Aloisi is in the hot seat for sure and for Ricki, fresh set of ears, he could provably achieve something with a new group of players. If he was smart......
can someone with more knowledge of football than me please tell me an example of great coaching from Ricki? I don't mean good results but good examples of awareness or tactics or whatever. That's not rhetorical; I'm curious.
Well I'm certainly not that. I don't get the impression Ricki is excessively technical.
Getting Paston and Brown to come and speak to the team? I think that Ricki's strength has been passable tactics and good motivation and cohesion and getting good players to step up and take responsibility.
I'm no fan of Glenn Moss- made some great saves, but isn't as confident about leaving his line and dominating the penalty area. As for organising the defence...well let's not go there. however I did like the look of Spoonley again when he stepped in for the 'nix.
His big failures were playing too direct in the islands and some odd odd selections in the midfield and some weak selections at the back. Otherwise I don't think his teams have been that bad. For all the James success Ricki is the coach who brought him back. I am surprised though that Howieson wasn't selected as he had been highly involved.
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Would love to see Ricki still coaching and in the A league with the Heart. Not the Jets though!! And besides I think that Van Egmond has had some success there in the last few games.
Ricki is and has been a successful coach. Those skills don't go overnight. Be great to see him get another coaching gig and I think the Heart might be a place where he could work some magic...
would really fire up games between Heart and the 'Nix!!
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I don't think Mr Herbert has a role in Aussie or NZ after this campaign if anyone is speaking to the players.
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=11160916
http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/football/9428638/Ricki-Herbert-lost-the-respect-of-the-players
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I don't think Mr Herbert has a role in Aussie or NZ after this campaign if anyone is speaking to the players.
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=11160916
http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/football/9428638/Ricki-Herbert-lost-the-respect-of-the-players
To be fair JD I don't believe anything Sam Worthington writes.
Also Smith just made the point that the team can't play hoof it football, which most know anyhow.
The pity is you can't actually comment on Worthington's shite, just to tell him what a nasty worthless scumbag he is.
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I don't think Mr Herbert has a role in Aussie or NZ after this campaign if anyone is speaking to the players.
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=11160916
http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/football/9428638/Ricki-Herbert-lost-the-respect-of-the-players
To be fair JD I don't believe anything Sam Worthington writes.
Also Smith just made the point that the team can't play hoof it football, which most know anyhow.
The pity is you can't actually comment on Worthington's shite, just to tell him what a nasty worthless scumbag he is.
Yeah I guess he is probably just making it all up. I mean it's all gone pretty well hasn't it??
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That's the kind of BS you want to stick a source on...Still think he has a lot to offer a team like the Heart...
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I don't think Mr Herbert has a role in Aussie or NZ after this campaign if anyone is speaking to the players.
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=11160916
http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/football/9428638/Ricki-Herbert-lost-the-respect-of-the-players
To be fair JD I don't believe anything Sam Worthington writes.
Also Smith just made the point that the team can't play hoof it football, which most know anyhow.
The pity is you can't actually comment on Worthington's shite, just to tell him what a nasty worthless scumbag he is.
Yeah I guess he is probably just making it all up. I mean it's all gone pretty well hasn't it??
Did you actually see how good Mexico are?
Surely you don't lay the failure to reach the World Cup solely at Herbert's door?
I actually thought we played some good football at home and have taken a lot of positives away from it, but Worthington's piece is vile and small minded. If anything he needs to look at himself regarding the state of professional football in this country - he never offers anything positive to say. Why would people try and follow football when all they read are the negatives?
I would have liked to have seen him talk about the good things about football in this country - but then it's not the kiwi way is it?
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The first article talking to Tommy is great. It's honest and I respect that.
The second needs sources. Granted you are not going to get them but that article is literally licence to print anything you like with out a source. I wonder if you ask Browny and Paston whom invited them, what they would say.
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Perception is reality.
People who defend Ricki cos they think he's being misrepresented in the media are kind of missing the point. A professional football manager is under media scrutiny at all times. Dealing with the media is part of the job now.
I like tautologies because I like them.
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The first article talking to Tommy is great. It's honest and I respect that.
The second needs sources. Granted you are not going to get them but that article is literally licence to print anything you like with out a source. I wonder if you ask Browny and Paston whom invited them, what they would say.
To steal the new favourite term of the pod, imagine the counterfactual on two of the things he is being critical of:
-Herbert sits down with team two days before the game and tells them this is the last one in charge - further evidence that his decision to retire and announce it before the game (like many were screaming for) was to make this last game all about him. Narcissist etc.. etc...
-Herbert sits down with team two days before the game and tells them this is the last one in charge - further evidence that his decision to retire and announce it before the game (like many were screaming for) was to make this last game all about him. Narcissist etc.. etc...
-Herbert ignores experienced former players outside the camp who are willing to speak and ignores Ryan Nelsen - Further evidence of Herbert's delusion and arrogance, unwilling to take any advice or outside opinion.
Obviously there are some disgruntled players in the camp, but I have trouble with Worthinton's credibility here.
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Perception is reality.
People who defend Ricki cos they think he's being misrepresented in the media are kind of missing the point. A professional football manager is under media scrutiny at all times. Dealing with the media is part of the job now.
And one way of dealing with the media is to defy them. If you are getting hostile crap printed about you the public doesn't actually want to see you sit back and accept it. They want to see a bit of passion. I do think that last piece, although interesting, is unfair. It would have been very worrying if he was still there but really did need a source. My gut feeling was that there was a little bit of truth and a whole load of embellishment. He is gone now so I don't see the point of it other than a journalist wanting to stick the boot in on the way out.
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It does seem like he needs to take a break though.
Basically 2013 has been the worst and most stressful year of his professional life, maybe his whole life. The strain does seem to showing a bit.
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It does seem like he needs to take a break though.
Basically 2013 has been the worst and most stressful year of his professional life, maybe his whole life. The strain does seem to showing a bit.
Absolutely. And for NZ football it is time for a change.
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I think it's interesting that after the first leg Ricki said his tactics wee spot on, and then Tommy Smith said the team sat too deep and was too defensive. Obviously have no idea what's gone on in the background but having the captain and coach contradicting each other in the media is not a good look.
People like Coldplay and voted for the Nazis. You can't trust people.
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in a touch of pure class from some of the locals, one of ricki's cars has been egged overnight #disgusted
The is unbelievable. He has resigned and gone. Let him be.
For once I agree with you, Jeff. Tell that to Sam freakin' Worthington, who never met a grave he didn't like to piss on.
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in a touch of pure class from some of the locals, one of ricki's cars has been egged overnight #disgusted
The is unbelievable. He has resigned and gone. Let him be.
For once I agree with you, Jeff. Tell that to Sam freakin' Worthington, who never met a grave he didn't like to piss on.
That is such a weak piece of journalism. None of the allegations are attributed. And Ricki isn't given a chance to respond.
The Dominion Post have long had an organisation-wide dislike for Ricki. I can understand some of it, but it's tragically unprofessional. It's such a shame to see a once-proud masthead like the Dominion/Evening Post reduced to what it is today.
If that story has a basis in fact, then make clear that you've spoken to players. You don't have to name them. And give Ricki an opportunity to respond. If he refuses, then print that he has refused. It's just so poor.
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in a touch of pure class from some of the locals, one of ricki's cars has been egged overnight #disgusted
The is unbelievable. He has resigned and gone. Let him be.
For once I agree with you, Jeff. Tell that to Sam freakin' Worthington, who never met a grave he didn't like to piss on.
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Incredible stamina. No shame. Yellow Fever.
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People who defend Ricki cos they think he's being misrepresented in the media are kind of missing the point.
The issue for me isn't the media itself. People like Worthington, Burgess, Tony Smith etc. are in it for page views and are only as good as their sources. The issue for me is that Ricki has been kicked for his stubbornness and mistakes (rightly) but never given the credit for his achievements. And I believe that this was due to the fact that a huge proportion of senior NZ football identities just don't like him, for whatever reason, and were - as the Brits say - "briefing against him" at every turn.
And I really have to tweak JV on this - the meme that "everything good in the 2010 and 2014 campaigns was done by the senior players and Ricki was a useless bystander" is a massively widespread one, here and in the football community. Worthington resurrects it in his latest column.
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If that story has a basis in fact, then make clear that you've spoken to players. You don't have to name them. And give Ricki an opportunity to respond. If he refuses, then print that he has refused. It's just so poor.
One of my favourite journalists is Tony Ortega, who covers Scientology and has the most hilarious insider info about it on his blog. This is a guy whom the Scientologists actually think is a brainwashed puppet of alien psychiatrists from a lifetime in a previous universe about 3 trillion years ago. But every time he brings up some new scandal about the cult, he rings them up and asks them politely for comment. They never give it, but that's what an honest journo does.
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They have tried to cover themselves using words like "Details are emerging" and "Fairfax Media understands that"
Someone get Paston on the phone and ask him straight up "Who invited you to camp, the players or Ricki?" That would pretty much put everything in context
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People who defend Ricki cos they think he's being misrepresented in the media are kind of missing the point.
The issue for me isn't the media itself. People like Worthington, Burgess, Tony Smith etc. are in it for page views and are only as good as their sources. The issue for me is that Ricki has been kicked for his stubbornness and mistakes (rightly) but never given the credit for his achievements. And I believe that this was due to the fact that a huge proportion of senior NZ football identities just don't like him, for whatever reason, and were - as the Brits say - "briefing against him" at every turn.
And I really have to tweak JV on this - the meme that "everything good in the 2010 and 2014 campaigns was done by the senior players and Ricki was a useless bystander" is a massively widespread one, here and in the football community. Worthington resurrects it in his latest column.
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what credit should he have been given Doloras? a knighthood? I don't understand what you mean.
I like tautologies because I like them.
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The Herald has shown over the past few weeks that you can still ask the same questions, but with more balance than what the Dom Post has done.
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My issue is Worthington has let, what appears to be, his personal dislike of Herbert cloud his writing. I don't think he has made it up us such but I'm not sure he has done his due diligence and is probably drawing some very long bows. Unfortunately I take everything he writes with a very large bucket of salt.
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Here are two relevant press guildlines, which for me, are not met.
1. Accuracy, Fairness and Balance
Publications should be bound at all times by accuracy, fairness and balance, and should not deliberately mislead or misinform readers by commission or omission. In articles of controversy or disagreement, a fair voice must be given to the opposition view.
Exceptions may apply for long-running issues where every side cannot reasonably be repeated on every occasion and in reportage of proceedings where balance is to be judged on a number of stories, rather than a single report.
4. Comment and Fact
A clear distinction should be drawn between factual information and comment or opinion. An article that is essentially comment or opinion should be clearly presented as such. Cartoons are understood to be opinion.
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Next there will be a photo of Ricki filling up his car at BP.
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get him on the podcast or better yet get some or find some players to refute the claims.
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These kind of things get written the world over especially in football so lets not be too sensitive about it IMO.
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Funny thing is I've spoken to Sam a bunch of times about footy and he's a pretty good bloke to chat to. Weird. I reckon it might be further up the chain than him that the problem lies.
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Funny thing is I've spoken to Sam a bunch of times about footy and he's a pretty good bloke to chat to. Weird. I reckon it might be further up the chain than him that the problem lies.
Possibly, but it will still be Worthington that writes the article.
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Funny thing is I've spoken to Sam a bunch of times about footy and he's a pretty good bloke to chat to. Weird. I reckon it might be further up the chain than him that the problem lies.
US Government? *fidgets*
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Perception is reality.
People who defend Ricki cos they think he's being misrepresented in the media are kind of missing the point. A professional football manager is under media scrutiny at all times. Dealing with the media is part of the job now.
And one way of dealing with the media is to defy them. If you are getting hostile crap printed about you the public doesn't actually want to see you sit back and accept it. They want to see a bit of passion. I do think that last piece, although interesting, is unfair. It would have been very worrying if he was still there but really did need a source. My gut feeling was that there was a little bit of truth and a whole load of embellishment. He is gone now so I don't see the point of it other than a journalist wanting to stick the boot in on the way out.
+1 Certainly I was happy to see him hit back at some of the BS. I mean the team hasn't been great, but the boo boys have been...well gleeful in their scuttlebut
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i think the article is poor
i believe that there is a significant element of truth to what worthington has said
but, it's all rumor. whether or not that deserves to end up in the papers is another thing.
rumors of this nature have been around for a long time about herbert and how he manages his players, but they never found the papers before.
the press no longer need him, so he's fair game i guess
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"Fair game" is a very tabloid measure Reginald.
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i believe that there is a significant element of truth to what worthington has said
but, it's all rumor. whether or not that deserves to end up in the papers is another thing.
rumors of this nature have been around for a long time about herbert and how he manages his players, but they never found the papers before.
This is very newsworthy in that it shows that there is dissent amongst the players in the management of the entire campaign. Couple that with the fairly strident calls for better preparation which reflects what a lot of people have been saying from the oustide about NZF's organisation and you have a fairly major case for change.
No-one is commenting on the fact that Ricki actually roasted the players fairly hard for their performance in Mexico at the time (a "non-valid performance"), which actually may not be particularly unfair, but then repeated that after the second leg. Oddly, those quotes didn't really make it into the NZ media other than in passing - which may reflect bias against Herbert - although blaming the players doesn't reflect that well on him either.
In essence this article could well be viewed as the players having their say back about the campaign i.e. don't blame us gov.
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