All Whites, Ferns, and other international teams

Vs Mexico 1st Leg Thurs 14th 9:30am SS2

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over 12 years ago
TheJam wrote:
Smithy wrote:
TheJam wrote:
Smithy wrote:

They're just light years ahead of us, and we were poor defensively. This year's back three (Smith, Dura, Ivan) is light years away from 2009's (Smith, Nelsen, Winston) and the wide defenders (Leo and Lochhead) are four years older and neither of them are playing regularly.


We just aren't good enough. 



Then don't pick them. Pick players who are better and playing. Pick Bill Tuiloma, pick Michael Fitzgerald, pick Cameron Howieson. Play Chris James from the start. Pick Storm Roux. Have some guts as a coach.


This I totally agree with.


But that's different to getting the tactics wrong ya know.



As someone just said, you can't play those tactics with the players he picked.
 
Well, you certainly can't play possession-based football with those players, so I don't know what tactics people were expecting.

If you're going to pick the players Ricki picked, then the only option is to back the big red double decker in. 

I'm completely in agreement with people who are saying we should have picked the next generation and gone for it. 

Incredible stamina. No shame. Yellow Fever.

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over 12 years ago
Stretford End wrote:

Play a team for 2018 in Welly - show punters the future.


This!

Incredible stamina. No shame. Yellow Fever.

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over 12 years ago

Postives: No more Herbert, Vicelich (with respect), Bertos, Lochhead, Christie EVER!!!!


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over 12 years ago
Smithy wrote:
TheJam wrote:
Smithy wrote:
TheJam wrote:
Smithy wrote:

They're just light years ahead of us, and we were poor defensively. This year's back three (Smith, Dura, Ivan) is light years away from 2009's (Smith, Nelsen, Winston) and the wide defenders (Leo and Lochhead) are four years older and neither of them are playing regularly.


We just aren't good enough. 



Then don't pick them. Pick players who are better and playing. Pick Bill Tuiloma, pick Michael Fitzgerald, pick Cameron Howieson. Play Chris James from the start. Pick Storm Roux. Have some guts as a coach.


This I totally agree with.


But that's different to getting the tactics wrong ya know.



As someone just said, you can't play those tactics with the players he picked.

 

Well, you certainly can't play possession-based football with those players, so I don't know what tactics people were expecting.


If you're going to pick the players Ricki picked, then the only option is to back the big red double decker in. 


I'm completely in agreement with people who are saying we should have picked the next generation and gone for it. 

If you're going to park it you need quick mobile defenders and midfield players who don't just stand admiring all the play going on around the box. Didn't see that in team selection today.

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over 12 years ago

Moss

Tuiloma - Smith - Sigmund - Roux

Rojas - McGlinchy - James - Kosta

Smeltz - Wood

Give the games to players who won't retire after the game.

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over 12 years ago
Lee Germon wrote:

Moss

Tuiloma - Smith - Sigmund - Roux

Rojas - McGlinchy - James - Kosta

Smeltz - Wood

Give the games to players who won't retire after the game.

Wood is suspended (isn't he?)
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over 12 years ago


Ricki Herbert: "We get a opportunity. It's two legs. Everybody is disappointed. We let ourselves down tonight."

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over 12 years ago

Would rather boxall than siggy

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over 12 years ago

Will Roux want to play for us now? Considering fullback is a problem position for Australia and if he keeps up his current form, who knows, in the future he may get a Soccerroos gig if he doesn't play in the return leg for NZ.



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over 12 years ago
Lee Germon wrote:
Moss

Tuiloma - Smith - Sigmund - Roux

Rojas - McGlinchy - James - Kosta

Smeltz - Wood

Give the games to players who won't retire after the game.

We've no Wood - gone soft.
E + R + O

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over 12 years ago
ThreeFourThree wrote:


Ricki Herbert: "We get a opportunity. It's two legs. Everybody is disappointed. We let ourselves down tonight."


He didn't say that did he?

Three for me, and two for them.

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over 12 years ago
Seb wrote:

Will Roux want to play for us now? Considering fullback is a problem position for Australia and if he keeps up his current form, who knows, in the future he may get a Soccerroos gig if he doesn't play in the return leg for NZ.




He wants to play for NZ


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over 12 years ago

That was your opportunity Herbert. You cant play that deep or that negative. And you can't rely on old hats (Christie)


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over 12 years ago
Seb wrote:

Will Roux want to play for us now? Considering fullback is a problem position for Australia and if he keeps up his current form, who knows, in the future he may get a Soccerroos gig if he doesn't play in the return leg for NZ.

'Bird in the hand' situation me thinks, but who knows, he may fancy his prospects with the Socceroos in the future.
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over 12 years ago

Here's hoping Ricky just starts our young guns next week. Rojas, Wood, Barbarouses, James, McGlinchy, Fenton, We need to give these players maximum game time, it may be the only positive we can get out of this experience.

“I don’t know what we have to do to win” - David Moyes

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over 12 years ago
EL TV wrote:

Postives: No more Herbert, Vicelich (with respect), Bertos, Lochhead, Christie EVER!!!!

 

Sure about Lochead? Next week?

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over 12 years ago
ThreeFourThree wrote:


Ricki Herbert: "We get a opportunity. It's two legs. Everybody is disappointed. We let ourselves down tonight."



Who is this "we" that he's talking about? Most of the players did their best. They did what most of us expected them to. HE let everyone down by picking players who aren't up to that level of football. Some were once, but aren't now, some never were. Stop passing the buck, man. YOU did it, no-one else.
Nix, Leyton Orient and Alloa Athletic supporting schmuck.

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over 12 years ago
Fenix wrote:
EL TV wrote:

Postives: No more Herbert, Vicelich (with respect), Bertos, Lochhead, Christie EVER!!!!

 

Sure about Lochead? Next week?


After next leg. Christie and Lochhead will no doubt retire. 


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over 12 years ago
brettdale55 wrote:

So Herbert got us to Bahrain in 2010, apart from the Bahrain game, part of his legacy has to be "He never WON us

a game that was important. Im so pissed off at Ricki right now, if we had of gone forward and lost like this, fair enough

but steve summer got it right, the game was lost because of Herberts tactics in the first half, Possession was 81-19.

How the hell did Herbert expect to hold them. Fire Herbert and Frank Van Hattum, those were shocking tactics, its not

so much the results, that was probably always going to happen, but to let mexico dictate the game, because of your own

ego, well that freakin sucks herbert.  Worst coaching in the history of sport, you cant park the bus against mexico, you

shouldnt have  picked christie, you tell the players theyre allowed to dribble and  you dont kick away the ball as soon as 

they get possession. This is on you Herbert, clear and simple. He should've done the decent thing and quit after new caldeonia.


+1
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over 12 years ago

WOOD is suspended for next week... as is Leo and Ivan.

E + R + O

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over 12 years ago

The Westpac game should be all about positively backing the All Whites - who are sure to feature some of the newer guys due to suspensions as much as anything. Lets back the team.

Less whinging about Herbert, Christie or whoever. Why so many people are baggin one player (Christie) is a mystery to me - as far as i could tell he did nothing wrong, and certainly nothing more wrong than anyone else in the team. Our lack of game time and matches together is our biggest problem - you can't blame the coach or players for that. NZ Football and FIFA perhaps. Missing the Confederation Cup has come back to haunt us there I reckon - maybe we can blame the coach or players a bit more for that.

Anyway - its all on for next Wednesday. Lets back the team as much as we can and see if they can turn things around. Even if they don't do enough to qualify (that would be the biggest miracle ever) - lets try and support a positive performance. I'm sick of the whinging.

 

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over 12 years ago
Gordinho wrote:

The Westpac game should be all about positively backing the All Whites - who are sure to feature some of the newer guys due to suspensions as much as anything. Lets back the team.

Less whinging about Herbert, Christie or whoever. Why so many people are baggin one player (Christie) is a mystery to me - as far as i could tell he did nothing wrong, and certainly nothing more wrong than anyone else in the team. Our lack of game time and matches together is our biggest problem - you can't blame the coach or players for that. NZ Football and FIFA perhaps. Missing the Confederation Cup has come back to haunt us there I reckon - maybe we can blame the coach or players a bit more for that.

Anyway - its all on for next Wednesday. Lets back the team as much as we can and see if they can turn things around. Even if they don't do enough to qualify (that would be the biggest miracle ever) - lets try and support a positive performance. I'm sick of the whinging.

 


Oh dear Gordinho, oh dear.


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over 12 years ago
Gordinho wrote:

The Westpac game should be all about positively backing the All Whites - who are sure to feature some of the newer guys due to suspensions as much as anything. Lets back the team.

Less whinging about Herbert, Christie or whoever. Why so many people are baggin one player (Christie) is a mystery to me - as far as i could tell he did nothing wrong, and certainly nothing more wrong than anyone else in the team. Our lack of game time and matches together is our biggest problem - you can't blame the coach or players for that. NZ Football and FIFA perhaps. Missing the Confederation Cup has come back to haunt us there I reckon - maybe we can blame the coach or players a bit more for that.

Anyway - its all on for next Wednesday. Lets back the team as much as we can and see if they can turn things around. Even if they don't do enough to qualify (that would be the biggest miracle ever) - lets try and support a positive performance. I'm sick of the whinging.

 


Top post Gordinho

"Phoenix till they lose"

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over 12 years ago
Gordinho wrote:

The Westpac game should be all about positively backing the All Whites - who are sure to feature some of the newer guys due to suspensions as much as anything. Lets back the team.

Less whinging about Herbert, Christie or whoever. Why so many people are baggin one player (Christie) is a mystery to me - as far as i could tell he did nothing wrong, and certainly nothing more wrong than anyone else in the team. Our lack of game time and matches together is our biggest problem - you can't blame the coach or players for that. NZ Football and FIFA perhaps. Missing the Confederation Cup has come back to haunt us there I reckon - maybe we can blame the coach or players a bit more for that.

Anyway - its all on for next Wednesday. Lets back the team as much as we can and see if they can turn things around. Even if they don't do enough to qualify (that would be the biggest miracle ever) - lets try and support a positive performance. I'm sick of the whinging.

 

While I agree with you, there is always going to be whinging straight after a loss like that and it is only because people care.
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over 12 years ago
Gordinho wrote:

The Westpac game should be all about positively backing the All Whites - who are sure to feature some of the newer guys due to suspensions as much as anything. Lets back the team.

Less whinging about Herbert, Christie or whoever. Why so many people are baggin one player (Christie) is a mystery to me - as far as i could tell he did nothing wrong, and certainly nothing more wrong than anyone else in the team. Our lack of game time and matches together is our biggest problem - you can't blame the coach or players for that. NZ Football and FIFA perhaps. Missing the Confederation Cup has come back to haunt us there I reckon - maybe we can blame the coach or players a bit more for that.

Anyway - its all on for next Wednesday. Lets back the team as much as we can and see if they can turn things around. Even if they don't do enough to qualify (that would be the biggest miracle ever) - lets try and support a positive performance. I'm sick of the whinging.

 

lol

" If you only have a hammer you tend to see every problem as a nail" - maslow

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over 12 years ago · edited over 12 years ago · History
TheJam wrote:
ThreeFourThree wrote:


Ricki Herbert: "We get a opportunity. It's two legs. Everybody is disappointed. We let ourselves down tonight."



Who is this "we" that he's talking about? Most of the players did their best. They did what most of us expected them to. HE let everyone down by picking players who aren't up to that level of football. Some were once, but aren't now, some never were. Stop passing the buck, man. YOU did it, no-one else.
Stop putting all the blame on the manager, players were rubbish. Some of the worse passing I have ever seen by us in that first half. And if we actually made tackles in defense mode it might of worked, it's how we approached every game in the world cup. 

“I don’t know what we have to do to win” - David Moyes

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over 12 years ago
Gordinho wrote:

The Westpac game should be all about positively backing the All Whites - who are sure to feature some of the newer guys due to suspensions as much as anything. Lets back the team.

Less whinging about Herbert, Christie or whoever. Why so many people are baggin one player (Christie) is a mystery to me - as far as i could tell he did nothing wrong, and certainly nothing more wrong than anyone else in the team. Our lack of game time and matches together is our biggest problem - you can't blame the coach or players for that. NZ Football and FIFA perhaps. Missing the Confederation Cup has come back to haunt us there I reckon - maybe we can blame the coach or players a bit more for that.

Anyway - its all on for next Wednesday. Lets back the team as much as we can and see if they can turn things around. Even if they don't do enough to qualify (that would be the biggest miracle ever) - lets try and support a positive performance. I'm sick of the whinging.

 


Quote it.Why Not.
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over 12 years ago


Hard to be positive when our football was so negative (at least until we had conceeded the third goal and Ricki had to actually inject some positive players into the game).

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over 12 years ago


Sad to say but went exactly as I thought. Combination of being nowhere near good enough, poor selections and a shambles of a build up. Ricki's heart clearly isn't it any more and we need to focus on 2018, starting Wednesday. Based on what we saw of the Emblen coached Olympic squad, he is the best bet for next coach.

The sad thing is that with Reid injured, we will no doubt hear a whole lot of excuses. Simple story is we got what we deserved. Let's just hope the likes of Tuiloma, Howieson, Thomas, Rojas etc continue to progress and form the basis of an exciting future

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over 12 years ago

Are you doing what you're doing today because you want to do it, or because it's what you were doing yesterday and it seemed to work?

Get up each morning, look at yourself in the mirror, and see yourself not as someone who is a shit footballer who can't get signed for any club in the world, but as the someone you will become.

My dad used to say, "Why the fuck is Ricki Still coach?". Turns out Dads know best.

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over 12 years ago

On the upside, this has just become the height of irony. 


Incredible stamina. No shame. Yellow Fever.

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over 12 years ago
happydays wrote:


we need to focus on 2018, starting Wednesday. 


Let's just hope the likes of Tuiloma, Howieson, Thomas, Rojas etc continue to progress and form the basis of an exciting future

I believe the children are our future.  Teach them well and let them lead the way.

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over 12 years ago
Spud wrote:
brettdale55 wrote:

So Herbert got us to Bahrain in 2010, apart from the Bahrain game, part of his legacy has to be "He never WON us

a game that was important. Im so pissed off at Ricki right now, if we had of gone forward and lost like this, fair enough

but steve summer got it right, the game was lost because of Herberts tactics in the first half, Possession was 81-19.

How the hell did Herbert expect to hold them. Fire Herbert and Frank Van Hattum, those were shocking tactics, its not

so much the results, that was probably always going to happen, but to let mexico dictate the game, because of your own

ego, well that freakin sucks herbert.  Worst coaching in the history of sport, you cant park the bus against mexico, you

shouldnt have  picked christie, you tell the players theyre allowed to dribble and  you dont kick away the ball as soon as 

they get possession. This is on you Herbert, clear and simple. He should've done the decent thing and quit after new caldeonia.


+1

Don't plus 1 that. Ricki has achieved many firsts for NZ Football. Though someone else will be needed to help us progress past where Ricki has taken us.
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over 12 years ago
DrPhil wrote:

Get up each morning, look at yourself in the mirror, and see yourself not as someone who is a shit footballer who can't get signed for any club in the world, but as the someone you will become.


I used to be a sh!t footballer.  Now I am an overweight middle-aged ex-sh!t footballer.  I see myself as becoming an older ex-sh!t footballer.


Hope your day is going better than mine.


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over 12 years ago
Gordinho wrote:

The Westpac game should be all about positively backing the All Whites - who are sure to feature some of the newer guys due to suspensions as much as anything. Lets back the team.

Less whinging about Herbert, Christie or whoever. Why so many people are baggin one player (Christie) is a mystery to me - as far as i could tell he did nothing wrong, and certainly nothing more wrong than anyone else in the team. Our lack of game time and matches together is our biggest problem - you can't blame the coach or players for that. NZ Football and FIFA perhaps. Missing the Confederation Cup has come back to haunt us there I reckon - maybe we can blame the coach or players a bit more for that.

Anyway - its all on for next Wednesday. Lets back the team as much as we can and see if they can turn things around. Even if they don't do enough to qualify (that would be the biggest miracle ever) - lets try and support a positive performance. I'm sick of the whinging.

Nice piece of positivity, but the appropriate place for that is probably the Vs Mexico 2nd Leg thread. This is the time/place for some angst. Oh, and Christie was shit.
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over 12 years ago

I think we really lacked leadership out there today.......

go gunners

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over 12 years ago

Might have to whip up some Road to Moscow posters lads.

I know, I know, its serious!

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over 12 years ago

Wow. So many things in that game made me so depressed. FUCK! The non-existant marking at set pieces! If we'd actually marked it could've only 4-1 then I'd still have the slightest of hopes for a 3-0 win in Welly. At 5-1... hmmm, there's only a rumour of a whisper of hope. Jeremy Fucking Christie? Ricki Herbert you twat.

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over 12 years ago
Turfmoore wrote:

Might have to whip up some Road to Moscow posters lads.

Or, more appropriately, Road to Nowhere - unless NZ Football starts making some changes ...

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over 12 years ago · edited over 12 years ago · History

What have we learned from today?

(couldn't be @rsed trying to find the thread where I posted previously)


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