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Tanzania, Botswana, Italy friendlies

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almost 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
I just couldnt believe it, when shane score the first I was estatic, then when we scored again it was a real possibility that we could win. we should've, but thats football
 
we really deserved those 3 goals, we played bloody excellent and worked hard for 80 minutes.
our passing was clinical and for most of the game we marked well
 
 
bring on the confederations cup!
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I thought Mulligan played reasonably well but did he look a lot thinner to anyone else?  His face was gaunt.
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loyalgunner wrote:
Hopefully we can slaughter Iraq and South Africa.


Careful. It was a good result, no doubt about that, but Italy's defence was a shambles at times and they really struggled to get going. It's clear they underestimated NZ and nearly paid the price for it.

Iraq and South Africa will not make the same mistake and are both quality sides. I think NZ will find it much harder against those two teams and I don't think the word "slaughter" should be mentioned at all.
EvertonFC2009-06-11 11:18:37
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I don't think we'll slaughter either side really, but I daresay I wouldn't complain if that was the case.
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[QUOTE=AllWhitebelievr]I am still a tad worried about the fitness in the defence. Did well for the first 25 minutes but caught out by the angle cross to the opposite wings with wrong body orientation and position, a common defender lapse against this level.

Anyway a slight change in the defence for the Spain game? I would have Christie on the right back over Mulligan again because of the backtracking. Sigmund over Boyens for slightly better positional play, but fitness is a worry with Sigmund. Not sure Olds is up to it. Sigmund may even take Vicelich place next to Boyens. All I can say is that only Lochead is safe at left back. Quality overall work. Our best back in the game.

Still feel we haven't quite got the centre defence combo fitted, but they were solid on occasions. Just was caught napping a few times.

The quality that NZ displayed? Their clean, multidirectional and accurate pass selection made a difference to the ball serve to the strikers despite having an inferior possession%. Team formation shape in general play was at a higher level than I have seen.

I really think we can match Spain in the midfield now as they tend to leave the midfield open so we can attack through the centre of the field. Midfield centre defence has been correct most of the time. It's their midfield/wingers, that I am worried about. . . .

Oh and kudos to Simon Elliot in the defensive midfield, solid hard work much need. I hope he does not get injured. Brown put in the hard work also as well. Looking very good central midfield combo.
 
Brown played a lovely pass to Pirlo for their 4th it has to be said 
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Yugoboss wrote:
[QUOTE=AllWhitebelievr]I am still a tad worried about the fitness in the defence. Did well for the first 25 minutes but caught out by the angle cross to the opposite wings with wrong body orientation and position, a common defender lapse against this level.

Anyway a slight change in the defence for the Spain game? I would have Christie on the right back over Mulligan again because of the backtracking. Sigmund over Boyens for slightly better positional play, but fitness is a worry with Sigmund. Not sure Olds is up to it. Sigmund may even take Vicelich place next to Boyens. All I can say is that only Lochead is safe at left back. Quality overall work. Our best back in the game.

Still feel we haven't quite got the centre defence combo fitted, but they were solid on occasions. Just was caught napping a few times.

The quality that NZ displayed? Their clean, multidirectional and accurate pass selection made a difference to the ball serve to the strikers despite having an inferior possession%. Team formation shape in general play was at a higher level than I have seen.

I really think we can match Spain in the midfield now as they tend to leave the midfield open so we can attack through the centre of the field. Midfield centre defence has been correct most of the time. It's their midfield/wingers, that I am worried about. . . .

Oh and kudos to Simon Elliot in the defensive midfield, solid hard work much need. I hope he does not get injured. Brown put in the hard work also as well. Looking very good central midfield combo.
 
Brown played a lovely pass to Pirlo for their 4th it has to be said 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
us match spain in midfield...now that is the funniest thing Ive ever heard on this forum!!!
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almost 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
If I can be bothered I may put a picture of Amelia up on failblog.org.
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almost 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
loyalgunner wrote:
� And to answer someones question, the last time we scored three times against non-Oceanic opposition was in our 3-1 win over Georgia.


3-2 it was.

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el grapadura wrote:
loyalgunner wrote:
  And to answer someones question, the last time we scored three times against non-Oceanic opposition was in our 3-1 win over Georgia.


3-2 it was.



Nope, 3-1.

May 27 Georgia International Friendly, Altenkirchen (Germany) 3-1 (Vaughan Coveny 35, 53 Chris Killen 37)
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almost 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Ha, could have sworn it was 3-2. Never mind.

Why don't they have the game against Estonia on that site? The 1-1 draw? Or did I dream that as well?
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whitby fever wrote:
edward l wrote:
On that performance we could have drawn with Ryan Nielson at the back?


No we would have won. Most of their goals came from that weak point on the Right Back.

I have to say that hopefully this has envigorated Vicelich to stick around for the World Cup qualifier, because we need him. Here's hoping for the good confederation cup.


Bit harsh on Mulligan, the last two Italian goals were down to Brown.


Not harsh, just a discipline/concentration/position lapse. Mulligan on both occasion was pulled out of RB position into the centre when there was a centre defender sweeper already covering the man with the ball.

He needed to cover the man in his space, because there was no one else left in the line and there is always someone coming though there once in the box. It forces the centre defender to naturally adjust to accommodate a fellow defender when it was his (centre defender's) job to close the man with the ball down. Making two weak area unnecessary.[The centre defender has to close down and force the centre striker to shoot earlier and wide, we still have a keeper to shot stop, plus any re-bounds are covered by the wide backs] Position mistake in the box means no time to backtrack cover the space. Can't relied on anyone else to cover more ground than he would in the space given, no time.

But honestly he was actually doing well until those events. Fatigue added to his concentration and it became weaker in the second half. The defence line opened up at right back area.

If you watch Ryan Nelson play, he always cover the man in his space and leave the centre defence for the two players that are suppose to be there. He won't crowd the centre, There is really no need. Usually the defence outnumber the attack 4 to 3 with two centre defender to cover the middle at the last third in the box and the wide backs man to man against the wingers because of the limited space and time. Outside Ryan Nelson, we don't have a strong enough RB. Both Lochead and Mulligan are stronger on the LB rather than RB.

Not being harsh on him at all, It is very hard for a right boot right back. He is not alone in this. There is a natural drift movement to the left and he was up against an very quality attack. He will have the same problem against Spain but maybe not against South Africa or Iraq as much because he has improved at RB in this game, believe it or not.

What Ricki needs to do is to mark the time of when each player started to lose discipline due to fatigue in this game and be aware when to substitute them in the coming games. This is a larger concern to the coach in substitution. I understand Ricki not subbing early to extend the players match fitness and see where the players drop in fitness. This is a warm-up training session still, classified as a heavily session. Generally you have to very very pleased with their performance. The general energy of the team at a highly contestable level.

But no rest for the wicked . . . a massage session and rest with light carbs meals and then back into it a days later a light session, medium session and light session. Maintenance to keep energy up.
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almost 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Amazing. I'm so gutted I couldn't watch it but i'm proud of the boys!

a.haak

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almost 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

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exactly,
 
how the f**k did we put 3 past the eyeties?  whatever the reason - remarkable.
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almost 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
So awesome, I loved that game!!! I ecen had salmon and creme cheese at half time while we were 2-1 up!!! So good. Bring on Spain!

Botafogo - Rio de Janeiro and Wellington Phoenix, my two teams til death do us part.

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almost 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Yugoboss wrote:
Yugoboss wrote:
[QUOTE=AllWhitebelievr]I am still a tad worried about the fitness in the defence. Did well for the first 25 minutes but caught out by the angle cross to the opposite wings with wrong body orientation and position, a common defender lapse against this level. Anyway a slight change in the defence for the Spain game? I would have Christie on the right back over Mulligan again because of the backtracking. Sigmund over Boyens for slightly better positional play, but fitness is a worry with Sigmund. Not sure Olds is up to it. Sigmund may even take Vicelich place next to Boyens. All I can say is that only Lochead is safe at left back. Quality overall work. Our best back in the game. Still feel we haven't quite got the centre defence combo fitted, but they were solid on occasions. Just was caught napping a few times. The quality that NZ displayed? Their clean, multidirectional and accurate pass selection made a difference to the ball serve to the strikers despite having an inferior possession%. Team formation shape in general play was at a higher level than I have seen. I really think we can match Spain in the midfield now as they tend to leave the midfield open so we can attack through the centre of the field. Midfield centre defence has been correct most of the time. It's their midfield/wingers, that I am worried about. . . . Oh and kudos to Simon Elliot in the defensive midfield, solid hard work much need. I hope he does not get injured. Brown put in the hard work also as well. Looking very good central midfield combo.
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us match spain in midfield...now that is the funniest thing Ive ever heard on this forum!!!


Ok that was a bit hopeful. But we did keep the midfield quite tight in defence besides the Brown pass to Piro and our attack was half decent from the midfield. Usually we have no attack from the centre midfield and relied on our wide midfielder/wingers to get down the attacking third. Today we proven that we can have some control in the midfield. Which is where I mean we can drum up an attack from there. I didn't quite mean "Match" as in equal, i mean it as capable to do something rather than nothing.

Our wide midfield should let us down more. Can't see that being totally convincing as having an open playing style for Spain means more skills are on display on the wings with their centre midfield support those attacks rather than the other way around. They will drive the ball wide to attack down the wings and into the lateral back while we have to consider pushing the ball through the centre because of it rather switching it wing to wing on the counter. I am sure that would be the likely scenario.
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almost 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
I think my undoubted highlight of today will be when Midfielder comes on here tonight and claims that because we performed with credibility against Italy the EU are much less likely to slap tarrif on our dairy farmersbopman2009-06-11 12:51:35

www.kiwifromthecouch.blogspot.com

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bopman wrote:
I think my undoubted highlight of today will be when Midfielder comes on here tonight and claims that because we performed with credibility against Italy the EU are much less likely to slap subsidies on our dairy farmers
 
subsidy (also known as a subvention) is a form of financial assistance paid to a business or economic sector.
 
You might mean tariff?
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almost 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
^
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LOL.
Stevo2009-06-11 12:36:23
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After living here for almost seven years, that is easily the best performance I have seen from the All Whites. With Killen and Smeltz leading the attack, this could well be a year to remember for NZ footy.

Congratulations to Ricki and the boys. The World Champs were given a real fright and were lucky to scrape a victory.

Bring on the European Champs!

Kilmarnock FC - Scottish Premier League Champions 1965!

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almost 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Is there anywhere we can get our hands on a replay of the game?
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almost 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
We were 3-2 up against the world champions after an hour of play.
 
3-2.
 
Amazing.

Three for me, and two for them.

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almost 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
This will be big for us in Italy, it will have been seen by heaps


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Buffon II wrote:
We were 3-2 up against the world champions after an hour of play.
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Yeah that old guy Pirlo came on then helped create the last 3 goals plus Iaquinta (the in-form striker but sucks as a winger) came on and scores the last two goals. Two players that turn it around from the bench for Italy. Italians nearly didn't want Pirlo but Lippi thought otherwise. Now Pirlo looks like he's certain for the WC against the others that failed today accordingly to some of their forums talk.
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almost 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
What we really need are some All Whites supporters shirts.  The old "White Noise" is, well, old.
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hepatitis wrote:
This will be big for us in Italy, it will have been seen by heaps


This will do nothing for us in Italy, but it's probably ruined Amelia's international career.
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almost 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
The Football Blacks are back!!

There is something about that strip, it's magic
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Chelski Liz wrote:
What we really need are some All Whites supporters shirts.  The old "White Noise" is, well, old.


Oi you... if we weren't a shambles we'd have them.

How's my driving? - Whine here

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whitby fever wrote:
edward l wrote:
On that performance we could have drawn with Ryan Nielson at the back?


No we would have won. Most of their goals came from that weak point on the Right Back.

I have to say that hopefully this has envigorated Vicelich to stick around for the World Cup qualifier, because we need him. Here's hoping for the good confederation cup.


Bit harsh on Mulligan, the last two Italian goals were down to Brown.


Not harsh, just a discipline/concentration/position lapse. Mulligan on both occasion was pulled out of RB position into the centre when there was a centre defender sweeper already covering the man with the ball.

He needed to cover the man in his space, because there was no one else left in the line and there is always someone coming though there once in the box. It forces the centre defender to naturally adjust to accommodate a fellow defender when it was his (centre defender's) job to close the man with the ball down. Making two weak area unnecessary.[The centre defender has to close down and force the centre striker to shoot earlier and wide, we still have a keeper to shot stop, plus any re-bounds are covered by the wide backs] Position mistake in the box means no time to backtrack cover the space. Can't relied on anyone else to cover more ground than he would in the space given, no time.

But honestly he was actually doing well until those events. Fatigue added to his concentration and it became weaker in the second half. The defence line opened up at right back area.

If you watch Ryan Nelson play, he always cover the man in his space and leave the centre defence for the two players that are suppose to be there. He won't crowd the centre, There is really no need. Usually the defence outnumber the attack 4 to 3 with two centre defender to cover the middle at the last third in the box and the wide backs man to man against the wingers because of the limited space and time. Outside Ryan Nelson, we don't have a strong enough RB. Both Lochead and Mulligan are stronger on the LB rather than RB.

Not being harsh on him at all, It is very hard for a right boot right back. He is not alone in this. There is a natural drift movement to the left and he was up against an very quality attack. He will have the same problem against Spain but maybe not against South Africa or Iraq as much because he has improved at RB in this game, believe it or not.

What Ricki needs to do is to mark the time of when each player started to lose discipline due to fatigue in this game and be aware when to substitute them in the coming games. This is a larger concern to the coach in substitution. I understand Ricki not subbing early to extend the players match fitness and see where the players drop in fitness. This is a warm-up training session still, classified as a heavily session. Generally you have to very very pleased with their performance. The general energy of the team at a highly contestable level.

But no rest for the wicked . . . a massage session and rest with light carbs meals and then back into it a days later a light session, medium session and light session. Maintenance to keep energy up.


I can't say I have watched him much, but I thought Ryan Nelson was a Central Defender.
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Bones wrote:
whitby fever wrote:
edward l wrote:
On that performance we could have drawn with Ryan Nielson at the back?


No we would have won. Most of their goals came from that weak point on the Right Back.

I have to say that hopefully this has envigorated Vicelich to stick around for the World Cup qualifier, because we need him. Here's hoping for the good confederation cup.


Bit harsh on Mulligan, the last two Italian goals were down to Brown.


Not harsh, just a discipline/concentration/position lapse. Mulligan on both occasion was pulled out of RB position into the centre when there was a centre defender sweeper already covering the man with the ball.

He needed to cover the man in his space, because there was no one else left in the line and there is always someone coming though there once in the box. It forces the centre defender to naturally adjust to accommodate a fellow defender when it was his (centre defender's) job to close the man with the ball down. Making two weak area unnecessary.[The centre defender has to close down and force the centre striker to shoot earlier and wide, we still have a keeper to shot stop, plus any re-bounds are covered by the wide backs] Position mistake in the box means no time to backtrack cover the space. Can't relied on anyone else to cover more ground than he would in the space given, no time.

But honestly he was actually doing well until those events. Fatigue added to his concentration and it became weaker in the second half. The defence line opened up at right back area.

If you watch Ryan Nelson play, he always cover the man in his space and leave the centre defence for the two players that are suppose to be there. He won't crowd the centre, There is really no need. Usually the defence outnumber the attack 4 to 3 with two centre defender to cover the middle at the last third in the box and the wide backs man to man against the wingers because of the limited space and time. Outside Ryan Nelson, we don't have a strong enough RB. Both Lochead and Mulligan are stronger on the LB rather than RB.

Not being harsh on him at all, It is very hard for a right boot right back. He is not alone in this. There is a natural drift movement to the left and he was up against an very quality attack. He will have the same problem against Spain but maybe not against South Africa or Iraq as much because he has improved at RB in this game, believe it or not.

What Ricki needs to do is to mark the time of when each player started to lose discipline due to fatigue in this game and be aware when to substitute them in the coming games. This is a larger concern to the coach in substitution. I understand Ricki not subbing early to extend the players match fitness and see where the players drop in fitness. This is a warm-up training session still, classified as a heavily session. Generally you have to very very pleased with their performance. The general energy of the team at a highly contestable level.

But no rest for the wicked . . . a massage session and rest with light carbs meals and then back into it a days later a light session, medium session and light session. Maintenance to keep energy up.


I can't say I have watched him much, but I thought Ryan Nelson was a Central Defender.

How often does Mulligan play LB? In all the games he has played in his life it would surely be a low single figure %
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almost 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Mohamed Bin Hammam will be sh*tting his pants.
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almost 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Don't forget the FIFA Confed cup poll - we all know IRQ-NZL is the game to look forward to.  Hit that poll.

 
 

14/11/09

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If only there was an IRQ-USA match so the Iraqis could get one back.

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Arsenal wrote:
If only there was an IRQ-USA match so the Iraqis could get one back.
 
That would be alsum
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el grapadura wrote:
hepatitis wrote:
This will be big for us in Italy, it will have been seen by heaps


This will do nothing for us in Italy, but it's probably ruined Amelia's international career.
 
Not sure about the former (I suppose Italy are unlikely to have to care about us again for a long, long time) but your second point was spot on.  Possibly without the 'probably'. There will need to be some seven-star clean sheets to keep his career afloat.

14/11/09

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almost 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
I like the black strip!!
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almost 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
I'm still stoked lol

I really hope news can put this into context to show how well we fought rather than just   criticizing us for not holding out. Those set pieces were great and Brockie beating Pirlo was awesome. The fury will be happy about that


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almost 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Where is AusKiwi when you need to give him a serve.....
 
Well done to Ricki and his team, good luck for the Cup..
 
You little beaut...
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