I thought this piece by Fred Woodcock was one of the most balanced Ricki obituaries I've read so far...
http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/football/9431794/Woodcock-Tale-of-two-World-Cups-for-Herbert
He acknowledges Ricki's successes and failures, strengths and weaknesses, without turning it into either hagiography or character assassination.
And he notes the recent rumour mongering by a fellow Fairfax journalist without over-playing the significance.
That's is a good write up by Fred. Him and Piney are really the only two Journos whose articles I read and go 'that's a good article' Michael Burgess is coming along.
Grumpy old bastard alert
That's is a good write up by Fred. Him and Piney are really the only two Journos whose articles I read and go 'that's a good article' Michael Burgess is coming along.
Ricki Herbert is a clueless man who had alot of luck on his side. I don't know1 person who has ever respected him including his 2 kids
See I look at your posts pav and you are just a troll. Now I could abuse you but I choose to pay you out with sarcasm purely because whomever you are (real or not) you are just a loser and its not actually worth my effort getting wound up over a burger flipper on an internet forum whose basic MO is "where is my next score coming from" (you can take that one anyway you like)
Abuse the man as a coach if you like, that's your issue but to get personal about a guy and his kids.... That says more about you than anything else.
Grumpy old bastard alert
"Phoenix till they lose"
Posting 97% bollox, 8% lies and 3.658% genuine opinion.
Genuine opinion: FTFFA
Brian Turner has also had enough of the Ricki-scapegoating shenanigans, and claims that Worthington's article told outright lies.
Brian Turner has also had enough of the Ricki-scapegoating shenanigans, and claims that Worthington's article told outright lies.
If you are old and wise you were probably young and stupid
Wait is that actually Pav? I thought it was just a troll account.
As i said indom post thread burgess has similar revelations without sources and we're ok with it?
Seems a tad unfair. Ppl are a bit blindsided by their distaste for the dom
Brian Turner has also had enough of the Ricki-scapegoating shenanigans, and claims that Worthington's article told outright lies.
As i said indom post thread burgess has similar revelations without sources and we're ok with it?
Seems a tad unfair. Ppl are a bit blindsided by their distaste for the dom
Grumpy old bastard alert
That's is a good write up by Fred. Him and Piney are really the only two Journos whose articles I read and go 'that's a good article' Michael Burgess is coming along.
Yeah, we're lucky Woodcock is now sports editor of the Press newspaper here in Christchurch. Guarantees good football coverage. Especially since Tony Smith is the senior sports journalist on the paper since some elderly rugby types retired a few years ago.
The Press has been a very football-friendly paper for a decade now going back to when Paul Thompson, a former national league player & All White was editor (I know he's disliked by many in Wellington but here he was good value and literally put football on the front page - Ryan Nelsen only had to sneeze to make it on the front page. All sorts of footballs stories made it to the front page).
Even mid-Canterbury paper the Ashburton Guardian has a football guy as editor - Dutch immigrant Coen Lammers, who was deputy editor, sports editor & sports & general reporter of the Press for a decade until this year, and originally a football reporter in the Netherlands. He told me once, the first New Zealander he'd ever heard of as a young football fan and reporter in the Netherlands, was Wynton Rufer who he saw play a few times. Lammers was a sports reporter 1991-1994 in Holland at the height of Wynton's career.
Here's an amusing story typifying how the old guard of rugby and league types were "eased out" of employment at the Press by the new guard of Lammers etc. amidst some strife: http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10481936
Big Pete 65, Christchurch
Stupid New Zealanders. The worlds most ugliest race
Are you:
(A) this kind of "Pav" :
(a bit "fruity")
(B) A "Pav" looking for a fight:
The pavlova food fight, it got messier…
(C) or this kind of "Pav":
"Vada pav" = a potato burger
"The Indian fast food burger that originated in Marathi cuisine, consisting of bread roll & potato fritter filling. Pav in Marathi means a small loaf of bread."
(D) the subject of the first Chapter of classic Russian novel "The Brothers Karamazov" by Dostoevsky:
Chapter 1 Fyodor Pavlovitch Karamazov ...Fyodor Pavlovitch Karamazov, a landowner well known in our district in his own day, and still remembered among us...For the present I will only say that this "landowner"- for so we used to call him, although he hardly spent a day of his life on his own estate- was a strange type, yet one pretty frequently to be met with, a type abject and vicious and at the same time senseless. But he was one of those senseless persons who are very well capable of looking after their worldly affairs, and, apparently, after nothing else. Fyodor Pavlovitch, for instance, began with next to nothing; his estate was of the smallest; he ran to dine at other men's tables, and fastened on them as a toady, yet at his death it appeared that he had a hundred thousand roubles in hard cash. At the same time, he was all his life one of the most senseless, fantastical fellows in the whole district. I repeat, it was not stupidity- the majority of these fantastical fellows are shrewd and intelligent enough- but just senselessness, and a peculiar national form of it..."Big Pete 65, Christchurch
Ricki Herbert: All Whites legacy ahead of second leg
Sunday, November 17, 2013
All Whites coach Ricki Herbert talks to Tony Veitch about the story that Ryan Nelsen and Simon Elliott ran the team in the 2010 World Cup campaign, what went wrong against Mexico, how he wants to be remembered and more
http://www.radiosport.co.nz/audio/1156849202-ricki-herbert--all-whites-legacy-ahead-of-second-leg
I know it relates more specifically to his time at the Phoenix than the All Whites but it's been nice to see Ernie Merrick sticking up for Ricki Herbert a couple of times in the last week:
http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/football/9650495/Ernie-Merrick-It-was-tricky-for-Ricki-Herbert
http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/football/9652165/Measured-Merrick-clears-the-air
Over the last few months I've noticed that both on this forum and in the media there seems to have been a gradual re-writing of the history of Ricki's time at the Phoenix . It is now quite common to see the entire Herbert era casually dismissed as "hoofball" or similar. The truth is that for the first four (maybe five) years of the Phoenix very few people had any real complaints about Ricki's management or the style of play because it was getting results and could also be quite entertaining (and yes JD, I know you have carried an irrational hatred of Ricki Herbert with you since birth but nobody likes a gloater OK?).
Anyway, it's been good to see Ernie attempt to redress that somewhat and it is pretty classy of him to do so.
I also still wouldn't be surprised to see Ricki pop up again next season in one of the A-league coaching jobs currently filled on an interim basis.
I know it relates more specifically to his time at the Phoenix than the All Whites but it's been nice to see Ernie Merrick sticking up for Ricki Herbert a couple of times in the last week:
http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/football/9650495/Ernie-Merrick-It-was-tricky-for-Ricki-Herbert
http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/football/9652165/Measured-Merrick-clears-the-air
Over the last few months I've noticed that both on this forum and in the media there seems to have been a gradual re-writing of the history of Ricki's time at the Phoenix . It is now quite common to see the entire Herbert era casually dismissed as "hoofball" or similar. The truth is that for the first four (maybe five) years of the Phoenix very few people had any real complaints about Ricki's management or the style of play because it was getting results and could also be quite entertaining (and yes JD, I know you have carried an irrational hatred of Ricki Herbert with you since birth but nobody likes a gloater OK?).
Anyway, it's been good to see Ernie attempt to redress that somewhat and it is pretty classy of him to do so.
I also still wouldn't be surprised to see Ricki pop up again next season in one of the A-league coaching jobs currently filled on an interim basis.
(and yes JD, I know you have carried an irrational hatred of Ricki Herbert with you since birth but nobody likes a gloater OK?).
