All Whites, Ferns, and other international teams

Vs Mexico 1st Leg Thurs 14th 9:30am SS2

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over 12 years ago

maybe Mexico will get complacent, we'll bang in a couple of early goals and they'll fall to pieces. If we do start our young fullas Mexico might also be completely surprised at the difference, and on top of the travel they might choke big time.

 

Modern science must be pretty close to genetically engineering flying pigs by now

 

People like Coldplay and voted for the Nazis. You can't trust people.

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over 12 years ago

still waiting to see what Herbert had to say, and more interested to see if any Nz Journo asked him the hard questions, or

was it just the usual fluff?

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over 12 years ago
TheJam wrote:
AllBlackCats wrote:

Team for the second leg :-)




Michael Boxall (back row, second left) should definitely get a run.

haha funny! But seriously, surely they might look at calling him up.
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over 12 years ago
threatD wrote:

Well that escalated quickly....

sack ricki

" If you only have a hammer you tend to see every problem as a nail" - maslow

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over 12 years ago
el grapadura wrote:
2ndBest wrote:

Far too much angst in here. Not sure what people expected. Always going to be a tough battle regardless of the team selection, formation and strategy.

 

QFT


Too much angst ? Pffft
Yes it was always going to be tough. Are you  saying you are happy with the "let them come to us easily and then try and win the last ball" tactics ?
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over 12 years ago

maybe Mexico will get complacent, we'll bang in a couple of early goals and they'll fall to pieces. If we do start our young fullas Mexico might also be completely surprised at the difference, and on top of the travel they might choke big time.

 

Modern science must be pretty close to genetically engineering flying pigs by now

 



"Phoenix till they lose"

Posting 97% bollox, 8% lies and 3.658% genuine opinion. 

Genuine opinion: FTFFA

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over 12 years ago

 What a shame we can't play this team next week:

               Moss

Tuiloma  Boxall  Smith   Roux

           Payne    James

Rojas     McGlinchey     Kosta

            Wood

Subs: Howieson, Spoonley, Henderson, Keat, Smeltz

Kotahitanga. We are one.

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over 12 years ago

Think we just have to accept that we are four goals worse than a decent Mexican team.


Yellow Fever - Misery loves company

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over 12 years ago
brettdale55 wrote:

still waiting to see what Herbert had to say, and more interested to see if any Nz Journo asked him the hard questions, or

was it just the usual fluff?



Questions like 'why haven't you magically created a competent midfield to take on the 24th ranked nation in the world' ?
Questions like 'how did you not plan for mental breakdowns from our defenders' ?

I'm no Ricki apologist but he was on a hiding to nothing here.

How's my driving? - Whine here

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over 12 years ago

 What a shame we can't play this team next week:

               Moss

Tuiloma  Boxall  Smith   Roux

           Payne    James

Rojas     McGlinchey     Kosta

            Wood

Subs: Howieson, Spoonley, Henderson, Keat, Smeltz



We'd lose 12-4

How's my driving? - Whine here

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over 12 years ago

Tab are the world biggest stingy motherfu****s.


Only offering Nz now 25 to one to make the world cup, and and NZ are just $4.40 to win in wellington.

On a better note, mexico to win in wellington are 1.75

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over 12 years ago
Hard News wrote:
brettdale55 wrote:

still waiting to see what Herbert had to say, and more interested to see if any Nz Journo asked him the hard questions, or

was it just the usual fluff?



Questions like 'why haven't you magically created a competent midfield to take on the 24th ranked nation in the world' ?
Questions like 'how did you not plan for mental breakdowns from our defenders' ?

I'm no Ricki apologist but he was on a hiding to nothing here.


He put himself in that position by picking the squad/team that he did.
Nix, Leyton Orient and Alloa Athletic supporting schmuck.

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over 12 years ago
Seb wrote:

If we were to win on aggregate after losing 5-1 and go through to Brazil, it would be one of the biggest upsets in sporting history in my opinion.


We should tell Dean Barker that. Might make him feel better :)

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over 12 years ago
el grapadura wrote:
2ndBest wrote:

Far too much angst in here. Not sure what people expected. Always going to be a tough battle regardless of the team selection, formation and strategy.

 

QFT


Agreed.
And anyone booing Herbert anywhere near me at Westpac is going to get a punch in the face (or possibly just a menacing glare).
Yes, he's run out of ideas and yes, it's time to go but he's done a lot for football in NZ and doesn't deserve that crap.

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over 12 years ago

Who else should he have picked then?

Apart from Siggy for Christie that was the best side we had available.  Instead of scapegoating some people need to accept that we just don't have 11 players good enough.

How's my driving? - Whine here

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over 12 years ago

Maybe we can find what that Indoesnian ref is doing who did the kuwait game all those years ago?

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over 12 years ago
brettdale55 wrote:

Tab are the world biggest stingy motherfu****s.


Only offering Nz now 25 to one to make the world cup, and and NZ are just $4.40 to win in wellington.

On a better note, mexico to win in wellington are 1.75

 

1.75 is good considering the evidence.

Won't last long so on it for $100

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over 12 years ago

We didnt really show up...although Im not saying we would definately have won, but it was just such a slack performance.  The more skilled players coming on made a difference (James, Rojas) and we need to bring more of that type into the team.  Lets try to keep the ball more, in the second half it was getting better...but the marking was horrid...conceding basically 4 goals from crosses (3 headers and the first goal from a panic header from Durante playing too deep) aint good enough, especially when thats supposed to be the one thing we are good at.  I hope we play a 4/3/3 or similar in Wellington and have a go...we probably wont get 4-0, but even if we get a victory, that will be something to build on....Here is something to hold on to...the last time Mexico came to NZ,  we won....4-0...anyone praying for a miracle, start attending the alter now LOL

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over 12 years ago
terminator_x wrote:
el grapadura wrote:
2ndBest wrote:

Far too much angst in here. Not sure what people expected. Always going to be a tough battle regardless of the team selection, formation and strategy.



 

QFT


Agreed.

And anyone booing Herbert anywhere near me at Westpac is going to get a punch in the face (or possibly just a menacing glare).

Yes, he's run out of ideas and yes, it's time to go but he's done a lot for football in NZ and doesn't deserve that crap.



well not even herby will park the bus when his team needs four goals, thats just two goals a half!
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over 12 years ago
hepatitis wrote:
el grapadura wrote:
2ndBest wrote:

Far too much angst in here. Not sure what people expected. Always going to be a tough battle regardless of the team selection, formation and strategy.

 

QFT


Too much angst ? Pffft
Yes it was always going to be tough. Are you  saying you are happy with the "let them come to us easily and then try and win the last ball" tactics ?

So you're saying that players who can barely string three passes together and can't attack with good structure against New Caledonia and Tahiti should have gone out all guns blazing against Mexico?

Interesting.

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over 12 years ago
Hard News wrote:

Who else should he have picked then?

Apart from Siggy for Christie that was the best side we had available.  Instead of scapegoating some people need to accept that we just don't have 11 players good enough.



No it wasn't. Are you telling me Lochhead and Bertos are better picks than Tuiloma or Roux? Vicelich over Keat? Hell, Aaron Scott's a better player than Bertos now.
Nix, Leyton Orient and Alloa Athletic supporting schmuck.

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over 12 years ago
patrick478 wrote:

Think we just have to accept that we are four goals worse than a decent Mexican team.

I don't buy this sorry. At least two of those goals were the result of atrocious marking. No doubt we should have got beat, but there's no excuse for those ones. Hard to say what would have happened if we'd come out of shells sooner too but the Mexican defense

 didn't look particularly solid. I'd say 2 goals is probably a more realistic difference between the two sides than four

 

People like Coldplay and voted for the Nazis. You can't trust people.

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over 12 years ago

Russia 2018 (age in brackets)

*touch and go whether they will emerge

Goalkeepers; Glen Moss (34), Jacob Spoonley (30), *Jacob Gleeson (27), *Scott Basalaj (22)

Defenders: Storm Roux (24), Bill Tuiloma (22), Michael Fitzgerald (28), *Luke Adams (23), *Michael Boxall (29), Winston Reid (29), Tommy Smith (27)

Midfielders: *Louis Fenton (24), Cameron Howieson (22), Tim Payne (23), Marco Rojas (26), Craig Henderson (30), *Alex Rufer (21), *Matthew Ridenton (21), Jason Hicks (27), Michael McGlinchey (30), Ryan Thomas (22)

Forwards: Chris Wood (25), Jeremy Brockie (30), *Tyler Boyd (22)



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over 12 years ago

You simply don't play zonal marking defending against corners without a squad that haven't practiced a long time, or without a fantastic commanding CB.

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over 12 years ago
el grapadura wrote:
hepatitis wrote:
el grapadura wrote:
2ndBest wrote:

Far too much angst in here. Not sure what people expected. Always going to be a tough battle regardless of the team selection, formation and strategy.

 

QFT


Too much angst ? Pffft
Yes it was always going to be tough. Are you  saying you are happy with the "let them come to us easily and then try and win the last ball" tactics ?

So you're saying that players who can barely string three passes together and can't attack with good structure against New Caledonia and Tahiti should have gone out all guns blazing against Mexico?

Interesting.


not all guns, maybe just one 9mm.
I like tautologies because I like them.
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over 12 years ago
TheJam wrote:
Hard News wrote:

Who else should he have picked then?

Apart from Siggy for Christie that was the best side we had available.  Instead of scapegoating some people need to accept that we just don't have 11 players good enough.



No it wasn't. Are you telling me Lochhead and Bertos are better picks than Tuiloma or Roux? Vicelich over Keat?

Vicelich is better than Keat. Tuiloma has not played a top-level game in his life, Roux has a handful of A-league games. They are the future, but in this type of situation most managers in the world would stick with guys who have experience and who have been there, done that.

Christie is a different story, but a fairly minor one in the big scheme of things.

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over 12 years ago

Hey Fallon is this what God wanted?

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over 12 years ago
TheJam wrote:
No it wasn't. Are you telling me Lochhead and Bertos are better picks than Tuiloma or Roux? Vicelich over Keat? Hell, Aaron Scott's a better player than Bertos now.


On disclosed form yes.  Neither of them have ever even played for the All Whites, let alone in a match like that.  I can imagine how Ricki would be strung up if he started those two and we got done 5-1.  All we'd be hearing was that he was in idiot for not valuing experience.

How's my driving? - Whine here

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over 12 years ago
el grapadura wrote:
hepatitis wrote:
el grapadura wrote:
2ndBest wrote:

Far too much angst in here. Not sure what people expected. Always going to be a tough battle regardless of the team selection, formation and strategy.

 

QFT


Too much angst ? Pffft
Yes it was always going to be tough. Are you  saying you are happy with the "let them come to us easily and then try and win the last ball" tactics ?

So you're saying that players who can barely string three passes together and can't attack with good structure against New Caledonia and Tahiti should have gone out all guns blazing against Mexico?

Interesting.


Did I say that ?  Are you saying we dont have players that can string three passes together ??
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over 12 years ago

At that level of the game, we don't.

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over 12 years ago

Not so much the tactics as to the selections, for me. Even so, maybe would have saved us a couple of goals, Mexico looked a class above.

Herbert press conference - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UbFf7UvxvPs 

All Whites | Phoenix | Baggies

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over 12 years ago
Junior82 wrote:

maybe Mexico will get complacent, we'll bang in a couple of early goals and they'll fall to pieces. If we do start our young fullas Mexico might also be completely surprised at the difference, and on top of the travel they might choke big time.

 

Modern science must be pretty close to genetically engineering flying pigs by now

 



 

This is going up on my vision board - if I look at it enough, it will happen!!!!!

Its all set up for the Mexicans to choke, provided Herbert play the young guns... 

Masters Grade aint no run in the park on a Saturday...

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over 12 years ago
hepatitis wrote:
el grapadura wrote:
2ndBest wrote:

Far too much angst in here. Not sure what people expected. Always going to be a tough battle regardless of the team selection, formation and strategy.

 

QFT


Too much angst ? Pffft
Yes it was always going to be tough. Are you  saying you are happy with the "let them come to us easily and then try and win the last ball" tactics ?

Best strategy we had. Pushing further forward creates space around and behind the midfield. We aren’t good enough to press in midfield, regardless of who you put in there. Combined with the altitude, they would have passed it around our midfield with ease. Resulting in them having possession in more dangerous positions.

We needed to get players behind the ball and put the onus on them to get past two lines of 5 and 4. Let them knock the ball around in front of us and allow us to conserve energy.  The longer the game stayed tight, the more pressure would have built both from the crowd and from their team.

It was working for most of that half until we coughed up two simple goals that had nothing to do the formation or strategy. If we got to the half at 0-0 it might have been different.

My complaint is with some of the hoofball played. There was a bit of space in that midfield, and they looked suspect at the back at times. For me the question is, was the strategy to get forward asap, or we did we just lack composure on the ball to take advantage of some of that space. I suspect a bit of both.

 

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over 12 years ago
el grapadura wrote:

At that level of the game, we don't.

All Whites 2 Jamaica 3 at Mt Smart, featuring many present All Whites.

A game of good passing movement I thought

"At the end of the drive the lawmen arrive...

I'll take my chance because luck is on my side or something...

Her name is Rio, she don't need to understand...

Oh Rio, Rio, hear them shout across the land..."

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over 12 years ago
Jerzy Merino wrote:
el grapadura wrote:

At that level of the game, we don't.

All Whites 2 Jamaica 3 at Mt Smart, featuring many present All Whites.

A game of good passing movement I thought

Mexico are better than Jamaica, as shown in the Hex.

Yellow Fever - Misery loves company

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over 12 years ago
patrick478 wrote:
Jerzy Merino wrote:
el grapadura wrote:

At that level of the game, we don't.

All Whites 2 Jamaica 3 at Mt Smart, featuring many present All Whites.

A game of good passing movement I thought

Mexico are better than Jamaica, as shown in the Hex.

Not disputing that, disputing we're incapable of stringing passes together to good effect - if encouraged.

"At the end of the drive the lawmen arrive...

I'll take my chance because luck is on my side or something...

Her name is Rio, she don't need to understand...

Oh Rio, Rio, hear them shout across the land..."

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over 12 years ago


On the plus side, at least the suspensions will force changes in the All Whites squad ... hopefully someone will give the young players a chance.

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over 12 years ago
el grapadura wrote:
TheJam wrote:
Hard News wrote:

Who else should he have picked then?

Apart from Siggy for Christie that was the best side we had available.  Instead of scapegoating some people need to accept that we just don't have 11 players good enough.



No it wasn't. Are you telling me Lochhead and Bertos are better picks than Tuiloma or Roux? Vicelich over Keat?

Vicelich is better than Keat. Tuiloma has not played a top-level game in his life, Roux has a handful of A-league games. They are the future, but in this type of situation most managers in the world would stick with guys who have experience and who have been there, done that.

Christie is a different story, but a fairly minor one in the big scheme of things.



Tuiloma's debut should have been ages ago, Roux also. Ricki and his scouts haven't been doing a good enough job. Vicelich might have been better than Keat in 2010, but surely not now.
Nix, Leyton Orient and Alloa Athletic supporting schmuck.

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over 12 years ago

Have you watched:

  • Oceania Nations Cup
  • 2013 U20 World Cup
  • 2013 U17 World Cup.

One social kick-about (we lost) to Jamaica is completely over-whelmed by pretty much every display before or since.  It was an anomally.

How's my driving? - Whine here

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