New Zealand U-23s - Quali Whites

Are you on retainer for NZF yet?

Even though he's played for us at a senior level? Now that is a wormhole.

Edit: other people already brought this up, I should read to the end of the thread before commenting.

You have to wonder how Tommy Smith and Storm Roux are eligible to play for NZ if Deklan Wynne isn't.

An interesting question at the presser would have been: has NZF applied for a player exemption before?

Pretty sure that Tommy Smith got the green light from FIFA (NZF must have taken the situation more seriously as he'd represented England at age-group levels). Not sure about Roux.

FFS

surely we are getting to the point where something like please read this thread before commenting applies? This has been done to death in the thread

we did it, got away with it, so we thought we could assume it was legal type argument?

weak, man.

If any lawyer actually takes on this case, a compliant should be lodged with the law society that this is a frivolous case that was never going to succeed

And he /she was taking money from a dumb client

Oh, it's definitely weak, but desperate times and all that.

I believe that some countries grant citizenship based on owning property or residing in the country - as distinguished from "the permanent holding of the nationality of the country." They would lose that nationality if they moved overseas or sold their property in that country.

e.g. I was born in NZ and have NZ nationality. I would continue to do so even if I lived the rest of my life overseas.

Andrew Durante, now that he has NZ citizenship could up sticks and live overseas if he wanted and still retain his NZ citizenship. It doesn't matter that he acquired it through satisfying the five year residential rule.

Unless NZF have paperwork showing that this tournament was to be played under the eligibility rules for the Pacific Games and those rules are somehow different. If OFC acted in a way to make NZF think Wynne was eligible then we may still have a case. That is the only (tenuous) hope.

Settle. It;s a valid angle to keep in mind i.e. 'that has got to be crap'. It's an angle that interests me. I'm not sure that it works as some assume. So we start from the assumption that hundreds (thousands?) of kids who moved to a new country at age one day or greater are all ineligible to play for the country where they have adopted and resided for up to 22 or so years, and not before they are 23?  They must all apply for exemption? And FIFA intended for all of them to apply, and they have a big machine processing all of those applications? Debatable.

I think the moral of this sad hopeless story is that NZ football rather the  employing a high performance guy like Fred (I know where the bodies are burried) De Jong, should employ an immigration advisor

Not all kids, only those that have no natural connection to the country that they have moved to.

An how many of those kids would actually get to the point where they need to apply for this? Someone noted there were only 30-40 applications annually, we're not talking tens of thousands.

Which they intimated that they have, I think previously it was stated that the Pacific Games rules were for five years residency with no age restriction? 

But if we win on that technicality then its a lucky break for NZF because they would have fielded Wynn reguardless of the rules played under.

NZF are barking up the wrong tree in pursuing Article 6.

Wikipedia on FIFA player eligibility is good on Article 6  - clearly it applies only to players who have dual nationality due to birth:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FIFA_eligibility_rules#Nations_that_share_a_common_nationality

"There are 25 FIFA member associations that share a common nationality with at least one other FIFA member association.[28]

In these instances, under Article 6.1 of the Regulations Governing the Applications of Statutes, FIFA Statutes, (Nationality entitling Players to represent more than one Association), if a player was not born in the member associations' territory and does not have a parental or grand-parental blood relative that were born in the territory, the player is able to represent another member association that shares the same common nationality after two years residency."

Notes: "The exception to this are the 'Four British Associations' of England, Northern Ireland, Scotland and Wales. Together the four associations have decided that they do not want to offer eligibility to represent their national team after two years residency to otherwise-ineligible British players. (see Home nations 2009 agreement)"

They asked: "are you worried about the eligibility of other players?" and the answer was yes. So almost the same question.

Pacific Rules games required a valid passport and 5 years' residence (which Deklan meets). But the Olympic qualifying tournament is run under FIFA auspices, so standard FIFA regulations apply.

I guess a lot hinges on what OFC said to NZF at the time - from memory Andy Martin's original take on this was "Pacific Games Council said our players were eligible, and OFC didn't raise any ineligibility issues".

Don't worry Mainland. I think the YF Forum are pretty close to resolution. Maybe just another day or two we'll be there. haha

Seriously I think it's worth a discussion. Hell I, for example, have a couple of kids who are doing OK AND hold both NZ and a European country passport. We gotta know this stuff.

signed ... 'Optimistic'

He said they repeatedly requested clarity under which rules they played and intimiated that they were told it was played under pacific games rules, he also said they had correspondence to that effect.

I think it seems a bit ridiculous to all of us that this tournament would be played under Pacific Games rules when we are not in the Pacific Games. However, if the paperwork does say we were incorrectly told that Pacific Games rules would apply under OFC then it seems like we have an out. That doesn't excuse NZF's incompetence here in letting Wynne get so far in his career while he was clearly ineligible.

This whole thing does lend more credence to people saying the whole thing was a conspiracy. It seems doubts over Wynne's eligibility were well known amongst NZF. It would be easy for any disgruntled person to pass along that information as this seemed to be common knowledge amongst some administrators. I don't know who would do a thing like that and I still think there is a less sinister explanation but it is possible.

Where were your kids born? Where were you and their mother born? And where were the grandparents born?

Gotta reply on that one ... So all of 'em who've lived new country for maybe 10 maybe 22 years have no natural connection?

yeah, it is a new law.

Hey thanks Napier Phoenix. Was thinking same. Sharke and I've never even been near a Law paper.

New question for you.

If the laws are that ambiguous why did someone / anyone from NZF not ring 0800FIFA and ask for clarification?

I don't know. Maybe FIFA similar to IRD. Hesitant to give you a clear written 'all good' prior to the event, rather they prefer to wait until u get in the poo.

A field day for conspiracy theorists (and possibly for good reason).

The intent of the rules are quite clear.

Every country in the world is going to have different citizenship laws (some relatively tough like ours, some very lax like Saint Kits and Nevis and for that matter Vanuatu).

So to make sure there is no dodgy stuff going on  FIFA correctly made some very clear, very simple, very easy, yes and no answers if you possessed two passports

1: Born there - no

2: Parents born there - no

3: Grandparents born there - no

4: lived there for 5 years since the age of 18  (bitch of a rule for age group players, but a rules a rule - NO, NO, NO

What is so difficult for NZ football to figure out?

lol possibly intent according to Auckland Nix perspective. Plenty of comment here sees a bigger pic.

oh and by the way, if some poor guy, doesn't meet point number four, FIFA will gladly consider an exemption and apply some common sense for those who can be bothered applying

Did you apply you fudgein morans?

No, because we thought they would say no!!!

For fudges sake

If I knew who you were, I wouldn't employ you. What discipline of law do you specialise in?

TV One News about to do full coverage on the rules in the sports segnent