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All Whites, Ferns, and other international teams
The Road To Brazil 2014 via Wellington feat. Mexico
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Some points of view for George Costanza about the 2012 OFC Nations Cup:
1. New Zealand Football will lose out on a lot of money.
2. The tournament format was rushed.
3. The pitch was awful.
4. There should of been at least a 3 day gap between games not a 2 day gap.
5. Is there more that one stadium in the Solomon Islands.
6. Failing to qualify for the FIFA Confederations Cup. (Tahiti will get a thrashing against the CONMEBOL and UEFA side in the group they will be drawn in).
7. Playing two friendlies in the USA where as they could of played two matches against on AFC side in there own country.
8. Injuries to Nelsen and Ried was a major blow.
9. Jake Gleeson (who had 1 cap at the time) was prefered to Glen Moss (who has 19 caps) for the remaining games (including THAT game).
10. The All Whites are getting the same press treatment as Australia did in 2002.
11. Since the 2010 FIFA World Cup and between the 2012 OFC Nations Cup, New Zealand only played 6 Matches (Japan was cancelled because of the disaster)
12. Should of played on these FIFA Match days: 11/08/2010, 03/09/10, 07/09/10, 17/11/10, 09/02/11, 10/08/2011, 02/09/11, 06/09/11, 07/10/11, 11/10/11, 11/11/11 and 15/11/11 if the All Whites played and won some of these matches it could of got them higher in the FIFA World Rankings.
13. People want Ricki Herbert to go. I don't think he should go because I think he should be given a chance to qualify to Brazil and after that who knows. The only problem with Herbert as All Whites manager is he has a dual role with the nix and his record (as of 25/08/2012) is Played: 48, Won: 15, Drew: 12, Lost: 21.
14: If you think about it 48 matches in 7 years is not healthy as say Australia which has had 100 matches since Ricki has been manager.
15 Since 2005 New Zealand could of played at least 15-20 more matches either at home or away, against CAF, CONCACAF and AFC sides.
I rest my case.
Not sure what your case is but....
5) no there isn't
7) and which two countries were these?
9) Moss was injured.
12) Easy to say we should have, but we have fiscal contraints, and we are in the middle of no where. Ranking don't matter that much.
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I'd like to think the shift to AFC could happen some day. I love New Zealand and (almost) everything about it, but it's such a bloody shame for football we're so small and isolated (ironically one of the best things about NZ). If we qualify for the next few World Cups I'd say there will be some pressure on FIFA to either merge OFC and AFC or seperate north and south AFC and include OFC in the south confederation anyway, given how much complaining there was around South Africa 2010.
Another option would be to have 3 or more AFC qualifying groups based on location with OFC being a group with the top 3 or 4 teams progressing to the last round based on the number of countries in each group.
It wouldn't be impossible.
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Got my AWs ticket for Solomons game at North Harbour Stadium - (ticket in the envelope, not in ticketek folder or anything - and not even torn properly - no frills from Ticketek/NZF)
Anyways - PAX = 479
Early doors....but don't think crowds are going to be very large for these games...
I say tackle him in the face.
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I don't know if the transaction number on the ticketek website is the same as the PAX will be but mine said 1728 a week and a half ago for the Chch game. It's been a fair while longer since they've played here though.
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Any guesses for the scores of the CONCACAF Third Round matches at all?
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I'd like to think the shift to AFC could happen some day. I love New Zealand and (almost) everything about it, but it's such a bloody shame for football we're so small and isolated (ironically one of the best things about NZ). If we qualify for the next few World Cups I'd say there will be some pressure on FIFA to either merge OFC and AFC or seperate north and south AFC and include OFC in the south confederation anyway, given how much complaining there was around South Africa 2010.
Another option would be to have 3 or more AFC qualifying groups based on location with OFC being a group with the top 3 or 4 teams progressing to the last round based on the number of countries in each group.
It wouldn't be impossible.
Plus the Nix could play in the ACL and it would open the door for more teams from NZ to play in the A League in the future if it expands more.
I wonder what the other OFC nations would think of it though?
People like Coldplay and voted for the Nazis. You can't trust people.
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The OFC should be part of the AFC as a sub-confederation because the 4 sub-confederations are:
ASEAN
EAFF
CSAFF
WAFF
Like the OFC they have their own championships but I think the OFC should have a part in the Confederations Cup, becuase if the OFC is swallowed in the AFC there would only be 7 teams in the tournament.
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For question 7
Thailand, Indonesia, Phillipines, Malaysia, Japan or Hong Kong.
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Inside information, or just making that up? Either way, how dare you!
Allegedly
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Flights booked, hotel booked,match ticket purchased, liver being prepared for the onslaught, come on Auckland , bring it on!!!!
Return tickets on Jetstar $80
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Lining up Pub in Albany for pre-game boozing Hatter. We'll promo it here once Trace has it sorted.
What flights?
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Yep, Ricki should be playing a passing possession based game with 3 centre mids who can control the game on the ball. Remind me who those players are again, I seem to have forgotten.
Ummmm...take your pick. I am pretty sure we can find 3 centre mids who are class in comparison to part-time players from the island teams. I am not talking about tactics against a top 50 nation. I am talking about different tactics against island nations that didnt work last time.
Ricki doesn't seem to change his tactics regardless of who we are playing. If we can't play a possession passing game better than these teams. Then to be honest we don't deserve to qualify.
I think you're too optimistic about our options in midfield, even against the Island opposition. It's a real area of weakness for us.
And as for the OFC Nations Cup disaster, I think that if anything our downfall was we didn't use enough of Route 1 tactics and pummelling them in the air through the central defensive channels. That's a real area of weakness for the Island teams, and every tim we did that they looked in trouble. We let those games get too stretched and let the them more into their comfort zone, and also allowed the conditions to play more of a factor in the closing stages of the games.
Do you really believe that we couldn't put the Olympic team out against the Solomon Islands or New Caledonia with the same set up and tactics as we played in London and not compete? That's a midfield of Tim Payne, McGlinchey, Rojas, Kosta, Smeltz in the hole and say Dan Keat as a back-up or in the mix somewhere. All of those are full professionals at decent clubs. If that is not good enough to match an island team why are our guys the professionals and the the islanders all amateurs??
Apart from from the cash at the end I'm really not sure what the benefit is of qualifying using the same long ball tactics that we did 4 years ago. At some point we have to move forward and catch up to the football that's being played in the rest of the world and we are unlikely to get a team of Bahrain's standard again in the play-off.
Doesn't the fact that the island teams are supposedly catching up to us, and the only way we can match them is to go more direct, worry you?
Normo's coming home
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Lining up Pub in Albany for pre-game boozing Hatter. We'll promo it here once Trace has it sorted.
What flights?
11.30 Jetstar, back next day around 5 or 6 - $35 each way (plus CC fee)
You?
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Same up, earlier back.
Think Tracey is on the same one back though.
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Correct. And watch this space for pub details ya'll...Just about locked in.
End of an era. Vinnie - It's over.
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Following on from the discussion about moving into Asia, as an intro into Asia this might be a good tournament for us to push for Oceania representation in.
There may be some resistance but you could easily attempt to make an argument to add the winner of OFC Champs, have OFC screen it throughout the pacific and watch New Caledonia have a great time...
This seems to me that this is the basis of an East/West Asia split
http://www.smh.com.au/sport/football/money-talks-as-socceroos-make-east-asia-debut-20120829-25149.html
Normo's coming home
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Right you lot -
Pre-match gathering at The Merchant Bar which at Westfield Albany is handy to the stadium. Apparently they would love to have us (They have NO idea what they're in for). They're gonna set aside an area for us I think.
Tap beers are around $8.80 a pint (ISH)- Heinekin, Tiger, Amstel, Monteiths Origianl, Monteiths Radler, Monteiths Black, Tui, Export Gold, Export 33 and Amstel Light.
I specifically asked about ciders (so ya'll better respect) - Monteiths Apple Cider and Monteiths Pear Cider on tap. Rekorderlig cider available by the bottle.
Depending on numbers there may be some free food.
GET IN!!!
End of an era. Vinnie - It's over.
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Following on from the discussion about moving into Asia, as an intro into Asia this might be a good tournament for us to push for Oceania representation in.
There may be some resistance but you could easily attempt to make an argument to add the winner of OFC Champs, have OFC screen it throughout the pacific and watch New Caledonia have a great time...
This seems to me that this is the basis of an East/West Asia split
http://www.smh.com.au/sport/football/money-talks-as-socceroos-make-east-asia-debut-20120829-25149.html
Just can't see any of this happening in the short term for NZ
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I'd like to think the shift to AFC could happen some day. I love New Zealand and (almost) everything about it, but it's such a bloody shame for football we're so small and isolated (ironically one of the best things about NZ). If we qualify for the next few World Cups I'd say there will be some pressure on FIFA to either merge OFC and AFC or seperate north and south AFC and include OFC in the south confederation anyway, given how much complaining there was around South Africa 2010.
Another option would be to have 3 or more AFC qualifying groups based on location with OFC being a group with the top 3 or 4 teams progressing to the last round based on the number of countries in each group.
It wouldn't be impossible.
Plus the Nix could play in the ACL and it would open the door for more teams from NZ to play in the A League in the future if it expands more.
I wonder what the other OFC nations would think of it though?
I can't see any more NZ teams in the A-League for some time, and Ithink the other island nations will be upset if NZF try to walk. Too political at present, and NZ is meat in the sandwich.
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Some points of view for George Costanza about the 2012 OFC Nations Cup:
10. The All Whites are getting the same press treatment as Australia did in 2002.
14: If you think about it 48 matches in 7 years is not healthy as say Australia which has had 100 matches since Ricki has been manager.
10. Australia was stone broke after 2002 OFC Cup.
14. Australia used all their FIFA windows to play internationals, just like most other nations do. NZ does not.
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I think the islands nations will not cope if New Zealand leave the OFC because they are not as rich as say East Timor.
I think the OFC should merge with Asia after the 2018 or 2022 FIFA World Cup becuase it would benefit the confederation but the FIFA Confederations Cup will be axed though.
Unless they divided Asia into East and West or by developed associations, developing associations and emerging associations.
Look at the 1982 FIFA World Cup qualifiers New Zealand was lucky though. If New Zealand had the same route to qualify for 2014 it would be very hard though becuase the Arab teams are more hard to beat now..
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I have had a thought. If (a very big if) Tahiti (or New Caledona) can't make the 2013 FIFA Confederations Cup New Zealand could take their place. Teams have not entered the FIFA Confederations Cup in the past look at this article. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_team_appearances_in_the_FIFA_Confederations_Cup#Overall_team_record
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I think you've totally missed it. What's being suggested is OFC becomes envolped into AFC and has it's own qualifying group for the last 10. It wouldn't really change anything except 2 OFC sides could get the opportunity to play meaningful qualifying/tournament games through Asia. That would be a massive opportunity for the smaller nations, especially the likes of the Solomon Islands, New Caledonia and Tahiti who are coming into their stride somewhat.
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Wow !!! Strong squads named by our Pacific opponents for the qualifiers:
New Caledonia will be no pushovers and this must be their strongest-ever team - they've added more class to that which troubled us in the OFC Cup.
New Caledonia now have TWO French First Division players, plus a French Second Div. player. Funnily enough the two Ligue 1 players' teams faced eachother last weekend: Troyes 2 Lorient 2 with Wesley Lautoa playing the whole game for Lorient in defence and Georges Gope-Fenepej on the bench for Troyes.
Tahiti have named one of the best players to ever come out of Oceania, a striker who would give Rufer a run for his money, namely Marama Vahirua, former French u-21 international and a 15 year career in the French top-flight with Nantes, Nices, Lorient, Monaco and Nancy. He's never made himself available to the land of his birth, Tahiti, before and will prove very dangerous to all defences in qualifying...Find heaps of videos of him on You Tube (tagged with words like "exceptional", "genius"):
http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=marama+vahirua&oq=marama+vahirua&gs_l=youtube.3..0.7912.15311.0.16788.14.8.0.6.6.0.288.1888.0j2j6.8.0...0.0...1ac.UJ7pKm8gQ4o
Vahirua goal compilations:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lRJlhIIFwo4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EtiFWKsJ_8w&feature=related
Vahirua has Champions League experience with Nantes, including running Manchester Utd ragged in a memorable match in Feb. 2002: "...and flashed across the six-yard area where Laurent Blanc et al appeared to have gone AWOL. Marama Vahirua's twisting header did not trouble Fabien Barthez but succeeded in taking the pace off the ball and it dropped kindly to Viorel Moldovan, who swivelled at the far post to score with a diagonal shot. Had Barthez not saved wonderfully from Vahirua within the next 60 seconds, the French Under-21 international wriggling past Blanc as if he were not there, Ferguson's side could have found themselves two down before most of his players had even worked up a sweat..." Man Utd had Van Nistlerooy, Solksjaer, Beckham etc. and only equalized in 4th min. injury time.
Full Game Nantes v Manchester Utd (an all-time favourite of Nantes fans) here; Vahirua neatly sets-up goal 9th min:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-NZ3Itig3-E
Details of the star Pacific players to face All Whites - see:
http://www.oceaniafootball.com/ofc/News/ViewArticle/tabid/125/Article/a8faeb56-ac9b-4a51-876a-8742f6f818e9/language/en-US/Default.aspx
"But the All Whites aren’t the only ones able to draw upon talent from foreign shores with each of the other three nations all also including at least one overseas-based professional in their ranks.
New Caledonia’s Les Cagous lead the way with three players who ply their trade in France. Two of that trio, Georges Gope-Fenepej and Wesley Lautoa, are with Ligue 1 sides Troyes and Lorient respectively while Cesar Lolohea is on the books of Ligue 2 club Stade Lavallois.
Winger Gope-Fenepej, who signed for top-flight newcomers Troyes shortly after June’s Nations Cup, is sure to be a key figure throughout Stage 3 and his attacking combinations with 2011 OFC Player of the Year Bertrand Kai and Nations Cup Golden Boot winner Jacques Haeko will cause many problems for Les Cagous’ opponents.
Fellow French territory Tahiti have a similar jewel in the crown in the form of ex-France U-21 international Marama Vahirua. The 32-year-old is a striker of prodigious ability and has made over 320 appearances in Ligue 1 for Nantes, Nice, Lorient and current employers Nancy [currently on loan to Panthrakikos, Greek Super League].
Due to his club commitments, he has never pulled on the shirt of his country but his career at the highest level appears to be winding down - he spent last season on loan at Ligue 2 Monaco - and he is clearly unwilling to spurn the opportunity to take part in the 2013 FIFA Confederations Cup, which Tahiti qualified for by winning the Nations Cup.
While they have no such European stars, the Bonitos of Solomon Islands are certainly not short of ability and are able to include talismen Benjamin Totori and Henry Fa’arodo. After proving himself as one of Oceania’s most accomplished strikers in the national leagues of his homeland and New Zealand, Totori was one of the stars of the Nations Cup and did enough to earn a contract with the Phoenix.
Fa’arodo is also familiar to fans across the Pacific after playing professionally in Australia and was a big part of Team Wellington’s run to the final of New Zealand’s ASB Premiership last season.
FULL SQUADS HERE:
http://www.oceaniafootball.com/ofc/Competitions/TeamList/tabid/1014/Competition/b83f5303-0774-4ca8-b1cb-d978ddeb1704/language/en-US/Default.aspx/
Wesley Lautoa, FC Lorient, France
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In other Oceania news Fiji shared a two-match series with a Brazilian selection featuring several former internationals, defeating the Brazilians 1-0 in the second game last weekend.
Makes you wonder why they couldn't have stopped off here for some games too...some big name World Cup winners:
Fiji defeated the Vodafone Fair Play Brazil side 1-0 in the second friendly match yesterday at Govind Park in Ba.
“This was a historic win for us,” Patel said.
“The side had the services of former Brazil World Cup reps and youth internationals playing in Asia and South America.”
After losing to the Vodafone Fair Play Brazil team 2-1 in the first match, the national side was a totally changed team.
Waitakere-based striker Roy Krishna scored the winning goal in the 31st minute.
The side had the likes of Paulo Sergio, Giovanni, Emmerson Da Silva, Carlos Da Silva, Jose Almeida who were members of the winning Brazilian side who won the FIFA World Cup in 1994.
Paulo Sergio won the Champions League and Bundesliga in his time at Bayern Munich from 1999.
Fair Play Brazil Team: Fabio Santiago Freitas, Jose Carlos de Almeida, Marquem Nuquen Goncalves Ferreira, Emerson Pereira da Silva, Claudecir Aparecido Aguiar, Elivelton Alves Rufino, Paulo Sergio Silvestre do Nascimento, Carlos Luciano da Silva, Emanoel Dias Ephima, Giovanni Silva de Oliveira, Demetrius Ferreira Leite
Big Pete 65, Christchurch
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As far as I am aware there is still no TV coverage in NZ of the All Whites vs New Caledonia on Friday night. Game kicks off at 7pm so it is prime time for us. I suggest bombarding the SKY SPORT facebook page again.
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I'd like to think the shift to AFC could happen some day. I love New Zealand and (almost) everything about it, but it's such a bloody shame for football we're so small and isolated (ironically one of the best things about NZ). If we qualify for the next few World Cups I'd say there will be some pressure on FIFA to either merge OFC and AFC or seperate north and south AFC and include OFC in the south confederation anyway, given how much complaining there was around South Africa 2010.
Another option would be to have 3 or more AFC qualifying groups based on location with OFC being a group with the top 3 or 4 teams progressing to the last round based on the number of countries in each group.
It wouldn't be impossible.
Plus the Nix could play in the ACL and it would open the door for more teams from NZ to play in the A League in the future if it expands more.
I wonder what the other OFC nations would think of it though?
I can't see any more NZ teams in the A-League for some time, and Ithink the other island nations will be upset if NZF try to walk. Too political at present, and NZ is meat in the sandwich.
People like Coldplay and voted for the Nazis. You can't trust people.
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If you want to talk movements to different confeds, can you create a new thread please.
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Anyone know if OFCTV are going to be streaming the game on Friday?
Yellow Fever - Misery loves company
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There'll be no live TV coverage of the#allwhites next three away world cup qualifiers. Only the home games will be shown live.
Yellow Fever - Misery loves company
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http://www.oceaniafootball.com/ofc/News/ViewArticle/tabid/125/Article/fb365648-9a49-4131-b5fa-83625f7742cd/language/en-US/Default.aspx
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Looks as though Sky could make a bit of coin from this if other networks want to buy into their rights for our home games
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Looks as though Sky could make a bit of coin from this if other networks want to buy into their rights for our home games
Would be nice if Sky could reinvest some of that money to broadcast AWs away games here... but not advising anyone to hold their breathe.
I say tackle him in the face.
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Looks as though Sky could make a bit of coin from this if other networks want to buy into their rights for our home games
Would be nice if Sky could reinvest some of that money to broadcast AWs away games here... but not advising anyone to hold their breathe.
Who knows, they might buy into away rights if they feel theres enough to be made by being the exclusive holders for those games aswell
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Some points of view for George Costanza about the 2012 OFC Nations Cup:
1. New Zealand Football will lose out on a lot of money.
2. The tournament format was rushed.
3. The pitch was awful.
4. There should of been at least a 3 day gap between games not a 2 day gap.
5. Is there more that one stadium in the Solomon Islands.
6. Failing to qualify for the FIFA Confederations Cup. (Tahiti will get a thrashing against the CONMEBOL and UEFA side in the group they will be drawn in).
7. Playing two friendlies in the USA where as they could of played two matches against on AFC side in there own country.
8. Injuries to Nelsen and Ried was a major blow.
9. Jake Gleeson (who had 1 cap at the time) was prefered to Glen Moss (who has 19 caps) for the remaining games (including THAT game).
10. The All Whites are getting the same press treatment as Australia did in 2002.
11. Since the 2010 FIFA World Cup and between the 2012 OFC Nations Cup, New Zealand only played 6 Matches (Japan was cancelled because of the disaster)
12. Should of played on these FIFA Match days: 11/08/2010, 03/09/10, 07/09/10, 17/11/10, 09/02/11, 10/08/2011, 02/09/11, 06/09/11, 07/10/11, 11/10/11, 11/11/11 and 15/11/11 if the All Whites played and won some of these matches it could of got them higher in the FIFA World Rankings.
13. People want Ricki Herbert to go. I don't think he should go because I think he should be given a chance to qualify to Brazil and after that who knows. The only problem with Herbert as All Whites manager is he has a dual role with the nix and his record (as of 25/08/2012) is Played: 48, Won: 15, Drew: 12, Lost: 21.
14: If you think about it 48 matches in 7 years is not healthy as say Australia which has had 100 matches since Ricki has been manager.
15 Since 2005 New Zealand could of played at least 15-20 more matches either at home or away, against CAF, CONCACAF and AFC sides.
16 New Zealand should of held the OFC Nations Cup but I think they will bid for the 2016 OFC Nations Cup.
I rest my case.
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The reason our away games wont be shown is because nobody wanted to pay the money to the producer.
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Not sure if these have been posted on the forum already...
YouTube footage of New Caledonia v Central Coast Mariners (game 1 and 2).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=foYP7QJQn10&feature=relmfu
and:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O4zEENiTbYw&feature=relmfu
I'm picking a 2-0 away win for the AWs..!
GGW
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Gordon - as a strong supporter of the Oceania confederation what's your view on this TV coverage debacle?
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“Although networks in New Caledonia and Tahiti bought the rights, there was a lack of interest from television stations around the region,” Nicholas says. “We offer our sincere apologies to the fans in New Caledonia and Tahiti.”
“We have to operate financially and be prudent with our funds and OFC TV was facing a USD 140,000 loss in the live production. This does not make good business sense and it would have been irresponsible of us to proceed any further,” he says.
It's a shame that it appears Sky did not show any interest in purchasing the rights, even for NZ away games. I'm not sure on what the costs for purchasing the rights would have been for Sky. If the OFC TV channel was up they might have been able to broadcast the games on there and recoup some of the costs through advertising revenue.
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