New Zealand U-23s - Quali Whites

What colour is the boat house at Hereford?

True, he is a man of words, but the message is the same. Just trying to keep it simple for you

Black and White

I would say it's 'a point'. Don't know if I'ld go so far as to say 'the key point'. Again plenty comment both here and now in media that realises that this is more messy than clear cut.       

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I am still very interested to know who tipped Vanuatu off??

A question on football fans minds would be - if we win the appeal - do we get to play Fiji, or will OFC say sorry about the misunderstanding but, we played the final - most fans would still like to get to Rio - wonder if there is a premise in football history for replaying a final with different teams?

Mei Chen to represent OFC. Seriously, I thought it was a joke. OFC lawyering up then. She doesn't come cheap. Having said that, pretty sure she does a few freebies from time to time hmmm maybe not this time. Size of OFC coffers? I've no idea.

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it's ok Napier 

good segment on TV3 - look on de Jong's face was something else...

Chen...

Now they're taking jobs from good honest kiwis??

I wonder where we could find one?

A good one I mean.

Because that is the anonymous donations line.

Isn't that 0800Banksie?

I really don't understand what is so difficult to understand - the rule is there to prevent countries handing over passports willy-nilly and artificially creating competitive teams.

FIFA realise that there are circumstances where players genuinely can't meet this requirement because of their age, and are willing to grant, and have been granting, exemptions to those who could demonstrate that they weren't breaking the spirit of the regulations.

All NZF had to do was apply for such an exemption - and they didn't, and have in fact publically stated they didn't. They rolled the dice, lost, and now it's someone else's fault? Puhhh-lease.

now we just need to do some research on the eligibility of every other player in these squads and see whether they were all born in their home nations. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Football_at_the_2015_Pacific_Games_–_Men%27s_team_squads

Hmmm

Maybe this has been covered but how did Vanuatu know about Wynne's situation and no one else did? Was there a tip off? A mole in NZF?

Adrian Mole

Kylie Mole

Kylie Minogue

Andrew Minogue

probably just went to his wikipedia page when researching before the semi.

It' not supposition, it is fact. The statute was changed in mid-2000s precisely to address the situation I outlined above.

Australia and USA (the latter this year!!!) have both applied for, and been granted exemption from that section for Ibini and Zelalem in the very recent past.

We did not ask for such an exemption, as Martin himself has said.

Where, exactly, is there a supposition in there?

You, on the other hand, are using the 'it can't possibly be true, it's not common sense' approach. Good luck with that in front of any Judge, anywhere in the world.

I really don't understand why u really don't understand what is so difficult to understand.

But can we NOW apply? Okay, we don't go to the Olympics, but at least we get to keep Wynne. 

Plus, are there other players involved here? No one has answered that. There are about four players born outside of NZ in that squad.

hmmm maybe have a read through the last few pages?

A nice reduction of the situation, from Gourdie.

http://www.3news.co.nz/sport/new-zealand-football-...

I can only assume you are typing this from jail Napier, if you have been in court for the last 40 years 

For your education:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/africa/35...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/7112767.s...

https://www.redsports.sg/2008/11/27/qiu-li-footbal...

http://www.espnfc.com.au/united-states/story/22680...

What? None of that is supposition.

We know Zelalem got an exception because we have media reports showing this. We know we did not ask for an exemption because we watched the press conference. How can you say that what the CEO of NZ Football says is supposition.

I've been thinking a bit more about this and in my opinion NZF have badly let their stakeholders down. In corporate terms, they've failed to maintain regulatory compliance. Even worse, they appear to have done so intentionally rather than through negligence. If what they've said is true then they knew they were potentially in the wrong in playing Wynne but they did it anyway (and if that's not true then why say it?). 

The appropriate thing to do if there was any doubt whatsoever about eligibility would have been to approach FIFA and ask them. Then your possible outcomes are either that he can play, or he can't. The possible downside is you lose a leftback who isn't even signed to a pro club. On the other hand, if you just play him anyway you risk being pulled up, finding out that you were wrong and dealing with the ensuing mess. 

We weren't challenged in a friendly, which isn't surprising because there's no reason to dig deeper, and any competitive match is too important to risk being awarded to the opposition because one of your team wasn't eligible. In my eyes, the damage from this is extreme in terms of NZF's reputation, and they've also robbed their players and fans of the Olympic dream. We're even more offside with OFC and FIFA than we were before too. And what about other players who might be eligible for NZ but haven't played yet - have NZF made themselves look like an organisation they would want to be associated with? Even if the amount of damage this does to NZF's reputation isn't as bad as I think, they need all the goodwill from potential players, the kiwi public, and the football world that they can get. As far as cost vs benefits go, not having Wynn would have seemed like a bargain compared to this clusterfudge. And it's not that hard to have seen that from the start.

To reiterate, the eligibility of players is NZF's responsibility. It's not FIFA's, it's not OFC's, it's not the players' themselves. If there was any doubt about any player's eligibility they should have approached FIFA. Even if they wriggle out of this on a technicality after a court case or two, that doesn't excuse a really stupid, unnecessary decision.

Seems cut and dried to me. Auckland Phoenix has nailed it.....

 FIFA have pointed  that it is up to Oceania federation to rule on this case. So.....the Oceania appeal committee will take all of....oh! say 30 seconds to rule against NZF. We are TOAST.

We could of course take it to the International Sports Court but they would almost certainly rule against us. Give up NZF. You stuffed up.

In the mean time how about someone with a brain(if any exist) in NZF take the simple step of applying for a FIFA  eligibility exemption for Wynn and any other player who does not have blood links to NZ. Its a realitively simple step and would clear up any ambiguity. In fact it should be standard practice for foreign born players who we want for NZ teams. 

Martin hinted that they had legal advise that said that if they had applied for an eligibility exemption for Wynn and failed then he might be the end of his chances to play for NZ. SORRY.....what? so you thought it was better just to cheat the system and hope you got away with it. I find that stunningly stupid.

And the worst thing is that that advice was wrong too - the worst case scenario would have been that FIFA declined the application for exemption (unlikely in itself) in which case Wynn just has to wait 3 more years and he meets the criteria under Section 7 anyway.

Ha ha ha!!!!  thats a very "legal" joke.   Congrats AP

unnecessary. unfunny. ANix why do you and one or two others feel it's necessary to shout louder than everyone else? If you have an opinion just say it. No need to tell us your stuff is 'fact'. We all think our sharke here is fact. Allow others to say how they see it. OK? Cool.

Ive been researching the subject for a while now and to me it seems like the OFC have stuffed up with their interpretation of the rules. (which seems like it would be quite easy to do)

6. Nationality entitling Players to represent more than one Association

1. A Player who, under the terms of art. 5, is eligible to represent more than one Association on account of his nationality, may play in an international match for one of these Associations only if, in addition to having the relevant nationality, he fulfils at least one of the following conditions:
a) He was born on the territory of the relevant Association;
b) His biological mother or biological father was born on the territory of the relevant Association;
c) His grandmother or grandfather was born on the territory of the relevant Association;
d) He has lived continuously on the territory of the relevant Association for at least two years.

http://www.fifa.com/mm/Document/AFFederation/Generic/02/58/14/48/2015FIFAStatutesEN_Neutral.pdf

They way I understand it is that the rule d) He has lived continuously for at least five years after reaching the age of 18 on the territory of the relevant Association. only applies "if he has acquired a new nationality" but deklan wynee is already eligible under article 6. 

Alex Zahavi has represented the Portugal under-17 national team in the 2007 UEFA European Under-17 Championship qualifying round (an official). He later represented Portugal U18 and U19 teams in friendly competitions. In October 2010, he represented US U-20 and scored in a friendly game versus Colombia

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FIFA_eligibility_rules#Youth_football

The key statement there is 'on account of his nationality'. Wynn's SA nationality does not allow him to represent NZ. That's why section 6 is not applicable, and why section 7 is (and hence why he's not eligible without an exemption).

Article 6 is confusing but as I read it it seems to be a reference to nationalities with more than one FIFA member - like US citizenship covering the US, Puerto Rico, and American Samoa, or to people born with multiple nationalities (which Zahavi might also fall under)