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Sutton, Waine, even Surman, may disagree of late. 
Sutton's injured, Ufuk said he's had a stiff hamstring for awhile and they haven't wanted to risk him and Mauragis has taken the opportunity.

You still need to play on merit, but I remember games under Ricki where the only Kiwi's on the pitch were born and bred Australians that also had Kiwi citizenship. Which made a mockery of the same old ausies chant.


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All I have to say is last time the Nix and the AWs shared a coach, we made the World Cup and the A-League preliminary final.
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It doesnt matter where the coach comes from, if they are prepared to put the ground work in and learn about their player stock then let the best coach we can afford get the job. Uffie has a massive head start on most cos he's been in NZ working with NZ first team players and the academy. NZF's pertnership with the Nix has to be a bonus for him as well.

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All I have to say is last time the Nix and the AWs shared a coach, we made the World Cup and the A-League preliminary final.
Last time, there were 5 Phoenix players in the starting XI for the AW in the WC playoff and only 4 playing outside of NZ/Aus.
This time there was 2 Phoenix players and 9 players outside.
Sharing a coach in 2009 made more sense back then, it doesn't now. 
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Talay has the 'inside running' but I don't know if he suits the direction NZF wants to go in.
Whoever they hire has to be willing to work with the NZF Technical Director and be part of a team - based on that, Buckingham would have the lead IMO.

It will be interesting to say the least.
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All I have to say is last time the Nix and the AWs shared a coach, we made the World Cup and the A-League preliminary final.
Last time, there were 5 Phoenix players in the starting XI for the AW in the WC playoff and only 4 playing outside of NZ/Aus.
This time there was 2 Phoenix players and 9 players outside.
Sharing a coach in 2009 made more sense back then, it doesn't now. 
Exactly. I'm not opposed to Uffie in the case of there not being better options, but considering the need to stay up to date with a lot of players overseas (more now than ever), I think that counts against him. 

It's gotta be Des. 
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Apparently AWs will play in every window next year, with the September window set to be skipped as the new coach, and potentially some players, are set to be busy with qualifying the under-23 Oly Whites for the Paris Olympics at that time.

I reckon Buckingham gets it if he has applied. Will be all too hard for Talay to job share, especially if the AWs coach is also expected to work in with all NZF coaches, especially around U20 WC next year plus 2024 Olympics. Just won't have the time to juggle both hats.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/football/world-cup/130775380/end-of-world-cup-ushers-in-new-era-for-all-whites-with-five-on-coaching-shortlist


The only candidate to have spoken publicly about their interest in the All Whites job is Talay, who has envisioned remaining coach of the Phoenix at the same time, as Ricki Herbert did from 2007 to 2013.

On the prospect of a job share, Pragnell said “we have to stay open to everything,” but noted that All Whites job was “far more demanding” than it can appear to be, with the team only assembling for 45 days across five international windows in a typical year.

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Is it fair to think that Talay can’t be entirely content with his role at the Nix if he is sniffing around other gigs?
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Is it fair to think that Talay can’t be entirely content with his role at the Nix if he is sniffing around other gigs?
Not neccersarily, just opportunistic. If he gets the AWs job he's effectively commiting to the Phoenix for the next world cup cycle.
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Is it fair to think that Talay can’t be entirely content with his role at the Nix if he is sniffing around other gigs?
The way I read the situation is that he's doing what anyone would, looking for the next best gig. I would assume the Phoenix can't offer him the biggest salary around, but if he supplemented that with the AWs job then it would be a decent total salary. For example, if Sydney offered him $500k, and the Phoenix $300k, then he might head back home, but if he got $250k from NZF as well, then every chance he'd stay. 

He did mention he'd only do the AWs if he stayed at the Phoenix as well, which could mean he knows other clubs wouldn't work in that situation, and that he also isn't keen enough on the AWs job to do it standalone. You don't really want a coach half-hearting it though, nor should NZF make concessions in the selection process to keep a coach employed in a separate, independent club. Also could become a bit awkward if he were to leave the Phoenix at any point in the World Cup cycle, as he might look to another club and leave the national team scrambling to find a coach.
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Sutton, Waine, even Surman, may disagree of late. 

Why? Most of them are injured 
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https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/football/a-league/130825759/wellington-phoenix-dealt-taxing-travel-schedule-as-coach-waits-for-all-whites-news

Talay is also still waiting to hear about the outcome of his interview for the All Whites head coach role, which took place last week.

It is understood the last of the five shortlisted candidates had their interview earlier this week, with an announcement expected by Friday, January 13 at the latest.



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https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/football/a-league/130825759/wellington-phoenix-dealt-taxing-travel-schedule-as-coach-waits-for-all-whites-news

Talay is also still waiting to hear about the outcome of his interview for the All Whites head coach role, which took place last week.

It is understood the last of the five shortlisted candidates had their interview earlier this week, with an announcement expected by Friday, January 13 at the latest.



Don't even know why he is being interviewed. He is a great coach but how on earth can you appoint a national coach who also coaches the A-League when the A-League does not break for all the FIFA windows? If the A-League had already made that announcement then it could work but they have not. So what we will have is the NZFA arranging matches in every FIFA window for the first time and no coach available. Unfortunately a classic NZ football farce. He should not be in the discussion unless the A-League officially announces breaks for every FIFA window. 
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You owe NZF an apology. ALM will pause in March for that FIFA window. For seasons beyond 2022/23 who knows yet.

Talay has stated it could only work if the ALM observed the FIFA windows.

https://www.sportingnews.com/au/soccer/news/aleague-men-2022-23-season-start-fifa-world-cup/b2athpmyaalqjm3an7tr9e8i

"Following extensive consultation with key stakeholders including Australian Professional Leagues (APL), Football Australia via the DMC 2022/23 has regulated that FIFA international windows for men’s and women’s football will be observed throughout 2022/23, with A-League Men’s and Women’s competitions to pause while the respective Australian senior national teams are in action," a statement for FA read. 
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You owe NZF an apology. ALM will pause in March for that FIFA window. For seasons beyond 2022/23 who knows yet.

Talay has stated it could only work if the ALM observed the FIFA windows.

https://www.sportingnews.com/au/soccer/news/aleague-men-2022-23-season-start-fifa-world-cup/b2athpmyaalqjm3an7tr9e8i

"Following extensive consultation with key stakeholders including Australian Professional Leagues (APL), Football Australia via the DMC 2022/23 has regulated that FIFA international windows for men’s and women’s football will be observed throughout 2022/23, with A-League Men’s and Women’s competitions to pause while the respective Australian senior national teams are in action," a statement for FA read. 
Well that is good indeed but one year out of a four year cycle? I think I will reserve any apologies.
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I think you could assume that if Ufuk got the job NZF and the nix would be pushing for the a-league to break for the fifa windows.

Not sure why it takes so long to make a decision though, 13th January! thats 3 weeks after the interview.
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I think you could assume that if Ufuk got the job NZF and the nix would be pushing for the a-league to break for the fifa windows.

Not sure why it takes so long to make a decision though, 13th January! thats 3 weeks after the interview.
No one is in the office to monitor the fax machine!

I'm not a fan of Ufuk for the NZ role.  His systems take a long time to bed in.  Time is not something you get at international level. 
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I think you could assume that if Ufuk got the job NZF and the nix would be pushing for the a-league to break for the fifa windows.

Not sure why it takes so long to make a decision though, 13th January! thats 3 weeks after the interview.
No one is in the office to monitor the fax machine!

I'm not a fan of Ufuk for the NZ role.  His systems take a long time to bed in.  Time is not something you get at international level. 

Perhaps they are waiting to announce the new coach, new Technical Director and 2 home AWs games for March all at the same time.

And importantly have the new coach & TD both present in NZ (they could currently be both overseas), for a shiny media press conference. With the Black Caps in Pakistan/India, and Super Rugby yet to start - should get some nice media coverage mid Jan.

If the announcements are made now just prior to Xmas, alot less fanfare.

And re Talay as AWs coach, I initially thought it could work okay with AWs basically having the presumably easy OFC qualification path for WC 2026. But with reflection, if we want the AWs to maximise the potential this young squad has, plus Pragnell is promising games nearly every window this cycle - yes you want a coach that is fully focused on the 1 job. 

The AWs coach has so little on grass time with the players, so he and his staff have got to be super prepared (all the analysis done etc) before each camp, so they don't waste a minute when the team do get together. That was definitely an issue for Ricki in that 2010-2013 cycle, including Horror in Honiara, and getting smashed at the Azteca. Very ill prepared.

Pragnell has said that there is alot more work involved with the AWs role, than just turning up to coach the team. That's highly likely true, and a cue to NZF's thinking about the position you'd guess. Surely Buckingham's time now, if he has applied.


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Of all the names I've heard, Des looks to be clear number one. Think the question will be is what plans City Football Group have for him and if that trumps the AWs role.
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John Herdman - balls my word…..
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Anyone got a Herald subscription?

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Herdman would be huge, but after what he did with Canada he will have a lot of suitors with far more appeal than us.
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Plus the next world cup being held in Canada as well.
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After the exit of Danny Hay, this time there were around 80 applications – from every continent - with five candidates shortlisted.

Pragnell says each of the quintet has a New Zealand link.

He wouldn’t disclose names but Wellington Phoenix coach Ufuk Talay has gone public with his application while Under-20 coach Darren Bazeley and former Junior All Whites mentor Des Buckingham are also believed to have made the final cut.

Interviews have recently been completed. The panel included Pragnell, new high performance manager Keir Hansen, an NZF board member, a Players’ Association representative and two European-based All Whites.

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Pragnell had hoped to make an appointment before the end of this year, but that won’t be happening now.

“We haven’t reached a decision and don’t want to rush something for the sake of it because Christmas is just an arbitrary date,” said Pragnell.

There is a some “ongoing deliberation” and a “little bit of back and forth” in terms of confirming a preference, with potentially more due diligence to be done with third parties.

An announcement is expected by mid-January, though could be a week earlier than that, depending on contract negotiations and other business.

The panel had assessed the candidates based on several key attributes, during the extended interviews, which were done remotely rather than face to face.

“First and foremost, international coaching experience and the ability to demonstrate skills that are required for international coaching,” explained Pragnell.

“Coaching internationally is vastly different from club coaching so that’s key. Then there’s obviously some qualifications, with a preference around the Pro licence. And an ability to build or work with a team culture and help facilitate a growth in culture.”

The impending coach announcement will be accompanied by confirmation of the All Whites games in March.

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I know most of you lot aren't that keen on Uffie getting the job but I kind of want it to happen now if only just to put a stop to the chances Sydney FC from poaching him from the Nix now that Corica is in the way out.
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After the exit of Danny Hay, this time there were around 80 applications – from every continent - with five candidates shortlisted.

Pragnell says each of the quintet has a New Zealand link.

He wouldn’t disclose names but Wellington Phoenix coach Ufuk Talay has gone public with his application while Under-20 coach Darren Bazeley and former Junior All Whites mentor Des Buckingham are also believed to have made the final cut.

Interviews have recently been completed. The panel included Pragnell, new high performance manager Keir Hansen, an NZF board member, a Players’ Association representative and two European-based All Whites.

 Any more clues on who the All Whites reps are?  Wood and Smith?
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Wood would have to be one. But you might also have Joe Bell as the other, representing the younger brigade.

Smith highly likely won't be around come 2026, so little point having him involved I'd guess.
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In Uffie's pre Perth interview (on Nix YT) he said Wood and Bell were the player reps. Worth a listen to get some insights into AW coach interview process. 
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Bugger. But you can't blame Buckingham at all. Being employed by the City Football Group, hugely attractive for any young coach.


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Great job NZF. Spend such an eternity making a decision that the best candidate pulls out because he gets a better offer. How long has it been now?

Edit - Hay announced not re-applying on 12th October. So it's nearly been three months. 
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just waiting on news of a fax sitting on the machine for 3 months cos they didnt have anyone in the office for the holidays.
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I doubt the City Group, would have let Des go, no matter when NZF chose to make it's appointment decision.

Wonder if Greenacre is in the mix? Ramon T?

Supposedly all 5 short listed candidates know the NZ football scene.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/football/nz-teams/130911413/des-buckingham-wont-be-new-all-whites-coach-after-signing-extension-with-mumbai-city

Wellington Phoenix coach Ufuk Talay was one of the four other coaches to make NZ Football’s shortlist to replace Danny Hay,
who chose not to reapply for the role following a critical review of the All Whites’ 2022 World Cup qualifying campaign.

Current under-20 coach and former All Whites assistant Darren Bazeley is also understood to have been on the shortlist, with the identities of the other two contenders shrouded in mystery.

Interviews for the All Whites role took place in mid-December and NZ Football chief executive Andrew Pragnell was hoping to be able to announce the new coach by January 13.

The United States women’s team plays the Football Ferns in high-profile friendlies in Wellington and Auckland the following week, and Pragnell said he wouldn’t want to distract from those matches by dropping All Whites news at the same time.

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Great job NZF. Spend such an eternity making a decision that the best candidate pulls out because he gets a better offer. How long has it been now?

Edit - Hay announced not re-applying on 12th October. So it's nearly been three months. 
I don't think the timeframe of the coach decision is the major factor in this. Obviously we all want to know who the coach will be as soon as, but the process takes time, and also there isn't really a desperate need to have a coach appointed straight away. The next friendlies aren't until March and the next competitive game is not until next year. The delay from the originally stated date was only a couple weeks, and Buckingham would've known that that wouldn't make any difference as proper work wouldn't start until the March window, and he'd still see out the ISL season, which also ends in March.

Mumbai City would have always had the advantage, as he's already employed by them, so it's a different scenario than if he had been on the open market. They would likely always know what the situation is regarding the likelihood of him leaving, and so would be able to tailor a competing bid. There's always the chance that the fortnight's delay from the originally stated announcement date was caused by City bumping up their bid to keep him. If that's the case, then the timeframe probably never factored, as they would have rivalled the bid had it been made in October just as they would have in January.

It's also unlikely NZF would be able to offer a max financial package that would be greater than what CFG could, and it's also always easier to stay in a current environment than move to a new one. Also, Melbourne City losing Kisnorbo would have thrown an extra spanner in the works. It is a shame, but the fact that he was in the running until now - despite CFG wanting to keep him - suggests that effort was made to bring him in.

It's not the end of the world either, there's four other coaches still in the running: Talay, Bazeley supposedly and then two others who are still yet to be named anywhere.
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Is an older & wiser Huddo a contender for a return? Cue hernias for some on here.

He's obviously rated in the US of A. Piney retweeted this.

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it's gonna be Bazeley isn't it
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it's gonna be Bazeley isn't it

It clearly needs to be someone who's prepared to work in with other NZF staff - incl other national coaches & the new to be announced Technical Director.

That was a big takeaway from McKinnon's post Costa Rica playoff review, and a veiled Pragnell criticism of Hay. Is Bazeley tarred with the same brush as Hay, or is he seen as a more collaborative/working with others type? Not sure Talay is.

Hopefully there is a bit of player power also in the decision, ie Wood & Bell have some influence in who is picked. Most importantly you want it to be someone the players respect. This where Bazeley may have an edge, or the opposite if the players over last 3 years didn't rate the AWs assistant.

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I'm personally hoping Ramon was keen to return to NZ and threw his name in the hat and is one of the mystery two. I'm not excited about Talay mediocrity and what has Bazeley done to give anybody any optimism? 

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