"Buckingham pulled out of the race in early January, signing an extension with Indian Super League club Mumbai City, but the Herald understands he is still in the mix."
This is different to the Herdman speculation in the article because of "the Herald understands" wording. Burgess must have been specifically told by either NZF or Buckingham himself that he is very much still a possibility.
Buckingham spoke a lot about NZ in the interview by Mumbai after he signed his extension (can be found on YouTube). Perhaps he included a clause that allows him to return to NZ?
Mumbai underperformed at the end of the season didn’t they? Maybe there’s some buyer’s remorse…
Yes lost in the semi finals to Krishna's Bengaluru. Mumbai did finish the round robin in 1st. In Buckingham's first season charge (21/22) Mumbai finished 5th & out of the playoffs. The season before in 20/21 they were league winners & also won the the grand final.
Mumbai is India's glamour city, so I'm sure there is pressure for Des to bring success to their football team.
Well here's hoping NZF look at that nzu20 world cup and conclude that there is no way they can appoint Darren to the All Whites post permanently. I'd come to terms with him being interim coach this whole time, worth waiting a little while if it means we get somebody good and we don't have any critical games anytime soon. But now my overriding feeling going into the June friendlies is that I almost want us to do poorly, because a good performance/result or two might see Darren getting the job (though to be fair to NZF I think the fact he hasn't been given the job yet means they have no intention of giving it to him, but the niggling fear remains). It's annoying to have excitement tempered like this. Hopefully we get an appointment sometime soon to put us out of this misery.
Well here's hoping NZF look at that nzu20 world cup and conclude that there is no way they can appoint Darren to the All Whites post permanently. I'd come to terms with him being interim coach this whole time, worth waiting a little while if it means we get somebody good and we don't have any critical games anytime soon. But now my overriding feeling going into the June friendlies is that I almost want us to do poorly, because a good performance/result or two might see Darren getting the job (though to be fair to NZF I think the fact he hasn't been given the job yet means they have no intention of giving it to him, but the niggling fear remains). It's annoying to have excitement tempered like this. Hopefully we get an appointment sometime soon to put us out of this misery.
Either he not getting it or nzf about to use him making knock out rounds as an excuse to give him the job.
please no! Buckingham seems like a long shot to me, he is well entrenched in the City framework, I'd wouldn't be surprised to see him move to the youth teams of City from Mumbai after a season or two there.
Martin O`Neill is in the mix, what could be a major coup by NZ football, can nz afford his salary?
Apparently, in December 2022, O'Neill returned for a second spell as Northern Ireland manager on a five-and-a-half year contract. Would seem to rule him out of the AW's job. Yes?
Martin O`Neill is in the mix, what could be a major coup by NZ football, can nz afford his salary?
Apparently, in December 2022, O'Neill returned for a second spell as Northern Ireland manager on a five-and-a-half year contract. Would seem to rule him out of the AW's job. Yes?
That would be Michael O'Neill (Wikipedia), not to be confused with Martin O'Neill (Wikipedia).
Martin O'Neill hasn't coached since he was sacked by Nottingham Forrest in 2019, but based on a couple of recent interviews is still interested in managing
Martin O`Neill is in the mix, what could be a major coup by NZ football, can nz afford his salary?
Apparently, in December 2022, O'Neill returned for a second spell as Northern Ireland manager on a five-and-a-half year contract. Would seem to rule him out of the AW's job. Yes?
That would be Michael O'Neill (Wikipedia), not to be confused with Martin O'Neill (Wikipedia).
Martin O'Neill hasn't coached since he was sacked by Nottingham Forrest in 2019, but based on a couple of recent interviews is still interested in managing
I mean I’m almost ready to reach for the rose tinted glasses…
Games being squandered here. If Singh and Thomas are fit we’d like them to play. They can’t just arrive a fortnight before the World Cup. It also can not be credited that Roux and McGarry haven’t forced their way into the squad.
Hudson also didn't rate Roux. Played Kip Colvey over him, including in the WC playoff. Storm must feel like Rodney Dangerfield when it comes to the All Whites
Overlooked by NZF for Hay a few years back. That decision is going to haunt them for ever.
Imagine if Des got the Celtic job, replacing Ange? It would be great for our young footballers to have more Kiwis/Aussies managing at a decent level in Europe.
Overlooked by NZF for Hay a few years back. That decision is going to haunt them for ever.
Imagine if Des got the Celtic job, replacing Ange? It would be great for our young footballers to have more Kiwis/Aussies managing at a decent level in Europe.
Overlooked by NZF for Hay a few years back. That decision is going to haunt them for ever.
Imagine if Des got the Celtic job, replacing Ange? It would be great for our young footballers to have more Kiwis/Aussies managing at a decent level in Europe.
Des is English
Yes, but I'd like to think his spirit is that of a Kiwi. Well at least 50% anyway...
Overlooked by NZF for Hay a few years back. That decision is going to haunt them for ever.
Imagine if Des got the Celtic job, replacing Ange? It would be great for our young footballers to have more Kiwis/Aussies managing at a decent level in Europe.
Des is English
New Zealand has one of the highest immigrant populations in the world. Des is a Kiwi
Overlooked by NZF for Hay a few years back. That decision is going to haunt them for ever.
Imagine if Des got the Celtic job, replacing Ange? It would be great for our young footballers to have more Kiwis/Aussies managing at a decent level in Europe.
Des is English
New Zealand has one of the highest immigrant populations in the world. Des is a Kiwi
He came here at 29 years of age and spent two two-year periods in NZ, moving back to England for a bit in between. Not a single person in UK media will take a look at that and call him a Kiwi
Des won't get the Celtic job. But the fact that there is even this much chatter about it underscores how stupid NZF was to discard him.
Anyway, on the topic of the nz coach hunt. Two separate reports said an appointment in May was a genuine possibility and now we are back to radio silence. Not even a peep from NZF when there was an article quoting their interim saying the uncertainty is taking a toll. This has gone far beyond ridiculous now, embarrassing doesn't even begin to cover it. I'm now praying we lose both games this window, especially after that squad selection and the u20s wc campaign. I don't want nzf to have any reason at all to appoint Darren because we know they are stupid enough to. It really sucks when you can't even hope your team will even draw a game.
Overlooked by NZF for Hay a few years back. That decision is going to haunt them for ever.
Imagine if Des got the Celtic job, replacing Ange? It would be great for our young footballers to have more Kiwis/Aussies managing at a decent level in Europe.
Des is English
New Zealand has one of the highest immigrant populations in the world. Des is a Kiwi
He came here at 29 years of age and spent two two-year periods in NZ, moving back to England for a bit in between. Not a single person in UK media will take a look at that and call him a Kiwi
ddon't see what the UK media has to do with it or why we'd care what they have to say.
He's shown a lot of loyalty to New Zealand and calls it home.
Overlooked by NZF for Hay a few years back. That decision is going to haunt them for ever.
Imagine if Des got the Celtic job, replacing Ange? It would be great for our young footballers to have more Kiwis/Aussies managing at a decent level in Europe.
Des is English
New Zealand has one of the highest immigrant populations in the world. Des is a Kiwi
The funny thing is that New Zealand - second only to Ireland - also has one of the highest *emigrant* populations in the world. Kiwis get out of the country as soon as they possibly can and are replaced by new friends from all around the world. What an interesting dynamic.
Overlooked by NZF for Hay a few years back. That decision is going to haunt them for ever.
Imagine if Des got the Celtic job, replacing Ange? It would be great for our young footballers to have more Kiwis/Aussies managing at a decent level in Europe.
Des is English
New Zealand has one of the highest immigrant populations in the world. Des is a Kiwi
He came here at 29 years of age and spent two two-year periods in NZ, moving back to England for a bit in between. Not a single person in UK media will take a look at that and call him a Kiwi
ddon't see what the UK media has to do with it or why we'd care what they have to say.
He's shown a lot of loyalty to New Zealand and calls it home.
Overlooked by NZF for Hay a few years back. That decision is going to haunt them for ever.
Imagine if Des got the Celtic job, replacing Ange? It would be great for our young footballers to have more Kiwis/Aussies managing at a decent level in Europe.
Des is English
New Zealand has one of the highest immigrant populations in the world. Des is a Kiwi
He came here at 29 years of age and spent two two-year periods in NZ, moving back to England for a bit in between. Not a single person in UK media will take a look at that and call him a Kiwi
ddon't see what the UK media has to do with it or why we'd care what they have to say.
He's shown a lot of loyalty to New Zealand and calls it home.
Probably time to face reality. There is no shiny new coach coming. If there was a decent candidate with serious intentions of taking up the job, why wouldn't they have wanted to try get it over the line in time for the June window?
My guess is NZF is going to try announce Darren as full time boss during the women's world cup to lessen the outrage and/or embarassment. They were hoping a performance or result while he was interim would have justified it, and in the absence of that they will announce it under cover of the WWC shadow.
Probably time to face reality. There is no shiny new coach coming. If there was a decent candidate with serious intentions of taking up the job, why wouldn't they have wanted to try get it over the line in time for the June window?
My guess is NZF is going to try announce Darren as full time boss during the women's world cup to lessen the outrage and/or embarassment. They were hoping a performance or result while he was interim would have justified it, and in the absence of that they will announce it under cover of the WWC shadow.
Which is hilarious given they delayed annuncing anyone de to the womens' warm up games a few months back.
What is interesting given some comments around the Qatar game is the senior players (esp Bell it seems) are having a strong say in how the team want to play.
This wouldn't work for many strong international teams, as the coach needs to make big decisions about dropping senior players, including sometimes the captain if they ain't playing well. But given the AWs thin talent pool, this is likely okay. Joe Bell ain't going to be dropped from an AWs squad this WC cycle.
But could it almost be at a stage now that if an experienced older overseas coach came in, is a risk of upsetting the AWs coach/player power balance? Likely not, but is something the AWs coach selection panel (which Wood & Bella are part of) would have to consider.
Personaly I'd take Danny Hay back in a heartbeat now. Stronger character than Bazeley, and I think he was making progress. Hay was still learning in the job as a fairly inexperienced coach, so I think he would have evolved the lineup into a permanent back 4 (like Baze tried this June window) as well if the team wanted it. I don't think Hay, was Talay-like with only a rigid structure.
But truth is there is still no urgent need to appoint a new gaffer as frustrating as it is. Team won't play again October. Still no competitive games until late 2024, such is the nature of being in tinpot OFC.
Reading some comments on here by a USA supporter about his national team, AWs fans ain't the only national team supporters out there who have to wait awhile for a new coach. And US Soccer has a shark load more cash than NZF. A shark load, plus the lure of an upcoming home WC, and they still went back after their failed search and reappointed former head coach Gregg Berhalter.
We’ve scored two good looking goals under the recent direction. And personally I feel Bell and Stamenic are syncing better. The defense seems to be much looser though.
I enjoyed our football under Hay, but we struggled to score.
And we still don’t know everything about the circumstances surrounding McCowatt and Rojas not playing in or being available for the play off.
Maybe someone like Coveney or Elliot would be a good fit for the team? Perhaps with an eye to a mentor/facilitator type coach with senior players heavily involved? Who’d likely select the CC boys? Plus we need help with our strikers!
Let’s be honest having the players involved in decisions worked well 2009/2010. And it’s been interesting so far under the Bell captaincy. Tbh I’d like Bell to keep the captaincy when Wood returns based on these two games.
And I think Berhalter could be said to have had more success comparatively with the USA than Hay had with NZ? Though he’s had to reveal some highly unflattering things about himself, the team had performed under him.
Players like Stamenic & Garbett should naturally improve this cycle no matter who is the AWs coach. Marko S was basically playing Danish 2nd tier football under Hay's reign, the UCL stuff came later. Ditto Matt G running around in Italian U19 footy.
The whole players taking a role in the coaching and playing style idea has worked for us before, however that was when we had the likes of Ryan Nelsen helping to run the show. Bell isn't quite that sort of figure.
The same factors still exist as to why we were skeptical why he would choose NZ over Canada: home World Cup, genuine world class quality players, plus things like moving his family (even if he's lived here before).
But yeah, Canada Soccer has got itself into a bit of strife. Various reasons contributing to the financial issues - at least from what I've read.
Some are entirely out of their hands, such as their qualifying run coinciding with Covid, meaning they didn't get ticket revenues and probably had increased costs to maintain the health/safety requirements. They'd likely have lower costs than NZF in that regard, given their players would be closer, but also had way more qualifiers; they played twenty qualifiers across eight windows whereas we played six across two.
Though some criticism comes from their 2017/18 deal with private company Canadian Soccer Business (CSB)(owners of the Canadian Premier League), in which they sold all broadcast and corporate sponsorship rights for both men and women. In exchange, Canada Soccer (the federation) receive an annual fee that increases each year, maxing out at $3.5m ($4.3m NZD) in 2027. CSB also can trigger a ten year extension, to take their ownership all the way to 2037. This meant any additional TV money off the World Cups or Olympics went to CSB and not Canada Soccer. With a talented team hosting in 2026, and likelihood of attending 48 team World Cups beyond that, the deal could backfire further.
They also had the cost of the two cancelled friendlies mid last year against Panama and Iran, apparently around $3m. The Iran game was cancelled after backlash, due to Iranian surface-to-air missiles having shot down a passenger plane in Tehran in January 2020 that led to the deaths of 55 Canadians citizens and a further 35 permanent residents. The Panama game was cancelled after the players took strike action in response to not being happy with the compensation received for national team duty.
The subsequent bargaining agreement also meant that $3.6m of the $10m USD of the World Cup prize money went back to the players, rather than the federation. That, of course, meant the windfall of the World Cup was not as big as possible to cover the expenditure of the qualification process, and has meant they have needed to be more frugal. Just last week Herdman told the federation to "get real" about funding the team during the Nations League, as other countries have longer and more frequent camps.
They are also struggling with the costs of the women's team, who are still in a labour dispute right now, with even threats of boycotting the Women's World Cup.
I think I covered the bases, but I could've missed some. Anyway, all in all, sporting-wise, Canada is almost incomparable, but the tumultuousness of Canada Soccer is possibly quite exhausting and Herdman post-qualification has received a bit of criticism, with some thinking the qualification was his zenith. I still don't think Herdman will really walk away from them to come to New Zealand though.
