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There have been several instances over the years where players with dual nationality have opted to choose another country over NZ, and to be honest the All Whites have recruited more of these than they have lost!

Archie Thompson is one of the more higher profile players in recent years having chosen to represent Australia instead of the country of his birth, while more recently we lost Tyler Boyd to the USA.

Playing Football Manager 2021 the other day I noticed that Chelsea defender Ben Chilwell was once eligible for New Zealand. Does anyone know the family connection or if he ever came close to playing for NZ?

Who else out there did we miss out on that would have made a real difference to the men's team?
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UK_ALLWHITE
There have been several instances over the years where players with dual nationality have opted to choose another country over NZ, and to be honest the All Whites have recruited more of these than they have lost!

Archie Thompson is one of the more higher profile players in recent years having chosen to represent Australia instead of the country of his birth, while more recently we lost Tyler Boyd to the USA.

Playing Football Manager 2021 the other day I noticed that Chelsea defender Ben Chilwell was once eligible for New Zealand. Does anyone know the family connection or if he ever came close to playing for NZ?

Who else out there did we miss out on that would have made a real difference to the men's team?
Ben Chilwell’s dad is a New Zealander and lived here until moving to England in 1993 (three years before Ben was born)
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carlind
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There have been several instances over the years where players with dual nationality have opted to choose another country over NZ, and to be honest the All Whites have recruited more of these than they have lost!

Archie Thompson is one of the more higher profile players in recent years having chosen to represent Australia instead of the country of his birth, while more recently we lost Tyler Boyd to the USA.

Playing Football Manager 2021 the other day I noticed that Chelsea defender Ben Chilwell was once eligible for New Zealand. Does anyone know the family connection or if he ever came close to playing for NZ?

Who else out there did we miss out on that would have made a real difference to the men's team?
Ben Chilwell’s dad is a New Zealander and lived here until moving to England in 1993 (three years before Ben was born)

I wonder if NZ made any contact before his England u18 debut? 
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There have been several instances over the years where players with dual nationality have opted to choose another country over NZ, and to be honest the All Whites have recruited more of these than they have lost!

Archie Thompson is one of the more higher profile players in recent years having chosen to represent Australia instead of the country of his birth, while more recently we lost Tyler Boyd to the USA.

Playing Football Manager 2021 the other day I noticed that Chelsea defender Ben Chilwell was once eligible for New Zealand. Does anyone know the family connection or if he ever came close to playing for NZ?

Who else out there did we miss out on that would have made a real difference to the men's team?
Ben Chilwell’s dad is a New Zealander and lived here until moving to England in 1993 (three years before Ben was born)

I wonder if NZ made any contact before his England u18 debut? 

I doubt that NZF even knew of his existence.
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carlind
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There have been several instances over the years where players with dual nationality have opted to choose another country over NZ, and to be honest the All Whites have recruited more of these than they have lost!

Archie Thompson is one of the more higher profile players in recent years having chosen to represent Australia instead of the country of his birth, while more recently we lost Tyler Boyd to the USA.

Playing Football Manager 2021 the other day I noticed that Chelsea defender Ben Chilwell was once eligible for New Zealand. Does anyone know the family connection or if he ever came close to playing for NZ?

Who else out there did we miss out on that would have made a real difference to the men's team?
Ben Chilwell’s dad is a New Zealander and lived here until moving to England in 1993 (three years before Ben was born)

I wonder if NZ made any contact before his England u18 debut? 

I doubt that NZF even knew of his existence.
From my knowledge, NZF knew about this around 2015 when Ben Chilwell's dad approached NZF. 

Anthony Hudson was keen to call him up, but from my understanding there were no All Whites games (Was between Myanmar and Oman I believe) and when the opportunity came to call Ben up, England had already called him up. 

NZF knew about this, so I wouldn't call them out...
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I've always wanted to know who was eligible for NZ but never actually played for NZ (Either played for another nation or just didn't play for any nation at all).

I really wanted to know if that Southampton FC prank that showcased Ricki Lambert being eligible for NZ was ever actually true...was he? Or just a yarn?

There was a guy born in Wellington called Levi Hanssen who moved to the Faroe Islands and ended being pro there and played for Faroe Islands national team, but I doubt he would fit in with the All Whites. Another one like Levi, Shay Spitz who played in Hong Kong was USA born but had a kiwi mother and the dodgy eligibility status of Ben Van Den Broek.

A few others to mention were the debated Nuno Coelho who everyone thought was eligible (Wasn't actually sure if he was). Ben McKendry who has a kiwi mother, but opted to play for Canada instead. Liam Jordan, another pro footballer who wants to represent South Africa and honour his father.

Michael Fitzgerald (Gave up NZ Passport) and Tyler Boyd (Opted for USA) being players who made an All Whites appearance and then decided elsewhere.

There was that german kid Dominick Traunmuller who was with the Bayern Munich U19s and then trialled for the Phoenix and didn't make the cut.

Kwabena Appiah-Kubi in the A-League never actually got a call up. Mitch Cooper was rumoured as a kiwi, but I wasn't sure if that was legit, same with Devante Clut. Everyone's also keeping tabs on Joe Champness who is currently with Australia U-23 (I think?) but also eligible for NZ and the Philippines.

When I was doing my research on Shay Spitz (Mentioned above) I found a 24 year old kid in Hong Kong called Matt Orr (Who plays for Kitchee). Don't know what the standard is in Hong Kong, nor if it's worth a call up. Didn't even know he existed.

If you wanted to mention Jack Van Luijken you could, but he seems pretty set on playing for the Netherlands.

Michael Den Heijer is one that rejected the possibility of playing for NZ.

I've also found a kid in Switzerland called Nils Winistorfer at BSC Old Boys. Never heard of him.

But also Khair Jones is a kiwi playing for Malaysia. 

I think this is my list though? Could be more.




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CactusJones
I've always wanted to know who was eligible for NZ but never actually played for NZ (Either played for another nation or just didn't play for any nation at all).

I really wanted to know if that Southampton FC prank that showcased Ricki Lambert being eligible for NZ was ever actually true...was he? Or just a yarn?

There was a guy born in Wellington called Levi Hanssen who moved to the Faroe Islands and ended being pro there and played for Faroe Islands national team, but I doubt he would fit in with the All Whites. Another one like Levi, Shay Spitz who played in Hong Kong was USA born but had a kiwi mother and the dodgy eligibility status of Ben Van Den Broek.

A few others to mention were the debated Nuno Coelho who everyone thought was eligible (Wasn't actually sure if he was). Ben McKendry who has a kiwi mother, but opted to play for Canada instead. Liam Jordan, another pro footballer who wants to represent South Africa and honour his father.

Michael Fitzgerald (Gave up NZ Passport) and Tyler Boyd (Opted for USA) being players who made an All Whites appearance and then decided elsewhere.

There was that german kid Dominick Traunmuller who was with the Bayern Munich U19s and then trialled for the Phoenix and didn't make the cut.

Kwabena Appiah-Kubi in the A-League never actually got a call up. Mitch Cooper was rumoured as a kiwi, but I wasn't sure if that was legit, same with Devante Clut. Everyone's also keeping tabs on Joe Champness who is currently with Australia U-23 (I think?) but also eligible for NZ and the Philippines.

When I was doing my research on Shay Spitz (Mentioned above) I found a 24 year old kid in Hong Kong called Matt Orr (Who plays for Kitchee). Don't know what the standard is in Hong Kong, nor if it's worth a call up. Didn't even know he existed.

If you wanted to mention Jack Van Luijken you could, but he seems pretty set on playing for the Netherlands.

Michael Den Heijer is one that rejected the possibility of playing for NZ.

I've also found a kid in Switzerland called Nils Winistorfer at BSC Old Boys. Never heard of him.

But also Khair Jones is a kiwi playing for Malaysia. 

I think this is my list though? Could be more.




Did Den Heijer really reject playing for New Zealand or was it the other way around. No disrespect to him but a guy who was at best benching for NEC Nijmegen in the Dutch second tier at 22 or so is going to require nothing short of a miracle meteoric rise to make a Dutch (assuming that would be the second nationality and reason for rejecting NZ) national team. He’s now apparently at Auckland United but I would argue he would have been lucky to even ever make a New Zealand senior national side 
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carlind
CactusJones
I've always wanted to know who was eligible for NZ but never actually played for NZ (Either played for another nation or just didn't play for any nation at all).

I really wanted to know if that Southampton FC prank that showcased Ricki Lambert being eligible for NZ was ever actually true...was he? Or just a yarn?

There was a guy born in Wellington called Levi Hanssen who moved to the Faroe Islands and ended being pro there and played for Faroe Islands national team, but I doubt he would fit in with the All Whites. Another one like Levi, Shay Spitz who played in Hong Kong was USA born but had a kiwi mother and the dodgy eligibility status of Ben Van Den Broek.

A few others to mention were the debated Nuno Coelho who everyone thought was eligible (Wasn't actually sure if he was). Ben McKendry who has a kiwi mother, but opted to play for Canada instead. Liam Jordan, another pro footballer who wants to represent South Africa and honour his father.

Michael Fitzgerald (Gave up NZ Passport) and Tyler Boyd (Opted for USA) being players who made an All Whites appearance and then decided elsewhere.

There was that german kid Dominick Traunmuller who was with the Bayern Munich U19s and then trialled for the Phoenix and didn't make the cut.

Kwabena Appiah-Kubi in the A-League never actually got a call up. Mitch Cooper was rumoured as a kiwi, but I wasn't sure if that was legit, same with Devante Clut. Everyone's also keeping tabs on Joe Champness who is currently with Australia U-23 (I think?) but also eligible for NZ and the Philippines.

When I was doing my research on Shay Spitz (Mentioned above) I found a 24 year old kid in Hong Kong called Matt Orr (Who plays for Kitchee). Don't know what the standard is in Hong Kong, nor if it's worth a call up. Didn't even know he existed.

If you wanted to mention Jack Van Luijken you could, but he seems pretty set on playing for the Netherlands.

Michael Den Heijer is one that rejected the possibility of playing for NZ.

I've also found a kid in Switzerland called Nils Winistorfer at BSC Old Boys. Never heard of him.

But also Khair Jones is a kiwi playing for Malaysia. 

I think this is my list though? Could be more.




Did Den Heijer really reject playing for New Zealand or was it the other way around. No disrespect to him but a guy who was at best benching for NEC Nijmegen in the Dutch second tier at 22 or so is going to require nothing short of a miracle meteoric rise to make a Dutch (assuming that would be the second nationality and reason for rejecting NZ) national team. He’s now apparently at Auckland United but I would argue he would have been lucky to even ever make a New Zealand senior national side 
From What I know, he rejected playing for the U-20s in 2015 because it didn't suit his style of play. Then I never saw him again. 
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https://theniche-cache.com/football/2017/9/17/michael-den-heijer-vs-el-niche-cache
The Japan experience was fantastic for developing the technical and football intelligence part of my game. I returned to NZ in preparation for the Under 20 World Cup where I played about half a dozen games for the NZ U20 side in the lead up to the tournament but settling back into the NZ football style after being in Japan didn’t go well and I pulled out of the Under 20 squad.

From memory he thought the U20 environment was not helpful to his development as a professional. Gutsy call. Bazeley may have been the coach at the time??

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I've always wanted to know who was eligible for NZ but never actually played for NZ (Either played for another nation or just didn't play for any nation at all).

I really wanted to know if that Southampton FC prank that showcased Ricki Lambert being eligible for NZ was ever actually true...was he? Or just a yarn?

There was a guy born in Wellington called Levi Hanssen who moved to the Faroe Islands and ended being pro there and played for Faroe Islands national team, but I doubt he would fit in with the All Whites. Another one like Levi, Shay Spitz who played in Hong Kong was USA born but had a kiwi mother and the dodgy eligibility status of Ben Van Den Broek.

A few others to mention were the debated Nuno Coelho who everyone thought was eligible (Wasn't actually sure if he was). Ben McKendry who has a kiwi mother, but opted to play for Canada instead. Liam Jordan, another pro footballer who wants to represent South Africa and honour his father.

Michael Fitzgerald (Gave up NZ Passport) and Tyler Boyd (Opted for USA) being players who made an All Whites appearance and then decided elsewhere.

There was that german kid Dominick Traunmuller who was with the Bayern Munich U19s and then trialled for the Phoenix and didn't make the cut.

Kwabena Appiah-Kubi in the A-League never actually got a call up. Mitch Cooper was rumoured as a kiwi, but I wasn't sure if that was legit, same with Devante Clut. Everyone's also keeping tabs on Joe Champness who is currently with Australia U-23 (I think?) but also eligible for NZ and the Philippines.

When I was doing my research on Shay Spitz (Mentioned above) I found a 24 year old kid in Hong Kong called Matt Orr (Who plays for Kitchee). Don't know what the standard is in Hong Kong, nor if it's worth a call up. Didn't even know he existed.

If you wanted to mention Jack Van Luijken you could, but he seems pretty set on playing for the Netherlands.

Michael Den Heijer is one that rejected the possibility of playing for NZ.

I've also found a kid in Switzerland called Nils Winistorfer at BSC Old Boys. Never heard of him.

But also Khair Jones is a kiwi playing for Malaysia. 

I think this is my list though? Could be more.





Another debatable one is Lee Ho-Jae, 20 year old striker for Pohang Steelers in the K-League. Made three league appearances so far this season. Played for Onehunga for a fair bit while his dad (ex-South Korea international Lee Ki-Hyung) was playing for Auckland City, and stayed to finish intermediate school. Was definitely here for more than five years, but unsure if he obtained citizenship. Been called up for South Korea's U21 and U22 squads in the past.
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coochiee
https://theniche-cache.com/football/2017/9/17/michael-den-heijer-vs-el-niche-cache
The Japan experience was fantastic for developing the technical and football intelligence part of my game. I returned to NZ in preparation for the Under 20 World Cup where I played about half a dozen games for the NZ U20 side in the lead up to the tournament but settling back into the NZ football style after being in Japan didn’t go well and I pulled out of the Under 20 squad.

From memory he thought the U20 environment was not helpful to his development as a professional. Gutsy call. Bazeley may have been the coach at the time??


Yeah Bazeley coach at time so probably good decision...
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Ricki Lambert for the AW's?

https://youtu.be/YnQWdeSO-Xw

Nope, this was an april fool's prank from a while back.
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YoungHeart
Ricki Lambert for the AW's?

https://youtu.be/YnQWdeSO-Xw

Nope, this was an april fool's prank from a while back.
Yeah mate - was more asking if he actually at kiwi heritage. 

But all good! Enjoyed the prank but it disappointed me big time haha
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Were there not also a couple Icelandic players from 15 odd years ago eligible for NZ?  

Born there but with kiwi dads who went there to fish in the 70s
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Tottenhams Son Heung-Min spent a small amount of his childhood in NZ improving his English without being spotted by Fencibles Utd.  I have seen various reports that it was 3 months https://peoplepill.com/people/son-heung-min/ or as much as 6 years https://www.reddit.com/r/Aleague/comments/gdmbyr/til_heungmin_son_grew_up_in_new_zealand/.  I suspect it was closer to the small amount
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Marto
Were there not also a couple Icelandic players from 15 odd years ago eligible for NZ?  

Born there but with kiwi dads who went there to fish in the 70s
 Do tell! Anymore info?
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Marto
Were there not also a couple Icelandic players from 15 odd years ago eligible for NZ?  

Born there but with kiwi dads who went there to fish in the 70s
 Do tell! Anymore info?


I think was first noticed via FM back in the early 00s.  A bit of research showed a few players there had kiwi ancestry as above.  Not sure they were all that great though.  Have googled for them but brought up a blank.  A copy of FM2004-6 might have the answers!
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Marto
Were there not also a couple Icelandic players from 15 odd years ago eligible for NZ?  

Born there but with kiwi dads who went there to fish in the 70s
 Do tell! Anymore info?


I think was first noticed via FM back in the early 00s.  A bit of research showed a few players there had kiwi ancestry as above.  Not sure they were all that great though.  Have googled for them but brought up a blank.  A copy of FM2004-6 might have the answers!

Well if any of these half Kiwis took their dad's surnames, they shouldn't be hard to find.

Alfons Sampsted the only 'son' less exception, in the current national Icelandic squad.
https://us.soccerway.com/teams/iceland/iceland/1143/

Not many Smiths or Browns in Iceland. One of the most racially homogenous countries in Europe, if not the world.
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Marto
Were there not also a couple Icelandic players from 15 odd years ago eligible for NZ?  

Born there but with kiwi dads who went there to fish in the 70s
 Do tell! Anymore info?


I think was first noticed via FM back in the early 00s.  A bit of research showed a few players there had kiwi ancestry as above.  Not sure they were all that great though.  Have googled for them but brought up a blank.  A copy of FM2004-6 might have the answers!

Well if any of these half Kiwis took their dad's surnames, they shouldn't be hard to find.

Alfons Sampsted the only 'son' less exception, in the current national Icelandic squad.
https://us.soccerway.com/teams/iceland/iceland/1143/

Not many Smiths or Browns in Iceland. One of the most racially homogenous countries in Europe, if not the world.

yeah but Icelandic names don't work like ours in that they don't neccessarilly follow the father, the sson is for those that take their fathers name while dottir is for those that take their mothers name and there is also bur which means child of.
also anyone born in Iceland has to get any new names approved by the Icelandic naming committee hence no Smiths or Browns etc

I've not heard about these before, thought maybe it would have come up when the likes of Che Bunce played in Iceland, but then I could have just missed it
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"also anyone born in Iceland has to get any new names approved by the Icelandic naming committee hence no Smiths or Browns etc"

Love interesting little nuggets like that. Read somewhere that when USA had a military base in Iceland, the Icelandic Govt secretly forbid any Black American GIs from being posted there. Such was their determination to preserve a sort of 'racial purity'!
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Not quite, the s-son suffix means son of, -dottir means daughter of.
But it does mean the overall point is correct in that children don't have the same last name as their parents.
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Not quite, the s-son suffix means son of, -dottir means daughter of.
But it does mean the overall point is correct in that children don't have the same last name as their parents.
Thanks for the rabbit hole...just what I needed at 4:20pm on a short week... :-)
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There must be some more players we've never heard of before that have kiwi ancestry but have gone on to play for other countries. 

In 2007, Michael McGlinchey played for Scotland at the U17 World Cup. 

I don't think any of us (correct me if I am wrong) even knew he was eligible for NZ until he made the switch. 

I think I am going to start researching this more in-depth and try and uncover some random as professional players with kiwi heritage overseas.

Would be good to know who we missed out on, who is eligible etc. 
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There must be some more players we've never heard of before that have kiwi ancestry but have gone on to play for other countries. 

In 2007, Michael McGlinchey played for Scotland at the U17 World Cup. 

I don't think any of us (correct me if I am wrong) even knew he was eligible for NZ until he made the switch. 

I think I am going to start researching this more in-depth and try and uncover some random as professional players with kiwi heritage overseas.

Would be good to know who we missed out on, who is eligible etc. 

Me and Dave Cross knew!

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am pretty sure there was an article about both him and Winston Reid in Soccer Talk way back when before they were well on the radar...

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