So we might play a 4th tier US team on weds. Facepalm gif pls
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The Road To Brazil 2014 via Wellington feat. Mexico
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It's this kind of crap that stopped half our guys playing for the aws for five years. This is amateurish stuff, get through these matches supporting the team sure, but heads must roll after this. This cannot be good enough
Heads have already rolled JD, I think that's a big part of the problem.
McKavanagh jumped before he was pushed as recently as July and maybe a failure to have something sorted for the Sept and Oct windows was part of the reason? Whatever, his performance must have been pretty poor for the situation we find ourselves now in to be the lesser of two evils.
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The club side games have been resolved - news just through tonight:
http://nz.sports.yahoo.com/football/news/article/-/19302553/all-whites-schedule-still-uncertain/
..". their fixture against Mexican Liga MX club side Queretaro on Wednesday fell through.
Matches against Major League Soccer's Chivas USA on Saturday, and Trinidad and Tobago in Port of Spain on October 15 are confirmed.
There is now the possibility of a training run against Premier League Development club side Ventura County Fusion on Wednesday in Los Angeles.
Fusion are no strangers to taking on international teams, having recently drawn 1-1 with Canada."
Big Pete 65, Christchurch
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Radio sport keeps insisting ian hogg is suspended for this tour
Not quiet correct.
Ian Hogg, who is suspended for the first leg of the intercontinental playoff, has also not been considered for this tour.
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...But this is NZ. We dreg up players with no clubs or no current form so any pro like Tuiloma was always going to be on the radar. His selection is more about the current depth of NZ football than anything else.
I don't see why Ricki felt the need to call up players not playing when the likes of Daniel and Fitzgerald are available... has Ricki fallen out with Fitzgerald, got to be better then most of the fringe players selected.
AW selection feels a bit like a 50c sweet mix. You don't know what your going to get but you know it will have one or two jems but will be mostly rubbish.
Supporter world's best and worst football teams: Waikato/WaiBop, Kingz, Knights, Phoenix, The Argyle, The Whites & the All Whites
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I think they made a decision that they wanted games in Sth America or Los Angeles and in NZ to replicate home and away. When it started looking like that wasn't going to work they have focussed on playing 2 international matches in that area. No internationals sides show interest so they look at club teams - this is where the wheels start to fall off this plan and alternative options looked at - unfortunately this stage seemed to be reached about 2 weeks ago not 2 months ago when we could have started looking at other options. Now the club teams are falling through they're saying actually that doesn't matter and it's just good to get the players together for a camp.
Frankly, that's rubbish.
When they couldn't get the games in LA they should have looked at meaningful internationals in other parts of the world - proper competitive matches are important at this stage. Aussie are playing Canada at Craven Cottage next Tuesday in London. Craven Cottage is always available for international friendlies - I don't know the economics but why couldn't we get a fixture there?
Off topic but am looking forward to that game next week. Aussies play regularly in the UK which is great, seem the twice in London as well as Cardiff. Cheap tickets too.
I wish NZF had someone on the board with the nous to arrange games against your Wales/Scotlands/San Morinos/Slovenias/Slovakias/Latvias this way.
Supporter world's best and worst football teams: Waikato/WaiBop, Kingz, Knights, Phoenix, The Argyle, The Whites & the All Whites
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Brilliant. One day they'll look back on this as 'the 50 cent mix campaign', or 'the 50 cent mix years'.
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Why was Boxall not considered? Surely he's better than a lot of those who have been selected - he's playing professionally!
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Scott is dependable without being a standout, while Roux is an unknown quantity at this level. Ricki is not really a risk-taker, and I guess that is shown here. Maybe he should be, I don't know. But I haven't seen Roux more than once/twice so I'm not going to start pretending I know more than the All Whites staff who would have watched him play.
Ricki is very slow to change his mind about players it seems. I think Payne and Howieson might have been been forced upon him by Emblin.
I'm not so sure that Ricki and others do that much scouting. Are they ever seen at ACFC, Waitak, CCM etc. friendlies or competitive matches (Emblin aside)?
Supporter world's best and worst football teams: Waikato/WaiBop, Kingz, Knights, Phoenix, The Argyle, The Whites & the All Whites
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Some clips of Ventura County Fusion, the All Whites' possible opponents on Thurs. (NZT) who are a local LA side playing in the "Premier Development League" but seem to play some big sides every year,
incl Swansea City on their US tour July 2012 (many first-teamers and only won 1-0):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=phmHzC_yVfk
Match details from BBC: http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/19035708
v Canada 1-1 draw, July: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U3vYc_XVAe0
Big Pete 65, Christchurch
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Everyone keeps saying how good Durante is, if he was that good, he'd be playing for the Australians. He made their squad once and never got on the field so I think that tells you how good he is. Do you really believe that he would have become a citizen if he thought he could've made the Australian side?
Durante is 31, Sigmund is 32, Boxall is 25. Who do you think is a better pick long term? However looking at NZ soccer, I wouldn't be surprised if Durante and Sigmund were selected in their mid 30's even if they had no club. Although they'll probably be playing NZFC at that stage as it's unlikely any other professional side is going to sign them when they've finished at the Nix.
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It's this kind of crap that stopped half our guys playing for the aws for five years. This is amateurish stuff, get through these matches supporting the team sure, but heads must roll after this. This cannot be good enough
Heads have already rolled JD, I think that's a big part of the problem.
McKavanagh jumped before he was pushed as recently as July and maybe a failure to have something sorted for the Sept and Oct windows was part of the reason? Whatever, his performance must have been pretty poor for the situation we find ourselves now in to be the lesser of two evils.
I don't see how that's the case - there are adequate staff members in senior positions to organise these matches. McCavanagh left in July. To me this is as much a strategic failure - we've focussed on getting matches in LA etc to replicate the possible logistics of the away playoff game, which is understandable. But there's no point doing that and not actually playing proper football games which has to be the purpose of this trip
Normo's coming home
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But in the short term we need to qualify for the World Cup next month. I agree with you if it were this time next year and we were playing friendlies.
Him not being able to make it into the Australian side is irrelevant. If boxall were eligible for them, he wouldn't make the Australian squad either.
Allegedly
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Shane Smeltz planning to return to action Round 4 of A-League Nov. 2 - AW's play-off first leg Nov. 14 - sounding good !!!
Big Pete 65, Christchurch
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For memory I think the last crop of NZ U20s played against Ventura County prior to their WC. Ventura won I think.
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For memory I think the last crop of NZ U20s played against Ventura County prior to their WC. Ventura won I think.
Imagine if we lost to Ventura IMAGINE the horror
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For memory I think the last crop of NZ U20s played against Ventura County prior to their WC. Ventura won I think.
Imagine if we lost to Ventura IMAGINE the horror
Mexico are gonna be laughing while watching these games. By half time I reckon they'd already have their flights to Rio booked.
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For memory I think the last crop of NZ U20s played against Ventura County prior to their WC. Ventura won I think.
Imagine if we lost to Ventura IMAGINE the horror
Mexico are gonna be laughing while watching these games. By half time I reckon they'd already have their flights to Rio booked.
I still think we'll be playing Panama.
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People you all need to relax, SBW is going to play for us in the play offs and save the day.
I'm sorry couldn't help it.
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If we do play mexico in the form they are in I'd say we have some sort of a chance, the problem is all they have to do is flick the switch and they become a team that we have no chance against. So I suppose the question is can they find their Mojo?
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A small town in Europe........looking to bounce straight back up....well that aint going to happen
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It's this kind of crap that stopped half our guys playing for the aws for five years. This is amateurish stuff, get through these matches supporting the team sure, but heads must roll after this. This cannot be good enough
Heads have already rolled JD, I think that's a big part of the problem.
McKavanagh jumped before he was pushed as recently as July and maybe a failure to have something sorted for the Sept and Oct windows was part of the reason? Whatever, his performance must have been pretty poor for the situation we find ourselves now in to be the lesser of two evils.
I don't see how that's the case - there are adequate staff members in senior positions to organise these matches. McCavanagh left in July. To me this is as much a strategic failure - we've focussed on getting matches in LA etc to replicate the possible logistics of the away playoff game, which is understandable. But there's no point doing that and not actually playing proper football games which has to be the purpose of this trip
Yeah sure, but would there have been any less angst if we were playing two games in London against say, Canada and Australia in this window? Maybe there wouldn't, but it's pretty subjective whether that would actually represent better preparation or not.
Re: your statement that "there are adequate staff members in senior positions to organise these matches" I'm not so sure. Unless there are some senior staff missing from this page then I can't see who would have that responsibility apart from the Chief Exec or the High Performance Manager. So if it was meant to be McKavanagh's job and that left Aspden and/or de Jong running around trying to arrange fixtures at short notice then I have some sympathy for them. If it was de Jong's job all along then he's the architect of his own misfortune and probably hasn't done his chances of being CE any good.
People like to talk about NZF's "huge" $10m budget but I think we sometimes tend to forget what a small organisation NZF actually is. Having a senior staff member resign actually has a big impact.
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For memory I think the last crop of NZ U20s played against Ventura County prior to their WC. Ventura won I think.
Imagine if we lost to Ventura IMAGINE the horror
That game shouldn't even be on the radar. International teams organise these kind of opposed training games all the time without it even being noticed or discussed.
If we were still playing Queretaro, we easily could have lost to them though. Hopefully we will cruise past Chivas.
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A fascinating week ahead folks - & is the AW's destiny in their hands or that of others? It's the $ 10 million question:
http://www.concacaf.com/category/world-cup-qualifying-men
All times NZ Time:
HON
Sat. 12 10:00 am CRC
USA
Sat.12 11:36 am JAM
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MEX
Sat.12 2:30 pm PAN
FINAL ROUND:
WEDNES. 16/10/13 14:30 Costa Rica v Mexico 14:30 Jamaica v Honduras 14:30 Panama v USA
Mexico squad latest: http://www.concacaf.com/article/hernandez-heads-mexico-roster-for-key-wcqs
Panama federation: http://fepafut.com/
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Great 70's music video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PbgIBitqvHo
"The hand of fate is on me now
It pick me up and knock me down
I'm on the run, I'm prison bound
The hand of fate is heavy now
I killed a man, I'm highway bound
The wheel of fortune keeps turning round
Turning round, turning round
I should have known it was a one horse town
I'm on the run, I hear the hounds
My luck is up, my chips are down
So goodbye baby, so long now
Wish me luck, I'm going to need it child
The hand of fate is on me now
Yeah it's too late
Too late baby, too late now
The hand of fate is on me now
The hand of fate is heavy now
It pick you up and knock you down "
Big Pete 65, Christchurch
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People you all need to relax, SBW is going to play for us in the play offs and save the day.
I'm sorry couldn't help it.
I remember Dan Carter played a game of soccer in his free time and there was a freak out- what if he gets injured and there's no insurance???? and I spent 6 months saying Terry should sign him up..good left wing, or deep lying play-maker, perhaps left back...
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maybe NZF shoulda got a couple of temps or work experience guys in?
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Hell, we need some humour - noticed the Hondurans and Panamanians are having a field day over neighbour Mexico's poor form and making many mocking cartoons. Also Mexican TV are lampooning their team.
Much of it is lost on me because I don't understand Spanish but you can get the general idea from some e.g. this one has current Mexican players praying to former greats to save them etc. and is pretty funny:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LJDiHamuAo8
This one has the All Whites (The "Super Mice" i.e. underdogs that bite) v Mexico at the Azteca & is pretty well done with the All Whites like big Nordic warriors - and scoring first - some nervousness here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R2_ltgQUWb0
Panama mocks Mexico: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SL_REZTFTYo
(Incredibly strong language in the comments below the video here - no love lost!)
Chicharito is a has-been: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yCgWX31TkaY
Hitler learns Mexico has lost to Honduras: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l-8ovGjMPew
Big Pete 65, Christchurch
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Mexico vs Panama is huge. I reckon Mexico will win at home. Since they dumped their coach they have had some top players like carlos Vela come back into the side(they refused to play for the other guy)
The following week its Mexico vs Costa rica....who have already qualified and Panama against the USA who have qualified as well. So it all depends on how motivated USA and Costa Rica are in these games.
I just think that Mexico is too powerful a football country with too many high quality players to slip up in these two games. They could well win at home and a point in the second game could be enough.
So then it could be AW vs Panama. Then its game on. Panama are better than Bahrain but not by much. They have a couple of quality players but they are not a great great side. Plus they are hugely inexperinced at major playoffs/WC's so and will come under enormous pressure. Coming to a wet cold Wellington to play an Anglo kick and rush team will be way outside their experiance. We would have a decent shot against Panama.
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Mexico vs. Panama may be the big game but New Zealand could play Honduras or maybe Jamaica.
If the All Whites get Panama. Herbert WILL break the national record of wins. Which stands at 23 matches at the moment.
My Predictions:
Honduras
H - Costa Rica 0-2
A - Jamaica 3-0
Jamaica
A - United States 0-4
H - Honduras 0-3
Mexico
H - Panama 1-1
A - Costa Rica 0-2
Panama
A - Mexico 1-1
H - United States 1-1
| Team |
P |
W |
D |
L |
F |
A |
GD |
Pts |
| United States |
10 |
6 |
2 |
2 |
15 |
7 |
8 |
20 |
| Costa Rica |
10 |
5 |
3 |
1 |
15 |
5 |
10 |
18 |
| Honduras |
10 |
4 |
2 |
4 |
13 |
12 |
1 |
14 |
| Panama |
10 |
1 |
7 |
2 |
9 |
11 |
-2 |
10 |
| Mexico |
10 |
1 |
6 |
3 |
5 |
9 |
-4 |
9 |
| Jamaica |
10 |
0 |
4 |
6 |
3 |
16 |
-13 |
4 |
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I can't see Panama getting results in their last two games against the US and Mexico..
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Mexico vs Panama is huge. I reckon Mexico will win at home. Since they dumped their coach they have had some top players like carlos Vela come back into the side(they refused to play for the other guy)
The following week its Mexico vs Costa rica....who have already qualified and Panama against the USA who have qualified as well. So it all depends on how motivated USA and Costa Rica are in these games.
I just think that Mexico is too powerful a football country with too many high quality players to slip up in these two games. They could well win at home and a point in the second game could be enough.
Despite Carlos Vela being recalled and scoring against the All Whites in this Mexican TV animation a few weeks ago (the first time the All Whites have featured in a TV animated film I'd imagine): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R2_ltgQUWb0
...in real life he wasn't recalled by the new coach -the rift with the Mexican FA seems to be unbridgable.
Mexican squad of 26 announced here - got together last Sunday - no Vela & the only four overseas players are Javier Hernandez (FW, Manchester United/England), Giovani Dos Santos (FW, Villarreal/Spain), Javier Aquino (MF, Villarreal/Spain), Guillermo Ochoa (GK, Ajaccio/France):
http://www.concacaf.com/article/hernandez-heads-mexico-roster-for-key-wcqs
Players injured: Damian Alvarez (right calf), Hector Moreno (right hamstring) and goalkeeper Jonathan Orozco (left shoulder) are all out due to injuries. Hence the call-up for previously discarded goalie Ochoa.
Incredibly, there are 32 players not in this squad called up by Mexico over the last year and now discarded - indicates the sort of crisis they've been in and inability to find a settled line-up. 58 players called into Mexico squads over the last year - maybe a record for recent times in world football?
I guess Mexico are due for a win eventually after only one so far in this qualifying group - but absolutely anything could happen.
New coach Vucetich (a Mexican of Croatian ancestry) has dropped many under-performing Europe-based players.
Informative preview of Mexico v Panama published earlier today:
"In keeping faith the old guard and refusing to blood the exciting new generation of players in combination with his safety-first tactics, headlined by the insistence on selecting two functional central midfielders, Chepo sucked the life out of his team and the once imposing Azteca. It is telling that one of new coach Victor Manuel Vucetitch first headline decisions was to leave Chepo’s captain Francisco “Maza” Rodriguez out of his squad for the crunch fixtures against Panama and Costa Rica. The 31-year-old center-back had become something of a liability in the back line with his lack of pace, but Chepo had kept the faith.
Intriguingly, though, it is not the rising talent of Diego Reyes who will replace Rodriguez against Panama. An absence of playing time with new club Porto has seen Reyes, along with teammate Hector Herrera, left out of the squad. Instead Vucetitch has recalled 34-year-old former Barcelona and New York Redbulls man Rafael Marquez. Now at Liga MX side Leon, Marquez is widely expected to start in central defense against Panama, despite not playing a competitive international since that Gold Cup final over two years ago.
Indeed, Vucetich has shown a clear preference for those playing regularly and in form. Andres Guardado, another under-performing mainstay under Chepo, has also been discarded by Vucetich, who has likely also considered that the winger has been playing out of position at left-back with Valencia."
Big Pete 65, Christchurch
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4-5-1 ?? LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL
Spurs 0 West Ham 3 (Reid, Vaz Te, Morrison)
Big Sam organised his his team into an unorthodox 4 - 6 formation .... After 65 mins in lookeed like the best they could hope for was another goalless draw. Fourteen minutes later the wait for West Ham's first away goal of the campaign had been ended not just once but 3 times.
The midfield had clearly all been encouraged to break forward. "I told them, you have licence to play counter-attack, and if you do that well you'll expose the spaces Tottenham leave because the more defensively sound we are the more frustrated they'll get." Although West Ham were often defending with 10 men behind the ball, they were always dangerous from set pieces. ... (At final whistle) Spurs fans resembled the shocked victims of a mugging.
4-5-1 IMO could be the way to go, in the away match at least.
"At the end of the drive the lawmen arrive...
I'll take my chance because luck is on my side or something...
Her name is Rio, she don't need to understand...
Oh Rio, Rio, hear them shout across the land..."
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Mexico vs Panama is huge. I reckon Mexico will win at home. Since they dumped their coach they have had some top players like carlos Vela come back into the side(they refused to play for the other guy)
The following week its Mexico vs Costa rica....who have already qualified and Panama against the USA who have qualified as well. So it all depends on how motivated USA and Costa Rica are in these games.
I just think that Mexico is too powerful a football country with too many high quality players to slip up in these two games. They could well win at home and a point in the second game could be enough.
So then it could be AW vs Panama. Then its game on. Panama are better than Bahrain but not by much. They have a couple of quality players but they are not a great great side. Plus they are hugely inexperinced at major playoffs/WC's so and will come under enormous pressure. Coming to a wet cold Wellington to play an Anglo kick and rush team will be way outside their experiance. We would have a decent shot against Panama.
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Mexican club seeks sanction against All Whites
Updated at 11:26 am today
Mexican first division side Queretaro will seek a FIFA sanction against New Zealand for cancelling a friendly scheduled for Saturday in Mexico.
The game was billed as a New Zealand warm-up for a World Cup qualifying playoff against Mexico or another CONCACAF team in November.
In a statement, Queretaro says the New Zealand Federation withdrew unilaterally from the commitment after formally confirming they were taking part
It says it will make known its dissatisfaction before the pertinent judicial bodies and ask for a sports sanction through the International Football Federation.
The All Whites flew out to Los Angeles this week to prepare for World Cup qualification matches next month.
New Zealand qualified as Oceania winners for a two-legged playoff in November against the team finishing in fourth place in the final CONCACAF group next week.
After difficulty confirming its schedule, the All Whites yesterday announced they'd play a match against the Major League Soccer team Chivas USA this Sunday, then a friendly international against Trinidad and Tobago next week.
Earlier in the week, New Zealand Football high performance director Fred de Jong reportedly said the team had two options; play a game in Mexico against Queretaro FC, or stay in LA and look to play Chivas USA.
New Zealand Football's interim chief executive Mark Aspden could not be reached for comment.
http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/sport/224255/mexican-club-seeks-sanction-against-all-whites
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What can happen next on this trip to Brazil because I truly believe there is more wackiness to come...
"At the end of the drive the lawmen arrive...
I'll take my chance because luck is on my side or something...
Her name is Rio, she don't need to understand...
Oh Rio, Rio, hear them shout across the land..."
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4-6-0 it is
Moss
Bertos Reid Smith Lochead
Rojas Payne Ivan McGlinchey Henderson/Kosta
Wood
"At the end of the drive the lawmen arrive...
I'll take my chance because luck is on my side or something...
Her name is Rio, she don't need to understand...
Oh Rio, Rio, hear them shout across the land..."
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"Quick boys..forget about parking the bus..we are back on it and going to Mehico"
A small town in Europe........looking to bounce straight back up....well that aint going to happen
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