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NZ 5th place Play Off Home Game

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tigers wrote:
el grapadura wrote:
Yeah, but NZF will surely have in mind the crowd they got at RoF for the game against Vanuatu. And that was not good.  .....
 
the 'marketing' of that game was truly abysmal!
 
 
 
Don't worry next to zero marketing of the game in Auckland also. So it's an even horse race tigers.
I'm picking crowd number will be exactly equal to what the RoF got for Vanuatu.
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...but...but...but...the Shore... it's a hotbed of football... Hard News2008-09-09 12:01:15

How's my driving? - Whine here

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joachim wrote:

I admire the support for New Zealand Football present here; however I do not have any admiration for the self righteous attitudes present on here.

Good on you guys for supporting the Phoenix week in and week out, if I lived in Wellington I'd be right alongside you every week.
I don't feel you've earned the right to deprive the rest of the nation of any meaningful football fixtures. As has been said before, for these fixtures to be succesful (and the Nix ultimately) Football needs to appeal to the general public as opposed to just us hard cores.
 
With domestic airfares being at what seems an all time low due to this three way price war, it's not too much for me to say I'll be at this playoff game no matter which NZ city hosts it (I've even booked flights to see the Phoenix on the 28th of Nov)
 
Surely you guys can hitch a ride on your high horses to the airport for one playoff game?
 
How is wanting the game in Welly derpriving the NZ football public??? Havin it at NH is worse, the auckland public have shown nothing but ignorance when it comes to football, in fact any sporting matters, there is dropping crowds at all events. Wellington at least have a decent hardcore of football fans which is steadily increasing! Surely it would make more sense to have the RoF with 10k fans than 6/7k at NH.

Queenslander 3x a year.

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AllWhitebelievr wrote:
Location is probably not the real key as long as there is good organisation for the setting of the venue and date. I think that it should be better for us to play away first for a draw and then get the return game as the second leg of the playooff. Then the crowd will come with numbers for sure.


The first game is here, second away. Done deal.
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Regardless of where it is.....get there.  As I've said elsewhere....it MUST MUST MUST sellout.  Biggest game of football in NZ for 27 years.....
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porirua park would easily sell out
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joachim wrote:

I admire the support for New Zealand Football present here; however I do not have any admiration for the self righteous attitudes present on here.

Good on you guys for supporting the Phoenix week in and week out, if I lived in Wellington I'd be right alongside you every week.
I don't feel you've earned the right to deprive the rest of the nation of any meaningful football fixtures. As has been said before, for these fixtures to be succesful (and the Nix ultimately) Football needs to appeal to the general public as opposed to just us hard cores.
 
With domestic airfares being at what seems an all time low due to this three way price war, it's not too much for me to say I'll be at this playoff game no matter which NZ city hosts it (I've even booked flights to see the Phoenix on the 28th of Nov)
 
Surely you guys can hitch a ride on your high horses to the airport for one playoff game?


It's exactly that - ONE playoff game. If there were more then I'd outright insist on spreading them around. I'm pretty sure the plan for the OFC games was v. Fiji at NHS, v. Vanuatu at the RoF, and (as was rumoured before Winston screwed everything up) vs. New Caledonia at QE2,

So no matter what, by having the game at one location, you're depriving every other location. So it's best you make the most of what you have and making sure that one game is as successful as possible.

Westpac and Mount Smart (discounting NHS due to size) are about the same size if you add temporary seating to both, if not then Westpac is bigger. So you'd not really deprive anyone in terms of seats available. So it's best to have it in a location where it's more likely every one of those seats (or at least more of those seats) is taken. Which is obviously Wellington due to the track record of this regions support of football and football events - as well as our accessibility to the rest of the country (central location means less travel needed on the whole).

That being said, there will hopefully be other games. Get some home friendlies and tour the country. Have a friendly in Auckland, Hamilton, Christchurch, Dunedin etc...then the playoff in Wellington.

And FTR I'd go see the game even if it was held in Auckland. I just think it would be unwise for NZF to do so.
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I was more digging at the attitudes as opposed to the possible action.
Sure, Wellington might actually deserve the game, I'm not saying it doesn't. I'm just not convinced you have a divine right to it. You definelty have factors in your favour but the NZ Football needs to actually consider a few things.
 
I'm sure deep down you guys actually want to see football doing well up and down NZ, I do.
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Hard News wrote:
santy wrote:
Will Auckland organised a group of core suppoters like the White Noise... I think not.


To the left... since 1999.
 
To the left? Is that their group of supporters?

I say tackle him in the face.

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santy wrote:
Hard News wrote:
santy wrote:
Will Auckland organised a group of core suppoters like the White Noise... I think not.


To the left... since 1999.
 
To the left? Is that their group of supporters?
 
I think he's more referring to the location of 'Block 5' with relation to the halfway line. Don't ask me though, I always sat with the even smaller 'Block 23, Kingz Army'. Come to think of it though, we where to the left of halfway but on the otherside of the field.
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Brewer wrote:
tigers wrote:
el grapadura wrote:
Yeah, but NZF will surely have in mind the crowd they got at RoF for the game against Vanuatu. And that was not good.  .....
 
the 'marketing' of that game was truly abysmal!
 
 
 
Don't worry next to zero marketing of the game in Auckland also. So it's an even horse race tigers.
I'm picking crowd number will be exactly equal to what the RoF got for Vanuatu.
 
Yeah but at least you got pulling power of the likes of Ryan Nelson.

I say tackle him in the face.

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santy wrote:
Brewer wrote:
tigers wrote:
el grapadura wrote:
Yeah, but NZF will surely have in mind the crowd they got at RoF for the game against Vanuatu. And that was not good.  .....
 
the 'marketing' of that game was truly abysmal!
 
 
 
Don't worry next to zero marketing of the game in Auckland also. So it's an even horse race tigers.
I'm picking crowd number will be exactly equal to what the RoF got for Vanuatu.
 
Yeah but at least you got pulling power of the likes of Ryan Nelson.
 
Ryan Nelson won't pull any extra crowds if the only ones that know he's coming are outside Auckland! NZ Football need to market the hell out of this game, get the stadium full and make it happen. I honestly don't care where it is, I won't go if its ion auckland cos I can't get there, but I'll be stoked if the game is sold out win or lose!

Queenslander 3x a year.

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joachim wrote:
I was more digging at the attitudes as opposed to the possible action.
Sure, Wellington might actually deserve the game, I'm not saying it doesn't. I'm just not convinced you have a divine right to it. You definelty have factors in your favour but the NZ Football needs to actually consider a few things.
 
I'm sure deep down you guys actually want to see football doing well up and down NZ, I do.
 
You're exactly right.
 
I think peoples comments are more based around the fact we want the game down here,which is completely understandable,would be an epic game

Allegedly

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joachim wrote:
I was more digging at the attitudes as opposed to the possible action.
Sure, Wellington might actually deserve the game, I'm not saying it doesn't. I'm just not convinced you have a divine right to it. You definitely have factors in your favour but the NZ Football needs to actually consider a few things.
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Haha completely agree with you I never considered that having the Phoenix gives us automatic rights to hosting the All Whites, and disagree with those who do. We don't have a divine right for it.

I do feel it goes both ways though. Aucklanders often act like they have a divine right to host anything big - just look at the bid to have the Galaxy-Phoenix match last year at Eden Park, the way the Rugby World Cup is being promoted as "Auckland 2011" (or at least was last time I was up there - hopefully I'll have to correct myself when I get off the plane tonight!), and so forth. And Auckland definitely has factors in its favour as well - mainly the overwhelming population size.

Nobody should automatically get the right to host the playoff - Not Auckland purely for any divine right as our biggest city, nor Wellington for any divine right as home of the Phoenix. The host city needs multiple  It should go to the city that, after NZF takes everything into consideration, decides is the best fit.

Of course, Wellington is overwhelmingly the best fit IMHO, but that's neither here nor there

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I'm sure deep down you guys actually want to see football doing well up and down NZ, I do.


I might be half Aussie and originally from that side of the ditch, but when it comes to football I'm with ya there FORZA ALL WHITES!


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I think the game should be played in Auckland. In saying that I'll be there no matter where it is.
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The games will be on 14 & 18 November 2009 - I think. That's when the International Match Calendar has allowance for games and I think the AFC will have their 5th place playoff on 10 & 14 October.
 
The second leg will be on a Wednesday evening and mid-week kick-offs don't tend to do so well for crowds. It's certainly more difficult for anyone inclined to travel as they have to get time off work.
 
I hope Wellington gets the game, especially if it's a Wednesday game. Whilst I'm in Auckland this week, the chances are I won't get away from work in time to get to the game this week. According to Wises, it's nearly 20km from Auckland City to the Stadium. It's just over an hour by bus. With the site on which I'm working being in Papakura (another 35km-ish according to wises), I have to get away from work in time to travel over 50km. At least in Wellington, it's all central.
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after all that, odds are I'll be on my oe by november 2009.
 
Looks like I'll just have to see you all in South Africa in 2010!
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PSG55 wrote:
Whilst I would personally go for Wellington, for a variety of reasons, does anyone think that maybe Christchurch (just for argument's sake) would be a good place to hold the game? Could the QEII prove a good venue for such a game? As I remember, the All Whites got a decent crowd when they played Malaysia down there a couple of years back...
 
  You're on to it mate! Yep, the biggest turn-out for the All Whites since the 2001 World Cup qualifier against Australia at Westpac Stadium, Wellington (in a disappointingly half-full ground I seem to remember) was the 10,100 at QE II Stadium, Christchurch for the Malaysia friendly on 19/02/06. Remember, this was a nothing game involving a well below-strength All Whites with few overseas players (no Nelsen, Killen, Elliott, Oughton etc.)
 10,000 also turned out for the All Whites previous foray at QE II against Australia in 1995.
 By contrast only about 8000 attended the Malaysia game in Auckland, while a paltry 2500 went to the Vanuatu World Cup qualifier in Wellington. 
 As mentioned above, Auckland has a poor record of support for the All Whites since 1982- remember the pathetic 2000- odd that turned out to see the 1989 World Cup qualifier against Australia (a famous 2-0 victory that knocked Australia out of the World Cup) or the sparse 4000 at Ericsson for NZ's historic 2002 Oceania Nations Cup final win over Australia.
 On the evidence of previous attendances at friendlies, a meaningful All Whites game such as the World Cup playoff next year involving  a team captained by Canterbury's own  Premiership star Ryan Nelsen (who often features on the front page of the paper down here) could be expected to attract at least twice the number as a friendly, or 20,000. AMI Stadium (previously "Jade Stadium") with a capacity of more than 30,000 would be a more suitable venue and can host night games.
 So, surely Christchurch has already done enough in the way of supporting the All Whites to,  in Frank v.H's words, "stake a claim" or "seal the deal" regarding the World Cup playoff next year!!!
Christchurch must be hands-down favourite!!! NZ Football : book AMI Stadium now!!!!
 

Big Pete 65, Christchurch

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Big Pete 65 wrote:
PSG55 wrote:
Whilst I would personally go for Wellington, for a variety of reasons, does anyone think that maybe Christchurch (just for argument's sake) would be a good place to hold the game? Could the QEII prove a good venue for such a game? As I remember, the All Whites got a decent crowd when they played Malaysia down there a couple of years back...
 
  You're on to it mate! Yep, the biggest turn-out for the All Whites since the 2001 World Cup qualifier against Australia at Westpac Stadium, Wellington (in a disappointingly half-full ground I seem to remember) was the 10,100 at QE II Stadium, Christchurch for the Malaysia friendly on 19/02/06. Remember, this was a nothing game involving a well below-strength All Whites with few overseas players (no Nelsen, Killen, Elliott, Oughton etc.)
 10,000 also turned out for the All Whites previous foray at QE II against Australia in 1995.
 By contrast only about 8000 attended the Malaysia game in Auckland, while a paltry 2500 went to the Vanuatu World Cup qualifier in Wellington. 
 As mentioned above, Auckland has a poor record of support for the All Whites since 1982- remember the pathetic 2000- odd that turned out to see the 1989 World Cup qualifier against Australia (a famous 2-0 victory that knocked Australia out of the World Cup) or the sparse 4000 at Ericsson for NZ's historic 2002 Oceania Nations Cup final win over Australia.
 On the evidence of previous attendances at friendlies, a meaningful All Whites game such as the World Cup playoff next year involving  a team captained by Canterbury's own  Premiership star Ryan Nelsen (who often features on the front page of the paper down here) could be expected to attract at least twice the number as a friendly, or 20,000. AMI Stadium (previously "Jade Stadium") with a capacity of more than 30,000 would be a more suitable venue and can host night games.
 So, surely Christchurch has already done enough in the way of supporting the All Whites to,  in Frank v.H's words, "stake a claim" or "seal the deal" regarding the World Cup playoff next year!!!
Christchurch must be hands-down favourite!!! NZ Football : book AMI Stadium now!!!!
 


Isn't AMI missing a stand at the moment.  Will it be back up to capacity by then?

Regardless of where it is going to be played, the marketing needs to have started already.  There have been a couple of articles in the paper, but more is needed.

Time for some ballsy leadership.
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Ahh, all this thread was missing was a cantab wearing his red and black eye patch. Thank you for completing the thread and giving me a chance to quote Homer Simpson all in one post:
"Statistics can be used to prove anything Kent, forthteen percent of people know that"
 
Do you think Auckland and Wellington might muster quite large crowds if they'd been starved of football for ten years?
I know in the days before the Phoenix, Wellington mustered 19,000 for the Kings when a home game was give to Westpac Stadium. Why? Surely the fact that those in attendance knew they couldn't just go another time, might explain why the Phoenix haven't been able to match that figure without the help of Beckham manina.
 
Would you like a Rugby World Cup final with that?
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SiNZ wrote:
The second leg will be on a Wednesday evening and mid-week kick-offs don't tend to do so well for crowds. It's certainly more difficult for anyone inclined to travel as they have to get time off work.



As I keep saying, this game will be in Asia, so no need to worry about that...
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Hard News wrote:
No, to the left of my post... each and every post.

My avatar.


I don't get your bloc5 avatar any more, just a picture of a head.
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el grapadura wrote:
SiNZ wrote:
The second leg will be on a Wednesday evening and mid-week kick-offs don't tend to do so well for crowds. It's certainly more difficult for anyone inclined to travel as they have to get time off work.



As I keep saying, this game will be in Asia, so no need to worry about that...
 
How do you know that El G? I didn't think the legs were assigned in advance and were randomly drawn when the two nations are known - but I could be wrong.
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No, it's been done, first game is here.

EDIT: At least according to my trusty source who's rarely wrong on these things.el grapadura2008-09-10 10:31:13
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Radio Sport are doing there best to rally up a crowd for tonight. Just heard the CEO say Auckland are the favourites but tonight will have an effect. The more i think about it the more i think it would be the greatest road trip ever up to Auckland for the game, imagine 2 or 3 thousand of us descending on albany, would also make it easier and cheaper to fly to the asian game.
Would that also be a factor for the team, i know the flight from Auckland to welly is minimal but if they can get a direct flight out of Auckland and not from Welly to where they are going then surely it would be beneficial for the team as i presume they will fly out the morning after the game ( if el grads source is right)

www.kiwifromthecouch.blogspot.com

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bopman wrote:
The more i think about it the more i think it would be the greatest road trip ever up to Auckland for the game
 
 I'm thinking - student?
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After I said Nov14 & 18 2009, I see some sites are claiming Nov14 & 21 2009 for the Asia-Oceania playoff. As Nov 21 is not a FIFA international match date, unlike Nov 18, I'm not sure how accurate the 21st can be - surely it would be played within the FIFA Calendar?
 
El G - what's the source for the draw already being made for the assignment of the home & away legs? I tried to confirm, but can't find any official sources on-line.
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I've been doing the same thing, and also saw the confusion over the dates for the 2nd leg, but I think you're right with the 18 November date, it's FIFA date, and those kind of play-offs have operated on a 4-day turnaround in the past. Although the travel arrangements could be tricky depending on who the opponents are, so guess we'll see.

The source of information for the draw is a fairly reliable gentleman in the employ of the football federation of a certain European country whom I happen to know. I've tried to verify it on-line, but haven't been able to, but I've emailed him so hopefully he'll be able to straighten it out.
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I think he's more referring to the location of 'Block 5' with relation to the halfway line. Don't ask me though, I always sat with the even smaller 'Block 23, Kingz Army'. Come to think of it though, we where to the left of halfway but on the otherside of the field.
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Also known as "The Library"
nightz2008-09-10 18:50:21

A dog with a bone :)

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Despite pre sales of less than 500 tickets, North Harbour Stadium is expecting a big crowd for tonight's All Whites world cup football qualifier against New Caledonia.

I say tackle him in the face.

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santy wrote:
Despite pre sales of less than 500 tickets, North Harbour Stadium is expecting a big crowd for tonight's All Whites world cup football qualifier against New Caledonia.
 
 
straight of radio sport

I say tackle him in the face.

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My 2 cents:
 
Wasn't the AW vs Vanuatu at RoF on a Wednesday night? Which is complete bollocks. If it were on Fri sat or Sun would've been there for sure.
 
I also only found out about it by checking this website, how the hell was Joe Public suppose to know?
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Michael wrote:
My 2 cents:
 
Wasn't the AW vs Vanuatu at RoF on a Wednesday night? Which is complete bollocks. If it were on Fri sat or Sun would've been there for sure.
 
I also only found out about it by checking this website, how the hell was Joe Public suppose to know?
 
yes it was a Wednesday

Founder

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yep, with heaps more media coverage this week (due to qualifying for play-off and confed)  than prior to the Welly game
 
i also expect that Ryan N's presence would have added a quite a few to the crowd
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We can make all the excuses in the world, but we got 2.5k here and I'm still ashamed by that.

How's my driving? - Whine here

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6.5k officially tonight - not bad for a sh*t Wednesday night and sod all advertising.
 
Good to see Bevan and Chelsea Liz (i think) from Helengrad made the trip - they were welcomed with open arms to the Bloc 5.

Peoples Republik of Aucklandia

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HN for me the biggest problem wasn't the wednesday night, it was the 6pm kick off (so that Chris Killen, who didn't even end up playing, could get on an early flight back to Celtci).  That's just wrong for so many reasons...you just can't get there at 6! 
 
Excellent turn out though, excellent few days for NZ football as well.  2 good wins, 2 full strength teams...great stuff
james dean2008-09-10 22:53:57

Normo's coming home

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Regardless of what city hosts our play-off match I'll hopefully be heading there, but I don't think Wellington should be much ahead of the other cities in the race for it.

People continually talk about Auckland's abysmal crowds, but fact of the matter is their city has hosted two useless teams, and if the Phoenix were as bad as the teams they had then Phoenix crowds would probably drop to a low level as well.  It can be argued that crowds were still quite small for the Kingz even when they weren't doing badly, but that was the NSL and it was not as big a thing as the a-league is now, so that shouldn't detract from Auckland.

Wellington has a pro football team that has done reasonably well and they've had good crowds which is good, but as I said earlier, if the standard slipped to that of the Knights, crowds in Welly would be the same.  And we saw the crowd for the All Whites game against Vanuatu didn't we?  Simply shocking.  You can't count on support for the Phoenix carrying over for national games (the Vanuatu game being proof).

Christchurch had an All Whites game without Vicelich, Elliot, Killen, Nelsen, Moss (we had Nicholson in goal!) etc and we had a crowd in excess of 10 000.  We had two Phoenix matches and had crowds over 4 000 for each one, both games being in the pre-season (one only a friendly).

In all honesty Christchurch has a better record than any of the other cities, but as I said, regardless of where it is played I will hope to go along too it. loyalgunner2008-09-10 23:06:07
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