Soooo, their 19 year old winger plays in the American Top league and another player plays for Real Madrid??? I think we have definitely stepped it up and Bunge, Cleverly, Hassett in particular have shown they can compete with those players on their day. One tactic we have done several times from long balls to Wilkinson she has dropped it back to one of the mids. Good #9 target play. The more aggressive play and pressured approach today has made it a more even game for us today.
Honestly just gutted to be losing this. I know we've still got things to work on from this performance but it feels cruel to lose what has been a close game when we just want, something, anything to build off. Argentina goal looked offside and honestly our defence has dealt with them pretty easily this second half. So frustrating.
better performance by the Ferns, more chances created but Wilkenson's finishing is sharkehouse!! At least two open goal shots and she can't even get it close. Though Nayler did better, but she should have made contact with the scoring shot - which was offside! An improved performance but you have to ask why it wasnt here from the start and why the coach took so long to change things up.
Argentina were so much better at holding the ball in tight spaces. I can't believe it took them so long to play a decent ball in behind.
Let me guess at the post match "we weren't good enough..."
Well for a world cup squad they can pencil in Steinmetz,Bott,Riley,Bunge,Hassett,Foster, Chance and Neville. Just got to find 14 odd more.... I guess we can safely add Barry and Clegg to that list, so only 12 more needed. Plus a coach.
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That is the performance that we needed in the first game last week against Portugal. Whilst we had bunch of players out today, it shows that if they don’t play , then the fringe players didn’t result in a significant drop in performance. Foster, Neville, Collins looked ok at this level of game. So we should give more opportunities to those players that show promise. If we had ten games at this level each year I would much rather that than playing Usa, Canada, Australia etc who spank us. We created lots more half Chances often as a result of pressure getting turnover ball. Chance, Whinham type player as a ten would help with the quality of that final ball. If we could have converted one of the 3-4 really good opportunities that would have given a massive boost in confidence. That was probably the best I have seen Cleverly and Steinmetz play. Effective in and out of possession. Same as when the All Whites play a South American team I don’t expect them to be matching the opponents in technical skills. But raising their game as high as possible and doing as well as they can. Our passing accuracy wasn’t there today. And the goal they scored was a tinarse goal
1-0 loss with 35% possession at home. I think we are lucky the Argies played around with their team too.
At international level we have to score. I'm sorry but where are the goals coming from? Rennie could play the next 137 games for NZ and not score. Wilkinson is terrible and technically inept in front of goal. We are waiting for a set piece or a mistake/own goal from opposition.
Cleverley had a better game - she was at least looking for a killer pass when higher up. Foster did ok when on the pitch with some half decent deliveries.
Mikayla Moore has played her last game for NZ - gees i thought my week was going slow.
Coach clutching at straws in interview - sounded like she was celebrating a "good week" after a 1-0 loss - i guess that's where we at at right now. Sad times.
After thinking we could get 4 points from our WC Group.....i truly believe we will get 0.
Let's be honest. Up top we are tragically bad. They can't score. They can't create. They can't hold the ball up and bring the midfielders into the game. They can't press as a unit. But we keep going back to the same combination. Jale at least has technical ability and is more composed on the ball. Play her as a false nine and worth giving Clegg a go running off her. Can't be any worse.
Satchell has pace and nothing else, what does she actually offer. Her close control is non existant and she can't pass. Clegg surely offers more, and has a little pace as well.
Wilkinson did ok as a target and made some good runs. I do think she can score and showed that in the A League. I just think she, like the whole teams lacks confidence as a unit.
Still hoping the coach quits by the end of next week.
Her pace is an optical illusion. Maybe very harsh from myself but i fail to see how shes a pro player. Clegg all dayMetalLegNZ
Satchell has pace and nothing else, what does she actually offer. Her close control is non existant and she can't pass. Clegg surely offers more, and has a little pace as well.
Wilkinson did ok as a target and made some good runs. I do think she can score and showed that in the A League. I just think she, like the whole teams lacks confidence as a unit.
Still hoping the coach quits by the end of next week.
1-0 loss with 35% possession at home. I think we are lucky the Argies played around with their team too.
At international level we have to score. I'm sorry but where are the goals coming from? Rennie could play the next 137 games for NZ and not score. Wilkinson is terrible and technically inept in front of goal. We are waiting for a set piece or a mistake/own goal from opposition.
Cleverley had a better game - she was at least looking for a killer pass when higher up. Foster did ok when on the pitch with some half decent deliveries.
Mikayla Moore has played her last game for NZ - gees i thought my week was going slow.
Coach clutching at straws in interview - sounded like she was celebrating a "good week" after a 1-0 loss - i guess that's where we at at right now. Sad times.
After thinking we could get 4 points from our WC Group.....i truly believe we will get 0.
The Philippines tend to be pretty defensive against any higher ranked nation, I've seen a decent amount of their games. They're also just not very good, a decent way worse than us even (except with different circumstances, that's perfectly okay in their case). I think we will beat them 1-0 or draw 0-0. Both teams are horrific offensively.
1-0 loss with 35% possession at home. I think we are lucky the Argies played around with their team too.
At international level we have to score. I'm sorry but where are the goals coming from? Rennie could play the next 137 games for NZ and not score. Wilkinson is terrible and technically inept in front of goal. We are waiting for a set piece or a mistake/own goal from opposition.
Cleverley had a better game - she was at least looking for a killer pass when higher up. Foster did ok when on the pitch with some half decent deliveries.
Mikayla Moore has played her last game for NZ - gees i thought my week was going slow.
Coach clutching at straws in interview - sounded like she was celebrating a "good week" after a 1-0 loss - i guess that's where we at at right now. Sad times.
After thinking we could get 4 points from our WC Group.....i truly believe we will get 0.
The Philippines tend to be pretty defensive against any higher ranked nation, I've seen a decent amount of their games. They're also just not very good, a decent way worse than us even (except with different circumstances, that's perfectly okay in their case). I think we will beat them 1-0 or draw 0-0. Both teams are horrific offensively.
The Philippines are on the up, we were lucky to beat them 2-1 last year, I think they will most likely reverse that score. Roll on 2027 for our 1st senior WC win :-(
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Caught most of the 2nd half, Ferns verus Philppines game last year that was played somewhere Stateside. Yes was a poor quality tough watch. Not helped by being played at some suburban park in front of a few hundred folks.
If Ferns can't beat the Filipinos things really are dire. Though they have ex Matildas boss Alen Stajcic in charge, so they are likely another team improving. They have just played their own 3 game series in Spain. Narrow 1-0 (Wales) & 2-1 (Scotland) losses then a 5-0 drubbing from Iceland.
I'm not saying Clegg will be a saviour, but man I hope she gets picked for the April friendlies (likely in Europe apparently). Yes she's young, but she's a genuine footballer with a nose for goal. Nothing at all to lose by bringing her in for a look. Hopefully she's knocks in a few for the WahineNix, between now & then.
Well yet another loss at home. Anyone that thinks we'll get out of our group is delusional at this point.
Not one of those results are acceptable in my opinion, the coach must go. Klimkova has showen herself to be completely inept the entire time she's been in charge, bizarre selections, strange tactical choices and an inability to be pragmatic. It's time for someone new.
The problem is that who could we get? NZF have this ridiculous idea that they can only have a women in charge, thats insane and not pragmatic in the slightest. I'm sure there's better options in nz than Klimkova but they can't get picked due to being the wrong gender.
Things have to change now or else our big event of a home world cup is right down the sharkter.
Well yet another loss at home. Anyone that thinks we'll get out of our group is delusional at this point.
Not one of those results are acceptable in my opinion, the coach must go. Klimkova has showen herself to be completely inept the entire time she's been in charge, bizarre selections, strange tactical choices and an inability to be pragmatic. It's time for someone new.
The problem is that who could we get? NZF have this ridiculous idea that they can only have a women in charge, thats insane and not pragmatic in the slightest. I'm sure there's better options in nz than Klimkova but they can't get picked due to being the wrong gender.
Things have to change now or else our big event of a home world cup is right down the sharkter.
Yeah there is really not much defense (no pun intended), unlike the men the women always get top opposition and regular games against the best. It is not like they can point to inactivity as a reason.
Not good to see Wilkinson’s shooting in bits when we finally do create some chances. Hard to know if she is worth starting based on that. Good that we changed to look longer into our forwards. Like to see Foster starting - even if it is for her dead balls - but she is up against our captain I guess.
Well yet another loss at home. Anyone that thinks we'll get out of our group is delusional at this point.
Not one of those results are acceptable in my opinion, the coach must go. Klimkova has showen herself to be completely inept the entire time she's been in charge, bizarre selections, strange tactical choices and an inability to be pragmatic. It's time for someone new.
The problem is that who could we get? NZF have this ridiculous idea that they can only have a women in charge, thats insane and not pragmatic in the slightest. I'm sure there's better options in nz than Klimkova but they can't get picked due to being the wrong gender.
Things have to change now or else our big event of a home world cup is right down the sharkter.
Yeah there is really not much defense (no pun intended), unlike the men the women always get top opposition and regular games against the best. It is not like they can point to inactivity as a reason.
Precisely. And if playing regularly against good opposition hasn't made you a better footballer then I doubt there's much chance of ever being a good one.
Not good to see Wilkinson’s shooting in bits when we finally do create some chances. Hard to know if she is worth starting based on that. Good that we changed to look longer into our forwards. Like to see Foster starting - even if it is for her dead balls - but she is up against our captain I guess.
If Foster starts - as she should - then you'd put Tiley in the midfield as the defensive part of the three/four. Wilkinson has to be benched, she missed several sitters last night and hasnt shown anything close to the kind of shooting ability needed to win us games.
there must be some quality coaches on here with all the armchair experts taking shots at Jitka. You don't coach the US 20 women's team if you don't know what your doing, plus for local relevance a W-League title and minor premiership, alongside a 60% winning record for Canberra. Could it just be that we just are not that good, I for one will be happy if we break our duck and win one game at the World Cup.
1-0 loss with 35% possession at home. I think we are lucky the Argies played around with their team too.
At international level we have to score. I'm sorry but where are the goals coming from? Rennie could play the next 137 games for NZ and not score. Wilkinson is terrible and technically inept in front of goal. We are waiting for a set piece or a mistake/own goal from opposition.
Cleverley had a better game - she was at least looking for a killer pass when higher up. Foster did ok when on the pitch with some half decent deliveries.
Mikayla Moore has played her last game for NZ - gees i thought my week was going slow.
Coach clutching at straws in interview - sounded like she was celebrating a "good week" after a 1-0 loss - i guess that's where we at at right now. Sad times.
After thinking we could get 4 points from our WC Group.....i truly believe we will get 0.
The Philippines tend to be pretty defensive against any higher ranked nation, I've seen a decent amount of their games. They're also just not very good, a decent way worse than us even (except with different circumstances, that's perfectly okay in their case). I think we will beat them 1-0 or draw 0-0. Both teams are horrific offensively.
I have tickets for the NZ v Philippines game. Im well looking forward to it, now!
there must be some quality coaches on here with all the armchair experts taking shots at Jitka. You don't coach the US 20 women's team if you don't know what your doing, plus for local relevance a W-League title and minor premiership, alongside a 60% winning record for Canberra. Could it just be that we just are not that good, I for one will be happy if we break our duck and win one game at the World Cup.
Fans can be critics without being experts.
You're right we aren't that good. They should create a new role who's job is to make the team better. They could lead the direction for the trainers to help them get better. I suppose a good catch all term for that might be a "coach" of sorts.
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chopah
there must be some quality coaches on here with all the armchair experts taking shots at Jitka. You don't coach the US 20 women's team if you don't know what your doing, plus for local relevance a W-League title and minor premiership, alongside a 60% winning record for Canberra. Could it just be that we just are not that good, I for one will be happy if we break our duck and win one game at the World Cup.
Why can't people be critical of a terrible run of results? I don't understand. Jitka is an adult and should be treated like one. If you screwed up at your job would your boss keep saying "No worries wasn't as bad as the screw up you made last time, and the several times before that"? Is everyone just supposed to accept that the women's team are getting paid the same as the men and not held to the same level of accountability? Herbert lost his job, Hudson lost his job, Hay lost his job. Are we supposed to just pretend that they are not professionals and the coach is not a professional?
You said: "You don't coach the US 20 women's team if you don't know what your doing"
Well it looks like you can, this from Wikipedia:
"In February 2017, US Soccer reassigned Michelle French to be a full-time assistant coach for the senior women's national team,with Jitka Klimková replacing her as head coach in April 2017. The team finished runners-up in the 2018 CONCACAF Women's U-20 Championship. In the 2018 FIFA U-20 Women's World Cup, the team failed to progress from the group stage for the first time in history."
Then to your point: "plus for local relevance a W-League title and minor premiership, alongside a 60% winning record for Canberra."
This was a league that played 10 games. I think it is a good result indeed but a bit of stretch to say it is a formidable coaching record.
You also say: "Could it just be that we just are not that good".
It could be but we were beating Brazil as recently as 2016 so what happened? The coach picks the team. The coach comes up with the game plan. The coach gets results or develops the team for a new cycle or else they move on.
At what point in your view, does she get fired? After a poor world cup? What is the pass mark to keep her on till 2027? To win one game? I think any of us armchair critics would be quite happy to take a job where that is the measurement of success. It was thought Hay was on 250k per year, is the Women's coach getting equal pay? If so, how is winning one game against the Philippines a good return on this level of investment?
On the coaching front. 1. I haven't read anywhere that NZF has a policy that they can only select a womens coach for the womens national team. Some here seem to think thats the case. I'm not so sure 2. Across the ditch when the Matilda's were having a bad run of results. The media pundits and journos's were calling for Gustuvosen to be sacked. Klimkova was mentioned by many as a possible replacement among other names. Just pointing out that she is regarded in some circles as a decent coach.
there must be some quality coaches on here with all the armchair experts taking shots at Jitka. You don't coach the US 20 women's team if you don't know what your doing, plus for local relevance a W-League title and minor premiership, alongside a 60% winning record for Canberra. Could it just be that we just are not that good, I for one will be happy if we break our duck and win one game at the World Cup.
Fans can be critics without being experts.
You're right we aren't that good. They should create a new role who's job is to make the team better. They could lead the direction for the trainers to help them get better. I suppose a good catch all term for that might be a "coach" of sorts.
The reality of international coaching is you don't have the pitch time to fix lets say a Paige Satchell, you need a level of skill there and you can add tactical and motivational improvements. for me I saw an improvement in the tactical side between game 1 and 2, seems like she is doing her job to me.
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chopah
there must be some quality coaches on here with all the armchair experts taking shots at Jitka. You don't coach the US 20 women's team if you don't know what your doing, plus for local relevance a W-League title and minor premiership, alongside a 60% winning record for Canberra. Could it just be that we just are not that good, I for one will be happy if we break our duck and win one game at the World Cup.
I think one of the biggest concerns people have chopah is the culture of the group in which the Coach is ultimately responsible for. Perception was and still is that these girls get together for holiday camps! Only now that the pressure has come on she's trying to work more towards a high performance model. Pretty easy to sit back on a deck chair when you get given 6 year deal and leave it up to the girls to decide what's happening.
The stats don't lie - 3 wins from 24 games.
Sounds like we are now lowering expectations...so a win at the world cup is now a pass mark and Jitka gets a pat on back?? come on.
Bare minimum we should be getting out of our group at home. She has a huge challenge ahead of her due to what's been allowed to go on....it will tell us if she's a coach or not. But she said she's relying on two experienced players to return? Both coming off ACLs.......dreaming.
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Ted Striker
chopah
there must be some quality coaches on here with all the armchair experts taking shots at Jitka. You don't coach the US 20 women's team if you don't know what your doing, plus for local relevance a W-League title and minor premiership, alongside a 60% winning record for Canberra. Could it just be that we just are not that good, I for one will be happy if we break our duck and win one game at the World Cup.
Why can't people be critical of a terrible run of results? I don't understand. Jitka is an adult and should be treated like one. If you screwed up at your job would your boss keep saying "No worries wasn't as bad as the screw up you made last time, and the several times before that"? Is everyone just supposed to accept that the women's team are getting paid the same as the men and not held to the same level of accountability? Herbert lost his job, Hudson lost his job, Hay lost his job. Are we supposed to just pretend that they are not professionals and the coach is not a professional?
You said: "You don't coach the US 20 women's team if you don't know what your doing"
Well it looks like you can, this from Wikipedia:
"In February 2017, US Soccer reassigned Michelle French to be a full-time assistant coach for the senior women's national team,with Jitka Klimková replacing her as head coach in April 2017. The team finished runners-up in the 2018 CONCACAF Women's U-20 Championship. In the 2018 FIFA U-20 Women's World Cup, the team failed to progress from the group stage for the first time in history."
Then to your point: "plus for local relevance a W-League title and minor premiership, alongside a 60% winning record for Canberra."
This was a league that played 10 games. I think it is a good result indeed but a bit of stretch to say it is a formidable coaching record.
You also say: "Could it just be that we just are not that good".
It could be but we were beating Brazil as recently as 2016 so what happened? The coach picks the team. The coach comes up with the game plan. The coach gets results or develops the team for a new cycle or else they move on.
At what point in your view, does she get fired? After a poor world cup? What is the pass mark to keep her on till 2027? To win one game? I think any of us armchair critics would be quite happy to take a job where that is the measurement of success. It was thought Hay was on 250k per year, is the Women's coach getting equal pay? If so, how is winning one game against the Philippines a good return on this level of investment?
Firstly I never said people couldn't be critical, my point is I don't think any coaches within NZF's cost or influence range would be able to deliver much better. whoever was coach for this period was going to be faced with a rebuild of sorts, with some of the veteran ferns not really delivering consistently and the young brigade maybe not really ready for this level of competition yet.
You say as recently as 2016 - that's 7 years ago, that's an eternity in international football.
Results have been poor and Jitka needs to try and solve that - my point is she has had a lot of high profile appointments and is well respected in international football, but some (and maybe not yourself) people on here think since they watch a bit of football that she is hopeless.
and to answer the question I believe in the long term rebuild they are trying to do, so yes if they win one game (not done before) at the WC then I believe she should continue (if she wants to) to see out her contract.
also just picking out something else - you said her record at W-League was a good result but it's a stretch to say it's formidable - just pointing out I didn't ever say that.
there must be some quality coaches on here with all the armchair experts taking shots at Jitka. You don't coach the US 20 women's team if you don't know what your doing, plus for local relevance a W-League title and minor premiership, alongside a 60% winning record for Canberra. Could it just be that we just are not that good, I for one will be happy if we break our duck and win one game at the World Cup.
I think one of the biggest concerns people have chopah is the culture of the group in which the Coach is ultimately responsible for. Perception was and still is that these girls get together for holiday camps! Only now that the pressure has come on she's trying to work more towards a high performance model. Pretty easy to sit back on a deck chair when you get given 6 year deal and leave it up to the girls to decide what's happening.
The stats don't lie - 3 wins from 24 games.
Sounds like we are now lowering expectations...so a win at the world cup is now a pass mark and Jitka gets a pat on back?? come on.
Bare minimum we should be getting out of our group at home. She has a huge challenge ahead of her due to what's been allowed to go on....it will tell us if she's a coach or not. But she said she's relying on two experienced players to return? Both coming off ACLs.......dreaming.
This comment about culture might be your perception but it's not mine. You have just made a lot of assumptions about culture and ways of working on very little information.
I don't know about your expectations but for me it was first and foremost to win a game, if we can somehow get out the group then that's a bonus.
there must be some quality coaches on here with all the armchair experts taking shots at Jitka. You don't coach the US 20 women's team if you don't know what your doing, plus for local relevance a W-League title and minor premiership, alongside a 60% winning record for Canberra. Could it just be that we just are not that good, I for one will be happy if we break our duck and win one game at the World Cup.
I think one of the biggest concerns people have chopah is the culture of the group in which the Coach is ultimately responsible for. Perception was and still is that these girls get together for holiday camps! Only now that the pressure has come on she's trying to work more towards a high performance model. Pretty easy to sit back on a deck chair when you get given 6 year deal and leave it up to the girls to decide what's happening.
The stats don't lie - 3 wins from 24 games.
Sounds like we are now lowering expectations...so a win at the world cup is now a pass mark and Jitka gets a pat on back?? come on.
Bare minimum we should be getting out of our group at home. She has a huge challenge ahead of her due to what's been allowed to go on....it will tell us if she's a coach or not. But she said she's relying on two experienced players to return? Both coming off ACLs.......dreaming.
This comment about culture might be your perception but it's not mine. You have just made a lot of assumptions about culture and ways of working on very little information.
I don't know about your expectations but for me it was first and foremost to win a game, if we can somehow get out the group then that's a bonus.
chopah
Showtime Nixie
chopah
there must be some quality coaches on here with all the armchair experts taking shots at Jitka. You don't coach the US 20 women's team if you don't know what your doing, plus for local relevance a W-League title and minor premiership, alongside a 60% winning record for Canberra. Could it just be that we just are not that good, I for one will be happy if we break our duck and win one game at the World Cup.
I think one of the biggest concerns people have chopah is the culture of the group in which the Coach is ultimately responsible for. Perception was and still is that these girls get together for holiday camps! Only now that the pressure has come on she's trying to work more towards a high performance model. Pretty easy to sit back on a deck chair when you get given 6 year deal and leave it up to the girls to decide what's happening.
The stats don't lie - 3 wins from 24 games.
Sounds like we are now lowering expectations...so a win at the world cup is now a pass mark and Jitka gets a pat on back?? come on.
Bare minimum we should be getting out of our group at home. She has a huge challenge ahead of her due to what's been allowed to go on....it will tell us if she's a coach or not. But she said she's relying on two experienced players to return? Both coming off ACLs.......dreaming.
This comment about culture might be your perception but it's not mine. You have just made a lot of assumptions about culture and ways of working on very little information.
I don't know about your expectations but for me it was first and foremost to win a game, if we can somehow get out the group then that's a bonus.
That's the problem. Your idea of success is winning one game, for everone else here it's getting out of our group at a home world cup.
You couldn't call klimkovas results good could you? There's been no evidence of progress the entire time she's been in charge.
