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Watching Hi-lights Was Moss the only player to play at his full ability.
YES.
"At the end of the drive the lawmen arrive...
I'll take my chance because luck is on my side or something...
Her name is Rio, she don't need to understand...
Oh Rio, Rio, hear them shout across the land..."
Was not even close to handball but never let facts get in the way of scapegoating
We lost the game because Ricki didn't say much immediately after the game?
Does not compute.
wtf?
"At the end of the drive the lawmen arrive...
I'll take my chance because luck is on my side or something...
Her name is Rio, she don't need to understand...
Oh Rio, Rio, hear them shout across the land..."
Watching Hi-lights Was Moss the only player to play at his full ability.
YES.
Was not even close to handball but never let facts get in the way of scapegoating
We lost the game because Ricki didn't say much immediately after the game?
Does not compute.
Was not even close to handball but never let facts get in the way of scapegoating
It was a clear handball and should have been a penalty JV.
Distracted by his missus.
"At the end of the drive the lawmen arrive...
I'll take my chance because luck is on my side or something...
Her name is Rio, she don't need to understand...
Oh Rio, Rio, hear them shout across the land..."
Whatever is Ricki's managing style is his style. Brian Clough didn't get up from his bench before extra in one game and was called a genius, he did it later in his career and was called weak.
I'm still waiting for Doloras to come out in defence of her husband.
Three for me, and two for them.
Was not even close to handball but never let facts get in the way of scapegoating
It was a clear handball and should have been a penalty JV.
Distracted by his missus.
I'm still waiting for Doloras to come out in defence of her husband.
?
"At the end of the drive the lawmen arrive...
I'll take my chance because luck is on my side or something...
Her name is Rio, she don't need to understand...
Oh Rio, Rio, hear them shout across the land..."
We lost the game because Ricki didn't say much immediately after the game?
Does not compute.
If Brian Turner takes over I give up.
Actually, getting outplayed quite a bit these days
So every 3rd post has been brettdale saying "Ricki is shit" without adding anything of substance. I remember now why I avoid match threads.
I thought the tactics were right and were actually working until a couple of silly errors led us to concede 2 before halftime. Even then Ricki kept up the game plan as 2-0 would have still seen us with a chance. Once we went 3-0 down he went more attacking since we desperately needed that away goal, it wasn't surprising then that we conceded a couple more .
What you can criticise Ricki for is a squad and even a starting XI selection or two (the Christie experiment backfired a bit), the buildup and inconsistent squad and playing XI selections during the buildup.
Also Steve Sumner is an idiot. If we had pressed all game at altitude against Mexico we would have been slaughtered.
Can't really argue with that too much, Christie should not have started.
It's frustrating to read the debate on here about how to play like it's a choice between hit and hope and playing tika taka. Bullsh*t. We have reasonably quick skillful wingers (Rojas and Barborouses) a striker who likes to run onto the ball (Wood) and at least 2 centre mids (James and McGlinchey) who can play those passes down the flanks for those wingers to get on to. And you can't tell me that James would be any worse at defending against a small Mexican team than Christie was and he's a damn sight better with the ball at his feet. I'll accept that maybe Rojas couldn't start cos of injury etc though. And yeah, at altitude that'll tire your striker and wingers but you have subs and if you scored with it then you can go back into your shell a bit.
My point is, we could have still selected a very similar team, sat deep, defended in numbers AND played to our attackers' strengths as well.
I think if you play that completely defensively then you're setting yourself up to make dumb mistakes too, because you're giving the opposition so many chances and putting no pressure on them. On top of that once you do concede a couple your heads go down because you've committed so much to defense and they've scored anyway.
People like Coldplay and voted for the Nazis. You can't trust people.
We lost the game because Ricki didn't say much immediately after the game?
Does not compute.
If you want me to spell it out for you, I will. It illustrates a manager stuck in his ways, devoid of ideas, who has not developed and made changes to his management style, tactics or for that matter team for the last four years. Compute?
Just finished watching the game. Pollyanna as always, here's my analysis:
http://in-the-back-of-the.net/2013/11/14/pollyanna/
2 of those 5 goals were free headers from corners (one of them was actually 2 free headers in a row).
Nothing to do with tactics or selection. Just piss poor defending.
Three for me, and two for them.
Can i just say we played a far better Mexican team in 2010 with a far weaker team than now and didnt play negatively and lost 2-0.
Tactics were v v wrong and Mexico quietly went about their biz with no pressure
+1
A Latino friend of mine from LA thought NZ were "rubbish". Can't believe the 2010 WC results. Had to explain they were two different teams led by a top class coach and defender (Ricki was there too).
Ricki being a kidder till the end will again trot out Lochhead, Christie and maybe even Butler at Westpac. Siggy will slot in for Vicelich, but then of course he's got Aaron Scott too. We've had the Horror at Honairi, now the Agony at the Azteca. Any suggestions for Westpac?
2 of those 5 goals were free headers from corners (one of them was actually 2 free headers in a row).
Nothing to do with tactics or selection. Just piss poor defending.
People like Coldplay and voted for the Nazis. You can't trust people.
Was not even close to handball but never let facts get in the way of scapegoating
It was a clear handball and should have been a penalty JV.
Distracted by his missus.
I don't know how anyone could argue against it not being a penalty. Lochhead clearly swung his arm and moved the ball at least a metre. Another bullet we dodged. Had Mexico capitalized on all of their chances it could have been 8-1
I think the ref felt sorry for us.
2 of those 5 goals were free headers from corners (one of them was actually 2 free headers in a row).
Nothing to do with tactics or selection. Just piss poor defending.
Well I got that wrong...I said 0-5.
Everything has just about been said...the sooner this whole fiasco is over the better. The game went as predicted. Christie was a disaster....which is 100% Herberts fault. You can't select someone to play at this level without them having some match play. Brave Ivan is too slow to play internationally as a CB. We badly missed Reid. The first half tactics were the most depressing football I have ever seen from a NZ side. There is something about Herbert and his tactics that just sucks the life out of football. On a positive note James in particular and Rojas added some spark for 15 mins in the second half before normal transmission resumed.
The really embarassing thing is that after watching NZ bumble there way through draws against low ranked clubs in their LA warmups the Mexican coach decided that a side based on a Mexican club would easily beat NZ(without their star players)...and he was 100% right.
So what now. Herbert will have to make changes for Wellington. Roux should come in as will Fallon. I would imagine James will start too. There is only one person responsible for this mess. Its Herbert...he has been the uber-fuhrer for the last 8 years. The buck has to stop with him. Thanks Ricki for the WC in SA but you should have retired after that.....
I guess after Jordan and NZ both shipping 5 goals in the first leg of their WC playoffs then there will won't be much a strong call for WC expansion to include more slots for Asia and automatic entry for Oceania
Ricki being a kidder till the end will again trot out Lochhead, Christie at Westpac.
Can we get a bet at the TAB on this? Lochead with a start doubled with Christie for a start must be at least 1000/1
Until our mentality doesn't change, nothing will.
The way to go for NZ Football from here:
Start to play more offensively minded football, string some passes together and don't just defend for 90 mins.
We might still lose games, but perhaps we'll look a bit better
Actually, getting outplayed quite a bit these days
Was not even close to handball but never let facts get in the way of scapegoating
It was a clear handball and should have been a penalty JV.
Grumpy old bastard alert
Everyone chill out. It wasnt given. All you can do is laugh about how shit lochhead is.
In fact, it will be on TV again in about 25 min. I suggest you watch it again.
Edit: And when watching it, take this into account from page 119
Handling the ball involves a deliberate act of a player making contact with the ball with his hand or arm. The referee must take the following into consideration:
• the movement of the hand towards the ball (not the ball towards the hand)
• the distance between the opponent and the ball (unexpected ball)
• the position of the hand does not necessarily mean that there is an infringement
• touching the ball with an object held in the hand (clothing, shinguard, etc.) counts as an infringement
• hitting the ball with a thrown object (boot, shinguard, etc.) counts as an infringemen
Grumpy old bastard alert
Are Mexico still rubbish?
In fact, it will be on TV again in about 25 min. I suggest you watch it again.
Just finished watching the game. Pollyanna as always, here's my analysis:
Grumpy old bastard alert
Actually, getting outplayed quite a bit these days
Mexico were just too damned good for us. Hopefully we can get some respect back in Welly. I thought Rory showed some leadership when he came on. Start him in Welly.
Oi Oi Edgecumbe... lets have a clean sheet
In fact, it will be on TV again in about 25 min. I suggest you watch it again.
Edit: And when watching it, take this into account from page 119
Handling the ball involves a deliberate act of a player making contact with the ball with his hand or arm. The referee must take the following into consideration:
• the movement of the hand towards the ball (not the ball towards the hand)
• the distance between the opponent and the ball (unexpected ball)
• the position of the hand does not necessarily mean that there is an infringement
• touching the ball with an object held in the hand (clothing, shinguard, etc.) counts as an infringement
• hitting the ball with a thrown object (boot, shinguard, etc.) counts as an infringemen
If you are old and wise you were probably young and stupid
Have also just watched it on mysky, words that come to mind: embarrassing/pathetic/inadequate/soulless/weak/abysmal..... the list goes one. A disgusting performance, sure Ricki picked the team and 7 out of the starting eleven just aren't up to it at this level. But have some self pride, there was none of that. yuck.