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The Road To Brazil 2014 via Wellington feat. Mexico

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almost 13 years ago

tripvincent wrote:

Nommag wrote:

Regardless of what Mexico say now, I can't imagine them intentionally going to 4th to play us. What a risk. 


The whole world cup qualification annoys me, the top oceania team should go into the CONCACAF play-off rounds and compete for one of the four spots. Less chance of a bad outing throwing the whole campaign & more games.


Oceania winner should get auto qualification


No.
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almost 13 years ago

el grapadura wrote:

tripvincent wrote:

patrick478 wrote:

USA is still a chance. It's unlikely but it's incredibly tight in the Hex at the moment.


Pretty sure its tight early always until usa and mex pull away. We could beat usa though if that happened


I love your wonderfully misplaced optimism.


i love you're belief in the national team


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almost 13 years ago

tripvincent wrote:

el grapadura wrote:

tripvincent wrote:

patrick478 wrote:

USA is still a chance. It's unlikely but it's incredibly tight in the Hex at the moment.


Pretty sure its tight early always until usa and mex pull away. We could beat usa though if that happened


I love your wonderfully misplaced optimism.


i love you're belief in the national team


your

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almost 13 years ago · edited almost 13 years ago · History

tripvincent wrote:

I'd rather Oceania join Asia and split Asia into West and East for qualifiers before a top six fight it out for the top four spots

We'd be fucked, no way would we top Japan, South Korea or Australia in an East Asia group. If Oceania joined Asia the qualification structure would be hardly changed anyway. My bet would be that seeing as the first round of Asian qualifying consists of all the Asian minnows playing their minnow neighbours, theyd find a way to incorporate all the current Oceania members into this stage by playing each other, with the top 1 or 2 sides progressing directly to round 2.
The Caribbean Cup still lives on in concacaf so theyd probably continue to use the Oceania Cup to give these sides games, or even use this as a qualification path as we do now
No way would AFC split in half all because a bunch of Oceanian nobodies become merged
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almost 13 years ago · edited almost 13 years ago · History

Arsenal wrote:

tripvincent wrote:

el grapadura wrote:

tripvincent wrote:

patrick478 wrote:

USA is still a chance. It's unlikely but it's incredibly tight in the Hex at the moment.


Pretty sure its tight early always until usa and mex pull away. We could beat usa though if that happened


I love your wonderfully misplaced optimism.


i love you're belief in the national team


your


pointing out grammatical errors. yawn


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almost 13 years ago

AJ13 wrote:

tripvincent wrote:

I'd rather Oceania join Asia and split Asia into West and East for qualifiers before a top six fight it out for the top four spots

We'd be fucked, no way would we top Japan, South Korea or Australia in an East Asia group. If Oceania joined Asia the qualification structure would be hardly changed anyway. My bet would be that seeing as the first round of Asian qualifying consists of all the Asian minnows playing their minnow neighbours, theyd find a way to incorporate all the current Oceania members into this stage by playing each other, with the top 1 or 2 sides progressing directly to round 2.
The Caribbean Cup still lives on in concacaf so theyd probably continue to use the Oceania Cup to give these sides games, or even use this as a qualification path as we do now
No way would AFC split in half all because a bunch of Oceanian nobodies become merged


He said top four soooo Japan, South Korea, Australia ahead of us yes but we'd be 4th. No way China, North Korea, Thailand etc would get past us


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almost 13 years ago

I wonder what sort of travelling supporters group would come down to NZ for the playoff game. There were a few 100 Bahrain supporters last time. I remember them all looking on slightly bemused and a little worried with all the mayhem and carnage going on in Courtney place after the game. The ones I talked to were cool people.

It would be amazing if the USA...who are not playing well, were in the playoffs. I would expect a big group of yanks would come down here....direct flight from LA. A playoff game agaisnt the USA would be enormous....a real David vs Goliath challenge.The NZ media/public would really get into that game. If it was Mexico then that game would be well supported too...they have great supporters. I would imagine we could see a couple of thousand supporters from either country. 

The other countries...Panama, Honduras etc would probably not have have loads of people who would be prepared to come this far. 

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almost 13 years ago

tripvincent wrote:

AJ13 wrote:

tripvincent wrote:

I'd rather Oceania join Asia and split Asia into West and East for qualifiers before a top six fight it out for the top four spots

We'd be fucked, no way would we top Japan, South Korea or Australia in an East Asia group. If Oceania joined Asia the qualification structure would be hardly changed anyway. My bet would be that seeing as the first round of Asian qualifying consists of all the Asian minnows playing their minnow neighbours, theyd find a way to incorporate all the current Oceania members into this stage by playing each other, with the top 1 or 2 sides progressing directly to round 2.
The Caribbean Cup still lives on in concacaf so theyd probably continue to use the Oceania Cup to give these sides games, or even use this as a qualification path as we do now
No way would AFC split in half all because a bunch of Oceanian nobodies become merged


He said top four soooo Japan, South Korea, Australia ahead of us yes but we'd be 4th. No way China, North Korea, Thailand etc would get past us


What makes you so sure of this?

Three for me, and two for them.

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almost 13 years ago

Buffon II wrote:

tripvincent wrote:

AJ13 wrote:

tripvincent wrote:

I'd rather Oceania join Asia and split Asia into West and East for qualifiers before a top six fight it out for the top four spots

We'd be fucked, no way would we top Japan, South Korea or Australia in an East Asia group. If Oceania joined Asia the qualification structure would be hardly changed anyway. My bet would be that seeing as the first round of Asian qualifying consists of all the Asian minnows playing their minnow neighbours, theyd find a way to incorporate all the current Oceania members into this stage by playing each other, with the top 1 or 2 sides progressing directly to round 2.
The Caribbean Cup still lives on in concacaf so theyd probably continue to use the Oceania Cup to give these sides games, or even use this as a qualification path as we do now
No way would AFC split in half all because a bunch of Oceanian nobodies become merged


He said top four soooo Japan, South Korea, Australia ahead of us yes but we'd be 4th. No way China, North Korea, Thailand etc would get past us


What makes you so sure of this?


expert opinion of course


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almost 13 years ago

Didn't the Olywhites lose a warm up game pre Olympics to South or North Korea?


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almost 13 years ago · edited almost 13 years ago · History

tripvincent wrote:

AJ13 wrote:

tripvincent wrote:

I'd rather Oceania join Asia and split Asia into West and East for qualifiers before a top six fight it out for the top four spots

We'd be fucked, no way would we top Japan, South Korea or Australia in an East Asia group. If Oceania joined Asia the qualification structure would be hardly changed anyway. My bet would be that seeing as the first round of Asian qualifying consists of all the Asian minnows playing their minnow neighbours, theyd find a way to incorporate all the current Oceania members into this stage by playing each other, with the top 1 or 2 sides progressing directly to round 2.
The Caribbean Cup still lives on in concacaf so theyd probably continue to use the Oceania Cup to give these sides games, or even use this as a qualification path as we do now
No way would AFC split in half all because a bunch of Oceanian nobodies become merged


He said top four soooo Japan, South Korea, Australia ahead of us yes but we'd be 4th. No way China, North Korea, Thailand etc would get past us

You would probably find, hopefully, that Asia would get 5 automatic spots with the final spot being decided under the existing structure at round 5. That would be one good selling point to AFC if OFC wanted to merge - hopefully going from 4.5 to 5. Unless UEFA wanted to be dicks and put pressure on FIFA to create a play off with Asia

But anyway, I have no idea why you think a top 6 of East vs. West would include 4 from East, 2 from West. Especially when you look at the current 4th round of 10 nations, 7 of which are from the West Asian Region.

Also we havent beaten China since 1990, or Thailand since 1976. Never played DPR. All 3 would be as unpredictable as we are.
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almost 13 years ago

Didn't the Olywhites lose a warm up game pre Olympics to South or North Korea?



South.
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almost 13 years ago

tripvincent wrote:

Buffon II wrote:

tripvincent wrote:

AJ13 wrote:

tripvincent wrote:

I'd rather Oceania join Asia and split Asia into West and East for qualifiers before a top six fight it out for the top four spots

We'd be fucked, no way would we top Japan, South Korea or Australia in an East Asia group. If Oceania joined Asia the qualification structure would be hardly changed anyway. My bet would be that seeing as the first round of Asian qualifying consists of all the Asian minnows playing their minnow neighbours, theyd find a way to incorporate all the current Oceania members into this stage by playing each other, with the top 1 or 2 sides progressing directly to round 2.
The Caribbean Cup still lives on in concacaf so theyd probably continue to use the Oceania Cup to give these sides games, or even use this as a qualification path as we do now
No way would AFC split in half all because a bunch of Oceanian nobodies become merged


He said top four soooo Japan, South Korea, Australia ahead of us yes but we'd be 4th. No way China, North Korea, Thailand etc would get past us


What makes you so sure of this?


expert opinion of course


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almost 13 years ago

I think it's pretty obvious that it is.

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almost 13 years ago
http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/opinion/8495585/Herbert-needs-Nelsens-nous-for-Cup-tilt

Former English Premier League player Neil Emblen is a welcome addition to the coaching staff. He's respected by the players and impressed with his organisation of last year's London Olympics squad captained by Nelsen. Keep Emblen there but add some extra starch, someone to hold the players to account.

Nelsen has the mana to lift players around him, to make them believe they're better than they really are. He did just that when the All Whites drew 1-1 with World Cup champions Italy at the last World Cup finals.

If he's not available, draft in Danny Hay, another ex-All Whites captain who has clearly pinpointed the All Whites' areas of concerns in his Sunday newspaper column.


 haha I can't ever see Ricki wanting Danny Hay's advice

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almost 13 years ago

I read that same comment and laughed very loud.

Grumpy old bastard alert

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almost 13 years ago

I read that comment and checked the date!!

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almost 13 years ago

I also liked the suggestion of Clapham as the potential answer to our lack of an international class right back.

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almost 13 years ago

Seriously lacking in a decent football writer here...


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almost 13 years ago

Would love to see a writer look at what's coming through. I bet Smith knows nothing about any of the U20's


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almost 13 years ago

It would appear he knows nothing about football so U20s is out of the question.

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almost 13 years ago

Pretty sure I'll be coming up for the game from Christchurch. Reckon there will be a nix home game on either side of it? Thinking about booking flights asap

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almost 13 years ago

joshyboy007 wrote:

Pretty sure I'll be coming up for the game from Christchurch. Reckon there will be a nix home game on either side of it? Thinking about booking flights asap

 

Er, hadn't you better wait until you find out where the game being played?

"At the end of the drive the lawmen arrive...

I'll take my chance because luck is on my side or something...

Her name is Rio, she don't need to understand...

Oh Rio, Rio, hear them shout across the land..."

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almost 13 years ago · edited almost 13 years ago · History

I'm hoping to take a week off and head to our opponents country for the first game. There's no way we'll (the Nix) have a game in the middle of two crucial WCQ matches. I'm pretty sure FFA have said they'll work something out anyway, as Australia will likely also have crucial games around that time.

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almost 13 years ago

Ok cool, yeah will wait until venue is announced. True point about the FFA

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almost 13 years ago

Shane Smeltz should not be picked for the World Cup playoffs given his current lack of form. His shocker against MV tells me he is yesterdays man; the AWs have some exciting young talent playing in higher leagues who are more constant in turning chances into goals so why continue with someone who is struggling to score in the A-league.

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almost 13 years ago

Class is permanent, form is temporary.

Grumpy old bastard alert

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almost 13 years ago

Jeff Vader wrote:

Class is permanent, form is temporary.



So do you pick a classy player that is out of form?

If you are old and wise you were probably young and stupid

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almost 13 years ago · edited almost 13 years ago · History

vs....?

You need a comparison

Grumpy old bastard alert

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almost 13 years ago

Jeff Vader wrote:

vs....?

You need a comparison



Fallon?

If you are old and wise you were probably young and stupid

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almost 13 years ago

Sorry I was not really looking for a name.... So you are asking if I would pick a player that has class but is out of form, over Fallon...

Grumpy old bastard alert

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almost 13 years ago

Jeff Vader wrote:

Sorry I was not really looking for a name.... So you are asking if I would pick a player that has class but is out of form, over Fallon...

I would have an out of form Smeltz over Fallon any day.

Yellow Fever - Misery loves company

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almost 13 years ago

patrick478 wrote:

Jeff Vader wrote:

Sorry I was not really looking for a name.... So you are asking if I would pick a player that has class but is out of form, over Fallon...

I would have an out of form Smeltz over Fallon any day.
Oddly enough, thats the exact name I was thinking about as well to put up against Fallon and defines class, but out of form.

Grumpy old bastard alert

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almost 13 years ago

Jeff Vader wrote:

patrick478 wrote:

Jeff Vader wrote:

Sorry I was not really looking for a name.... So you are asking if I would pick a player that has class but is out of form, over Fallon...

I would have an out of form Smeltz over Fallon any day.
Oddly enough, thats the exact name I was thinking about as well to put up against Fallon and defines class, but out of form.
Smeltz was the player that kicked off this whole discussion ;)

Yellow Fever - Misery loves company

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almost 13 years ago

If the question is Smeltz out of form, over Fallon in hot form... difficult choice, would depend who is around him and how you are playing the game

If it is just in the normal run of things, then Smeltz

As it is both are in poor form. Smeltz is getting starts and missing clear opportunities, Fallon not starting and not doing anything as a sub.


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almost 13 years ago · edited almost 13 years ago · History

I think Leggy's question was really 'would you pick a class player out of form'. I asked for the comparison. Now that I think about it (and I'll use the example of Tom Abercrombie at the Breakers) Abercrombie is a class player but has been woefully out of form in the early part of the year and very much up and down through the back half with more glimpses of what he has towards the end. As the coach, Lemanis has left him in there because a player with class, will find other ways to contribute or change the game other from the usual manner they might do so. There will also be those moments of brilliance and then eventually, everything clicks and that player is in form again. Some players you just keep telling them to keep launching the jumper, find the feel and shoot their way out of a slump. So I have to say yes I would pick a class player that is out of form.

Smeltz, not a great game from him but you can bet he will come right.

Grumpy old bastard alert

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almost 13 years ago

really, if we set up properly, it's between Smeltz and Brockie for that second striker spot - Fallon is a bit of a red herring.  


I don't think we can fit both into the side cause round the park neither contributes enough i.e. both go missing for long periods.  

Normo's coming home

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almost 13 years ago · edited almost 13 years ago · History

If Killen wasn't being played as a DM then I'd think he's ahead of both Smeltz and Fallon purely because he seems to have a more complete skill set than either. With Wood and Rojas definite starters and possibly Kosta and WeeMac out there as well we shouldn't really be lacking for the goalscoring that Smeltz provides or the elbows in defenders' faces that Fallon provides (as in we shouldn't be playing a style that needs a player like Fallon, especially if Wood and Killen are there too).

edit: Brockie has had a great season scoring goals for the Nix but I think he'd be best used on the bench by the AWs because of his versatility. 

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