The Road To Brazil 2014 via Wellington feat. Mexico

Sky 'unable to secure the right from OFC' .. oh right.. meanin OFC were unwilling to pay what Sky would have been demanding for the priviledge of broadcasting the tournament. It's not as if SKY would have been offering to pay OFC for any rights.

I dont know why someone at TVNZ hasnt thought about securing the rights to broadcast it on TVNZ ondemand. Why can't they stream it live, free to air for the public of NZ?

I don't like it either but Sky would have had to pay for this.

Surely the rights would have been offered pretty cheap if the tiny Pacific Island broadcasters can afford them?

Even countries like Malaysia are screening it and it's a minor tournament to them.

Suggest people contact other broadcasters like TVNZ and TV 3 to see if they'd be interested.

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Phone: 09 916 7000

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Phone: Auckland: (09) 928 9000    Wellington: (04) 801 6333 

Sky TV here:

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I thought he might be able to sneak in as an u21 like Brent did last year.

To be honest I dont think a senior third choice CB is needed - the McKain/ North conundrum. If they are good enough, it doesnt matter if they are young, and I think youth CB is a great thing as they will get a limited amount of games and have time to learn before being thrown in the deep end. Just because we have two examples of youth players who werent world beaters, doesnt mean every u21 CB is gonna be the same level. Thats naive. Its like saying we should stop signing asian players because we've never had success there.

I'm wondering if OFC are the problem here?

Maybe they are trying to push people towards their paid streaming option?

After all, they will never know what the true demand is like unless they force a TV blackout.

And NZ is probably the only country in the OFC to have sufficient braodband coverage that streaming is a real option.

You will all be chucking out your Sky decoders soon anyway. Here in Hong Kong I no longer own a TV, everything I watch, sports or docos or whatever, is via streaming or downloading. The OFC are cutting out the middle man.

I'm guessing someone will be streaming the games for free if I look hard enough

Sky want NZ Football to pay to screen the Chatham Cup or any domestic football.  Do we think their mindset would change enough to pay for this?

I had a nightmare last night.  We drew against Fiji (after 3 players were sent off for swearing).  We LOST against an inspired PNG (4 players sent off -  more swearing).  And we could only manage a draw against the Solomons (we hit the woodwork about 8-10 times by memory).  Afterwards, I could hear Dingo's Son screaming with pleasure yelling "You're irrelevant" from OZ.  .  

The problem with that is that Internet here is shite

The difference is that Sky have to set up and pay for all the costs of actually filming the games you are talking about. That costs money. In this case the OFC is paying for that. I have no doubt Sky are not offering much, but at the same time the fact that no other network wants to pick it up, sadly, shows that the appetite for NZ football in NZ just doesn't seem to be there.

TVNZ, I hope the your boat sinks in the America's Cup, BTW.

I hate to defend sky, but surely if TVNZ/Maori TV/Media Works wanted to and they thought any demand was there, they could offer to show it.  Sky is not a public service television provider, as much as I would like them to be.  Our FTA providers either ignore sport, or treat it terribly when they have it, which allows Sky to act like this.

Yep, a shakeup is needed. But also, just because sky is allowed to act like this, doesn't mean they should. 

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=10809911

I think this article confirms a balls up on sky's part, and gives AWs fans every reason to be aggrieved. Contrary to the theory they made a commercial decision not to take up the rights based on not seeing sufficient audience and value, in fact they just took too long to get off their bum. I suspect they underestimated interest until the Honduras and el Salvador fixtures, but by which time ofc had set up the streaming option instead. These are world cp qualifiers and there should never have been any question about whether or not to broadcast them. World cup qualifiers = on tv.

In other words, they thought that if the interest was there they thought they could just swoop in at the last minute and OFC would pay up. They forgot that people have the internet now.

Still can't purchase my streaming pack on the OFC site, hopefully this is up and running before the games tomorrow. Vanuatu vs New Caledonia could be a cracker of a game, we are most likely going to be playing the loser in the semifinal (assuming things don't turn to custard for us)

Sky are assholes. I'll probs watche a few games online. Wish you could pay the fee and watch the games later.

OFC TV is well within their rights to take the market into these areas, I think. They've tried to work constructively with Sky TV in the past but have always been had over a barrel in terms of getting their competition matches broadcast. The 2008 O-League Final is an example. The fees attached to flying over a unit, staffers and setting up a production unit sailed close to $100,000.00 including satellite space, meals, accommodation. 

Since then, OFC has moved toward building its own production unit to deliver matches to and from its member associations without having to depend upon anyone else. They've largely been successful. I was attracted to the project because I believe in the vision for covering football around the region and believe that over time the product itself will improve. That OFC is now selling the rights to its tournaments outside Oceania justifies the move in that direction.

I'm not privy to the ins and outs of the current Sky TV v OFC TV standoff. Perhaps the next stage in the evolution of OFC TV is screen games 'on-demand' rather than 'live'. I'm sure these things will come in time. In 2007, coverage of OFC events was left to the one media officer to provide via a laptop and mobile phone. In 2008, the OFC, in conjunction with EMTV Papua New Guinea, broadcast the first ever live women's football match in Papua New Guinea, the game between the Football Ferns and the Papua New Guinea women's team. Groundbreaking stuff. Fast forward just 4 years and here we are with the OFC now picking up the pace. Is it perhaps understandable that Sky TV isn't enamoured with dealing with a new entity on the scene? 

Questions about broadcast quality are fair - for now. OFC TV is improving all the time and its only a matter of waiting patiently before the standards lift. Take a look at coverage of the Honduras v New Zealand game on some feeds (online, for example) to see how it can vary. Also, the USA v Scotland friendly kicked off late by nearly 30 minutes and the national anthems were a doggrel. 

Not sure I've answered this one directly, but I think OFC is doing its job by aiming high and trying to go at it independently. I'm also fairly certain the OFC are willing for a local broadcaster (from NZL) to be involved. The ball is really in their court..?

Think everyone agrees with you there. 

Sky subscribers pay them money to try their hardest to bring them live sport. They've gotten too greedy and demand money from sports to show it. That in itself is unfair  to their subscribers,especially when they miss out on seeing their sport because of it. 

We shouldn't have to have a situation where we pay sky,but then also have to pay more to see tournaments such as this. 

Can only hope the commerce commission comes down hard on sky. 

Also, good on the OFC. The saints basketball do a similar thing (except its free). Sky really need to wake up and see that this is a very viable alternative for sports that they are screwing. They actually need to rethink, otherwise sooner or later you will see a situation where people will unsubscribe from sky and move to something of an online pay per view that is set up by the sporting bodies of what they wish to watch. 

They need to realise they are the middleman. If enough sports find it easier to cut them out, they will no longer be necessary. You can bet a few football supporters will be wondering whether it is worth their money if this continues. What is to stop the OFC securing all whites rights in the future? That would be a huge step forward,and a kick in the teeth for sky as it would make other sports look at what the OFC are doing as a model,and try to replicate it. 

It won't be once NZ gets a 4G network. What I mean is that if it is any consolation to you guys, Sky's business model has a short lifespan ahead of it.

I for one will happily dance on Sky's grave. They treat their customers like shiite. All over the globe the way sport in delivered is changing. You can stream Champs league games live from the Uefa site. USA baseball have been streaming games for a while now...and making money out of it.

Sooner or later dinosaurs like Sky will be toast. I would imagine one day there will be A-League TV....where you pay to view  games on demand. All we need is to get Chorus to get a move on with the fibre layout and some politicians with some balls to stop Skys anti competive practices

People don't just have Sky to watch sport. That is the main reason I have it but there is a lot more to them than sport.

Very true. But probably all of those other reasons can be delivered through the internet as well.

Go All Whites

WHat a chance for FIji.

X 2.

Just an equalizer away from getting really pissed off now.

Paston.  Knee to the face.  Gleeson on. 

Rojas off (been a bit poor/bullied, too).  Wood on.

Rojas off (been a bit poor/bullied, too).  Wood on.

Pull Smeltz off.

Drinks.  20mins left.  This could go either way.

Seriously.  We really are favourites for this, aren't we?

Pooing bricks.

I'd love Ricky Stuart to rate this ref.

Under the cosh.  Game is on a knife edge.

Wrong thread.

Well Done All Whites

Re the broadcast, missed the game live... thanks for the link on YF for the replay btw

I think if the OFC got a little proactive they could rapidly build a compelling business case for live broadcast streaming.

For starters there are huge island communities in Australia, NZ (even the US) and scattered around the world who would watch these tournaments if thecosts are kept low and were marketed well via social media to their expat communities ...did you see Facebook and YouTube signs around the stadium?

  The OFC should set up a marketing dept with their broadcast unit and get ad sponsorship sorted.For instance, the ANZ advertised around the ground too. The opportunity for ANZ Bank alone to have secured the rights and then market products to those expat communities whose teams are involved in this tournament was staggering.

Once the OFC grow their expertise and improve the quality of the broadcast there's a growing opportunity to broadcast to these communities in the islands and their expat communities around the world.

NZ'S PROSPECTIVE OPPONENTS IN OCEANIA/ CONCACAF PLAY-OFFS:

THIRD ROUND CONCACAF QUALIFYING STARTS NEXT SATURDAY 9 JUNE (NZ TIME)

CONCACAF are on to their third round of qualifying already (12 teams left in three groups of four). SEE:

http://www.fifa.com/worldcup/preliminaries/nccamerica/standings/index.html

Remaining teams from which NZ will play fourth best: those in first round of stage three qualifiers:

08/06/12 14:00 Havana   Cuba     v      Canada    /  

08/06/12 19:00

Mexico City   Mexico  v      Guyana   /  

08/06/12 19:11

Tampa   USA   v      Antigua and Barbuda/  

08/06/12 19:30

San Pedro Sula   Honduras    v  Panama  /  

08/06/12 20:00

San Jose   Costa Rica     v  El Salvador  /  

08/06/12 20:30

Kingston   Jamaica    v  Guatemala  

FOURTH ROUND CONCACAF:

The fourth round will see the 3 group winners and 3 runners-up from the third round compete in a single group. The matches are scheduled to be played from 6 February to 15 October 2013.

The top three teams will qualify directly for the 2014 FIFA World Cup finals, while the fourth-placed team will enter the intercontinental play-offs.

The way the three Stage Three qualifying grups are composed, it's likely USA, Mexico and Panama will win their groups, whilst  I predict Jamaica, Costa Rica and Honduras will be the three group runners-up who will make the Fourth Round.

In the end, I predict Mexico, USA and Costa Rica will qualify directly (top three teams), leaving the All Whites to play off against either Panama, Jamaica or Honduras - and we've played two of those recently...

World Rankings: El Salvador: 49  , Jamaica: 51, Panama: 52, Costa Rica: 59, Honduras: 62, Canada: 75, Guatamala: 83  

Panama and Costa Rica are of similar ability but I like the look of Costa Rica- their loss to Guatamala on Saturday was their first in eight matches and they've drawn with world champions Spain, beaten the USA and lost only 1-0 to Brazil over the last year or so. Costa Rica have a strong squad with the best overseas-based players of any in Central America- Bryan Ruiz (Fulham), Joel Campbell (Arsenal), goalie Navas (Levante, Spanish La Liga), several in Scandinavia and in MLS. They made the 2002 and 2006 World Cups too.

Some recent friendly results involving these teams: Note Honduras thrashed El Salvador 3-0 yesterday.

01.06.12     GUATAMALA  1:0 (1:0)  COSTA RICA /   25.05.12     CRC 3:2 (2:1) GUAT /   25.04.12     GUAT 0:1 (0:1)PARAGUAY /  

02.06.12   EL SAL 0:3 (0:1)  HON /   26.05.12   HON 0:1 (0:1)  NZL /   11.04.12   CRC 1:1 (0:1)  HON /   01.06.12   PAN   2:1 (1:1)  JAM /    27.05.12   JAM   0:1 (0:1)  PAN /