I'm personally hoping Ramon was keen to return to NZ and threw his name in the hat and is one of the mystery two. I'm not excited about Talay mediocrity and what has Bazeley done to give anybody any optimism?
Well Bazeley coached the NZ U19s to victory in the recent OFC champs without conceding a goal. Not sure even Buckingham achieved that. They also played some pretty attractive football.
I guess most importantly he's been heavily involved with the senior AWs, since basically the Tokyo Olympics - so knows the players, culture etc etc. Handy when you get so little time together in the FIFA windows to actually achieve much. But do the playing group rate him?
That question should have more sway, than whether he's prepared to attend every meeting held at NZF Albany HQ, or woke workshop.
Danny Hay won the OFC qualifying tournament, only conceding only 1 goal all tournament in a 7-1 win. Bossing inferior teams isn't enough, NZ will be playing sides with better resources than us in any games that matter, and I'd like a manager who can get RESULTS in those games. At least Ramon can at least point to his CWC record. You can't really say Talay has punched above his weight either.
I hope its not Baz. A negative coach - he would be a step back in my opinion. Was gutted he was given another chance at age group level after his first piss poor effort.
Whilst keen on Uffie a while back, I've gone cold on the idea now. I'm not sure he'd make a great international manager. If I could pick, it would have to be Ramon or Emblin if either threw their hats in the ring.
Its obviously not Des - the initial delay in announcing the coach was subject to his availability no doubt about it. Talay will be last cab off the rank - simply hasn't done enough at club level. Bazeley potentially as he's a NZF pipeline coach - players know him and he's a nice guy, he's not going to upset anyone - safe bet for NZF who have been told to make everyone happy by a report. Interesting to know who the other two are - I'm guessing offshore who are in club roles and do not want their names out in public - again with the delayed announcing it could be around these negotiations. If it was Talay or Bazeley they would announce it in the next few days.
Uffie needs the first 10 games of a season to get his team playing and to start picking up points consistently. He'd have no chance as an international boss. Also, he is Australian.
Its obviously not Des - the initial delay in announcing the coach was subject to his availability no doubt about it. Talay will be last cab off the rank - simply hasn't done enough at club level. Bazeley potentially as he's a NZF pipeline coach - players know him and he's a nice guy, he's not going to upset anyone - safe bet for NZF who have been told to make everyone happy by a report. Interesting to know who the other two are - I'm guessing offshore who are in club roles and do not want their names out in public - again with the delayed announcing it could be around these negotiations. If it was Talay or Bazeley they would announce it in the next few days.
Your comments on Bazeley I actually agree with. Think that Mckinnon report is going to have a large influence in who they appoint, especially now that Des has been ruled out.
Be interesting if Emblen (currently an assistant coach at Colorado Rapids?) has thrown his hand in. Are him & Bazeley mates?
People are going on about Bazeley being a route one, old school English type gaffer, but his most recent team the U19s didn't play like that, and neither did Hay's AWs. Coaches evolve, plus match tactics to what players they have. Well the good ones do.
Blind Freddie can see that the new AWs coach, will have in their squad the best group of technically gifted players in the team's history.
Its obviously not Des - the initial delay in announcing the coach was subject to his availability no doubt about it. Talay will be last cab off the rank - simply hasn't done enough at club level. Bazeley potentially as he's a NZF pipeline coach - players know him and he's a nice guy, he's not going to upset anyone - safe bet for NZF who have been told to make everyone happy by a report. Interesting to know who the other two are - I'm guessing offshore who are in club roles and do not want their names out in public - again with the delayed announcing it could be around these negotiations. If it was Talay or Bazeley they would announce it in the next few days.
Your comments on Bazeley I actually agree with. Think that Mckinnon report is going to have a large influence in who they appoint, especially now that Des has been ruled out.
Be interesting if Emblen (currently an assistant coach at Colorado Rapids?) has thrown his hand in. Are him & Bazeley mates?
People are going on about Bazeley being a route one, old school English type gaffer, but his most recent team the U19s didn't play like that, and neither did Hay's AWs. Coaches evolve, plus match tactics to what players they have. Well the good ones do.
Blind Freddie can see that the new AWs coach, will have in their squad the best group of technically gifted players in the team's history.
Dunno what you are basing your opinion on the U19's playing attractive football. They played incredibly disjointed and missed easy opportunities in every game look at this miss of an open goal and the quality of the opposition? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DfpVCRt0KgU Why hire a national coach based on their record in Oceania and not not at the Club World Cup? Also do you remember Beazley coaching the U17 team at home age group world cup? He and Hay had 3 years working with the same group of players in the national league for the world cup tournament at home and all they could come up when the tournament arrived was 10 men behind the ball. Anyone but Beazley. If Hay took NZ back to the 90s and had no idea how to structure an offense the Beazley will take us right back to the 70s.
You've lost the plot mate - seems I'm living in your head rent free.
Is it hurting you that there is more than just me out there that has doubts over Talays ability to coach? Maybe you should have discussions with fans outside of your dog.
Definitely agree Coochiee the McKinnon Report is the decision maker and falls right into Bazeleys lap. By all accounts him and Emblem are best mates so wouldn't be surprised to see them do it together. But the delay seems that they are trying to negotiate with overseas candidate. time will tell.
The delay simply is down to some people at nz football having an extensive long Xmas break after such a hard working year. Unfortunately nothing more. The fact the CEO comes out and says he doesn’t want to make an announcement around some bullshark timing for woman’s football so as not to detract from that, is absolutely laughable. Just say it as it is - I’m on holiday
Its obviously not Des - the initial delay in announcing the coach was subject to his availability no doubt about it. Talay will be last cab off the rank - simply hasn't done enough at club level. Bazeley potentially as he's a NZF pipeline coach - players know him and he's a nice guy, he's not going to upset anyone - safe bet for NZF who have been told to make everyone happy by a report. Interesting to know who the other two are - I'm guessing offshore who are in club roles and do not want their names out in public - again with the delayed announcing it could be around these negotiations. If it was Talay or Bazeley they would announce it in the next few days.
Your comments on Bazeley I actually agree with. Think that Mckinnon report is going to have a large influence in who they appoint, especially now that Des has been ruled out.
Be interesting if Emblen (currently an assistant coach at Colorado Rapids?) has thrown his hand in. Are him & Bazeley mates?
People are going on about Bazeley being a route one, old school English type gaffer, but his most recent team the U19s didn't play like that, and neither did Hay's AWs. Coaches evolve, plus match tactics to what players they have. Well the good ones do.
Blind Freddie can see that the new AWs coach, will have in their squad the best group of technically gifted players in the team's history.
Dunno what you are basing your opinion on the U19's playing attractive football. They played incredibly disjointed and missed easy opportunities in every game look at this miss of an open goal and the quality of the opposition? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DfpVCRt0KgU Why hire a national coach based on their record in Oceania and not not at the Club World Cup? Also do you remember Beazley coaching the U17 team at home age group world cup? He and Hay had 3 years working with the same group of players in the national league for the world cup tournament at home and all they could come up when the tournament arrived was 10 men behind the ball. Anyone but Beazley. If Hay took NZ back to the 90s and had no idea how to structure an offense the Beazley will take us right back to the 70s.
Look I get some people just outight don't like Hay. He's been a pricky, polarising figure on NZ football scene for many years. Very different to Buckingham, who in NZ always came across as a super nice guy, and very selfless.
But for FFS offer an objective half intelligent assessment. To say Danny took us back to 1990s is garbage.
He had 2 big games with OlyWhites & AWs, really to judge him on. In the first the OWs went toe to toe with Japan in their Olympics QF. He made a gutsy call to take off a crocked Reid, and bring on McCowatt rather than another defender. That 2nd half & ET, was truly exciting to watch, as we had a real crack at the Japanese only to lose on pens. That was a Japan, with about 6 starters who would in Qatar featured for their impressive WC team
The 2nd big game (that everything preceding had been leading up to) was of course the Costa Rica playoff. We had 68% of the ball verus CR. That ain't the 1990s. But they couldn’t find that equaliser, after conceding a very soft early goal that shouldn’t have happened.
I'm sure is some things Hay with hindsight would have done different, but the team created plenty of half chances, and fired a few shots without hitting the target enough. As good as this hugely promising young brigade are, none of Greive, Garbett, Just, Stamenic etc are scoring goals consistently at a high level. They all seem to panic a bit when close to goal. But then that CR match was incredibly high stakes. It still all rides on the Woodsman if the team is sans Singh.
I'd throw in the Peru 'friendly' as a 3rd big game. As it was played in front of 40,000 mad Peruvian fans, an intimidating atmosphere especially for the younger players, after 2 years of no crowds. Basically a foreign experience for the team.
Yet after barely hanging in the first half, as they adjusted to the cauldron (some of the players definitely froze in that first half), they were only a defensive howler (from 2 Nix aguys who have been in poorish form since), and a Waine offside from grabbing a draw.
The Peru coaching staff themselves said we were several levels above the AWs team they played in 2017. They were surprised by how good were were on the day, and far more an attacking threat than 4 years prior.
And these 3 games were without our best creative player Singh. A huge loss for a country like NZ with it's shallow talent pool. That was a constant in Hay’s reign. When Singh was available we scored goals and won games. Without him a struggle to do either. I’d wager good money would be same for any coach with the same set of circumstances. Singh (and Thomas to lesser extent) such a point of difference to AWs
Anyway as always it’s the players who are the best judge of whether the coaches are quality. Not us arm chair critics who really know fudge all, about what is happening within a AWs camp. Esp because they always happen overseas!! When is the last time any of us witnessed an AWs training live??
Chris Wood is a hugely experienced pro of 15 years. He’s seen all types of coaches up to arguably the best league in the world
If he says Hay, Bazeley or whoever are quality, or they are rubbish - then that be the case. If Wood says so, then it will be so
Its obviously not Des - the initial delay in announcing the coach was subject to his availability no doubt about it. Talay will be last cab off the rank - simply hasn't done enough at club level. Bazeley potentially as he's a NZF pipeline coach - players know him and he's a nice guy, he's not going to upset anyone - safe bet for NZF who have been told to make everyone happy by a report. Interesting to know who the other two are - I'm guessing offshore who are in club roles and do not want their names out in public - again with the delayed announcing it could be around these negotiations. If it was Talay or Bazeley they would announce it in the next few days.
Your comments on Bazeley I actually agree with. Think that Mckinnon report is going to have a large influence in who they appoint, especially now that Des has been ruled out.
Be interesting if Emblen (currently an assistant coach at Colorado Rapids?) has thrown his hand in. Are him & Bazeley mates?
People are going on about Bazeley being a route one, old school English type gaffer, but his most recent team the U19s didn't play like that, and neither did Hay's AWs. Coaches evolve, plus match tactics to what players they have. Well the good ones do.
Blind Freddie can see that the new AWs coach, will have in their squad the best group of technically gifted players in the team's history.
Dunno what you are basing your opinion on the U19's playing attractive football. They played incredibly disjointed and missed easy opportunities in every game look at this miss of an open goal and the quality of the opposition? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DfpVCRt0KgU Why hire a national coach based on their record in Oceania and not not at the Club World Cup? Also do you remember Beazley coaching the U17 team at home age group world cup? He and Hay had 3 years working with the same group of players in the national league for the world cup tournament at home and all they could come up when the tournament arrived was 10 men behind the ball. Anyone but Beazley. If Hay took NZ back to the 90s and had no idea how to structure an offense the Beazley will take us right back to the 70s.
Oh and I can't be arsed fact checking your comments indepth. But you haven't even bothered to spell Bazeley's name correctly. Well done on Hay
Though I know NZ hasn't hosted a home U17 WC since 1999, when I doubt either Bazeley or Hay were in charge. Bazeley had the U17s from 2011-2013 & U20s from 2013-2017 (plus now). I guess you are referring to the U20 home WC in 2015, but hey just make some World Cups up if that best fits your narrative.
Also to pick one small clip from that U19 tourney is just stupid. I could collect a whole heap of short clips from the same tourney of nicely constructed goals.
At the end of the day how Bazeley or anyone was coaching 5 years ago ain't that important. Coaches learn & evolve as they go along. It's what they are doing now that is the crux. Some of those early age group teams Bazeley coached, would have had more long forgotten names, than players who have gone on to big things.
That's not to say he should be the AWs coach, but an acknowledgement that with the rise of the Nix & Ole Academies, plus other pathways there are better more technical young players coming out of NZ now, than ever before. So there is a newish rising expectation that when these kids play for the various national teams through the ranks, that solely route one ain't on the agenda.
coochiee, not sure why you still want to make such an impassioned defense of Hay, but face facts, last 5 games in charge were a 0-0 vs Oman and 4 losses against Costa Rica, Peru, and Australia (x2), all without scoring a single goal. You can dress it how you like, make all the excuses you want, but surely we must hope for better? Do you believe that is unrealistic to want more than that?
I was just reacting to some factually incorrect stuff from Tedstriker. Hay was far from perfect as AWs coach, and maybe Buckingham should have got the job back in 2018. We will never know.
But some people have some unrealistic ideas of how good this group of young AWs players currently are.
The only NZ pro footballers currently scoring goals consistently are doing it in places like Ireland, Canada or Finland. Hardly world beating leagues. Even the Woodsman hasn't been banging in goals since the 2020/21 season at Burnley (2 seasons ago).
Sure the FIFA rankings can be tenuous. But Peru are 21st, CR 32nd & the Socceroos 27th. They all have better players than us, and have more depth. They also were better prepared having tough WC qualifying campaigns. When have we ever beaten teams at that level? Serbia 2010? But it's incredibly rare. We had goals ruled out against Peru & CR (both times rightly). De Jong should have scored in Brisbane. Yes the Auckland game v Aus was a poor display, basically after Wood went off.
Hay took the team to victories over Bahrain (85th), The Gambia (126th) & Curacao (86th). That's about the level the AWs (105th) are currently at. And Singh was around for all 3 of those games.
Look hopefully the new coach can take the team to the next level, but he'll need Singh to be injury free to do it. He's that important to the AWs chances of scoring against bigger teams. Plus need likes of Waine, Garbett, Just, Greive etc to develop further and provide goals at the top international level.
But to say Hay had the team setup to play route one out the 1990s, is just all wrong.
You've lost the plot mate - seems I'm living in your head rent free.
Is it hurting you that there is more than just me out there that has doubts over Talays ability to coach? Maybe you should have discussions with fans outside of your dog.
Definitely agree Coochiee the McKinnon Report is the decision maker and falls right into Bazeleys lap. By all accounts him and Emblem are best mates so wouldn't be surprised to see them do it together. But the delay seems that they are trying to negotiate with overseas candidate. time will tell.
not gonna keep arguing with you, cos as far as I can see your a man on a mission to try and discredit the Nix coach and players. But I will say this, ther eason I think you're the same person is that your post are almost identical word for word. Sure you may both agree, but your singing from the same script. I'd not be surprised if you both started mis-speling peoples' names.
coochiee, not sure why you still want to make such an impassioned defense of Hay, but face facts, last 5 games in charge were a 0-0 vs Oman and 4 losses against Costa Rica, Peru, and Australia (x2), all without scoring a single goal. You can dress it how you like, make all the excuses you want, but surely we must hope for better? Do you believe that is unrealistic to want more than that?
The game against Oman was a behind-closed-doors, fully-rotated, glorified training run that no one saw, its relevance is little except for agendas. Its no different to the match they played against Western Pride in 2016, or Algeria A in 2021; it'd have never been mentioned again if it was a 1-0 win.
I don't think anyone is 'happy' that there were four defeats in the last four 'proper' games, however there is important context to view the results with. Those three teams sit at 21, 27 and 32 in the FIFA Rankings, as opposed to New Zealand at 105, and when you have to play teams of that calibre with the (lack of) depth that New Zealand has - Australia has more professionals in the A League than NZ have in total, for example - missing two star players is going to make it even tougher.
Even then, across those four matches, the All Whites created a higher xG than the opponents - 5.21 xG for compared to only 4.4 xG against, per here. To concede 5 goals from 4.4 xG is unlucky, but by no means a statistical anomaly. However, to score 0 from 5.21 xG is a remarkable outlier, and shows that chance creation and goal-scoring opportunities were definitely not lacking. The system Hay had in place did its job, the attacking group - especially strikers Wood, Greive, De Jong and Waine - failed to finish the chances. These same issues were at play in the OFC qualifiers, just that the level of opposition meant that the team could pass on several opportunities and still win by a comfortable margin, with the exception of the PNG and Tahiti games.
That xG disparity is a margin you'd be disappointed with over the course of a whole season, let alone over four games. Though the inverse is that it's likelier to return to closer to the mean over time, as creating chances and missing them is better than not creating them. So the new coach could well be the beneficiary of that and have a few goals in March (as could've Hay in the longer run), or suffer from the same outcomes of chances being not taken. Either way, that coach won't be Hay, but I'm not going to pretend I think he was a failure in his tenure.
You've lost the plot mate - seems I'm living in your head rent free.
Is it hurting you that there is more than just me out there that has doubts over Talays ability to coach? Maybe you should have discussions with fans outside of your dog.
Definitely agree Coochiee the McKinnon Report is the decision maker and falls right into Bazeleys lap. By all accounts him and Emblem are best mates so wouldn't be surprised to see them do it together. But the delay seems that they are trying to negotiate with overseas candidate. time will tell.
not gonna keep arguing with you, cos as far as I can see your a man on a mission to try and discredit the Nix coach and players. But I will say this, ther eason I think you're the same person is that your post are almost identical word for word. Sure you may both agree, but your singing from the same script. I'd not be surprised if you both started mis-speling peoples' names.
Official your heads gone. No ones arguing.
I'm not the only football fan in NZ that has doubts over Talays ability to coach at this level and Sasses ability to put in consistent acceptable import performances for club. That's if you read any other post outside your own and mine. You make me laugh though.
Happy for a coach to come in and change shape - don't think 1 up top suited us - would like to see two alongside each other - Greive running off Wood would be awesome. Wood isolated to often in Hays systems - works against pacific teams but our team gets pinned back against the better sides. Hopefully new coach changes a few things...
coochiee, not sure why you still want to make such an impassioned defense of Hay, but face facts, last 5 games in charge were a 0-0 vs Oman and 4 losses against Costa Rica, Peru, and Australia (x2), all without scoring a single goal. You can dress it how you like, make all the excuses you want, but surely we must hope for better? Do you believe that is unrealistic to want more than that?
The game against Oman was a behind-closed-doors, fully-rotated, glorified training run that no one saw, its relevance is little except for agendas. Its no different to the match they played against Western Pride in 2016, or Algeria A in 2021; it'd have never been mentioned again if it was a 1-0 win.
I don't think anyone is 'happy' that there were four defeats in the last four 'proper' games, however there is important context to view the results with. Those three teams sit at 21, 27 and 32 in the FIFA Rankings, as opposed to New Zealand at 105, and when you have to play teams of that calibre with the (lack of) depth that New Zealand has - Australia has more professionals in the A League than NZ have in total, for example - missing two star players is going to make it even tougher.
Even then, across those four matches, the All Whites created a higher xG than the opponents - 5.21 xG for compared to only 4.4 xG against, per here. To concede 5 goals from 4.4 xG is unlucky, but by no means a statistical anomaly. However, to score 0 from 5.21 xG is a remarkable outlier, and shows that chance creation and goal-scoring opportunities were definitely not lacking. The system Hay had in place did its job, the attacking group - especially strikers Wood, Greive, De Jong and Waine - failed to finish the chances. These same issues were at play in the OFC qualifiers, just that the level of opposition meant that the team could pass on several opportunities and still win by a comfortable margin, with the exception of the PNG and Tahiti games.
That xG disparity is a margin you'd be disappointed with over the course of a whole season, let alone over four games. Though the inverse is that it's likelier to return to closer to the mean over time, as creating chances and missing them is better than not creating them. So the new coach could well be the beneficiary of that and have a few goals in March (as could've Hay in the longer run), or suffer from the same outcomes of chances being not taken. Either way, that coach won't be Hay, but I'm not going to pretend I think he was a failure in his tenure.
As more often than not Carlind, an excellent post.
Key takeaway "The system Hay had in place did its job, the attacking group - especially strikers Wood, Greive, De Jong and Waine - failed to finish the chances."
My memory of CR & Aussie games, was lots of half chances, but likes of Greive, Garbett & Stamenic all drilling shots well wide of the goal. Frustrating. They are all young, and hopefully with time & experience will be more composed in front of goal. The CR match was very high stakes, so highly understandable that the composure was lacking for that one.
But if they want to make the next leap in their careers club or country, they need to start converting more of those chances.
If you're upset because you think I'm trying to discredit the Nix coach, when I suggest that a Talay appointment for the All Whites shouldn't inspire confidence, can you tell me why it wouldn't be a problem for an international coach that his teams are notoriously slow starters in league football (on the back of weeks of preseason) when an international coach usually only gets a handful of sessions before occasional games? And that if this season is anything to go by, he cannot get a defense working, when keeping it tight at the back is even more critical in the international sphere?
Talay doesn't win games of football enough and his teams leak like a sieve. If you can't keep a clean sheet in the a-league you're a battler I'm sorry.
Talays banking on NZF & Phoenix relationship here. To be honest i don't think he fits the McKinnon report - his behavior and antics on the sidelines are far worse than what Hay dished up.
I really hope Simon Elliot applied - strikes me as an astute, thoughtful, well respected ex player and person - not saying that makes a great coach all the time but could be a goer.
Anyone have Wood's number? he's now the boss. he will know.
Its obviously not Des - the initial delay in announcing the coach was subject to his availability no doubt about it. Talay will be last cab off the rank - simply hasn't done enough at club level. Bazeley potentially as he's a NZF pipeline coach - players know him and he's a nice guy, he's not going to upset anyone - safe bet for NZF who have been told to make everyone happy by a report. Interesting to know who the other two are - I'm guessing offshore who are in club roles and do not want their names out in public - again with the delayed announcing it could be around these negotiations. If it was Talay or Bazeley they would announce it in the next few days.
Your comments on Bazeley I actually agree with. Think that Mckinnon report is going to have a large influence in who they appoint, especially now that Des has been ruled out.
Be interesting if Emblen (currently an assistant coach at Colorado Rapids?) has thrown his hand in. Are him & Bazeley mates?
People are going on about Bazeley being a route one, old school English type gaffer, but his most recent team the U19s didn't play like that, and neither did Hay's AWs. Coaches evolve, plus match tactics to what players they have. Well the good ones do.
Blind Freddie can see that the new AWs coach, will have in their squad the best group of technically gifted players in the team's history.
Dunno what you are basing your opinion on the U19's playing attractive football. They played incredibly disjointed and missed easy opportunities in every game look at this miss of an open goal and the quality of the opposition? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DfpVCRt0KgU Why hire a national coach based on their record in Oceania and not not at the Club World Cup? Also do you remember Beazley coaching the U17 team at home age group world cup? He and Hay had 3 years working with the same group of players in the national league for the world cup tournament at home and all they could come up when the tournament arrived was 10 men behind the ball. Anyone but Beazley. If Hay took NZ back to the 90s and had no idea how to structure an offense the Beazley will take us right back to the 70s.
Oh and I can't be arsed fact checking your comments indepth. But you haven't even bothered to spell Bazeley's name correctly. Well done on Hay
Though I know NZ hasn't hosted a home U17 WC since 1999, when I doubt either Bazeley or Hay were in charge. Bazeley had the U17s from 2011-2013 & U20s from 2013-2017 (plus now). I guess you are referring to the U20 home WC in 2015, but hey just make some World Cups up if that best fits your narrative.
Also to pick one small clip from that U19 tourney is just stupid. I could collect a whole heap of short clips from the same tourney of nicely constructed goals.
At the end of the day how Bazeley or anyone was coaching 5 years ago ain't that important. Coaches learn & evolve as they go along. It's what they are doing now that is the crux. Some of those early age group teams Bazeley coached, would have had more long forgotten names, than players who have gone on to big things.
That's not to say he should be the AWs coach, but an acknowledgement that with the rise of the Nix & Ole Academies, plus other pathways there are better more technical young players coming out of NZ now, than ever before. So there is a newish rising expectation that when these kids play for the various national teams through the ranks, that solely route one ain't on the agenda.
You can watch any of the highlights from the U19 team and see how sloppy they were. I did not think it was necessary to post every video but would have thought the final was the best example where you would expect theme to be at their peak except they were shoddy and inefficient.
Yes i am talking about the U20 WC in 2015 and yet I see you had no explanation for it. How Hay and Bazeley where shown to be completely devoid of any ideas after years with the same squad? They had nothing. I think it suits your narrative to just change the subject without addressing it. You say coaches evolve? based on what? Based on Hay taking over player from other peoples academies or development teams? How has Hay evolved? How did he even get the job? Tribulietx won seven consecutive OFC Champions League titles between 2011 and 2017, the highest consecutive streak of any manager for any continental or international competition. As a result, Auckland City has qualified for seven consecutive Club World Cup competitions. Tribulietx guided Auckland to a third-placed finish in the 2014 FIFA Club World Cup. Yet Hay was better? Really looking forward to these "heaps of clips" from the U19s that show fluent passing through midfield and executing precision goals.
The players are not the best judge of who the best coach is, you are making no sense. The best judge is the results. The players can like or not like the coach based on their own personal performance and selection. This attitude seems to plague NZ sports, the coaches have to be "mates" with the players. Wood for the last 2 years could not hit the target if it was the size of barn door and yet he should be the sole judge of whether a coach is any good? He will like a coach who picks him for a World Cup where he will be too old and slow to be of any use.
Seems Ramon T has been an assistant most his career but in fairness he has done well when in charge of AUCK City especially at CWC. Done well on world stage with amatuer/slightly well paid side against pros.
I just feel in the interview (if he got one) that Chris Wood would be thinking who the hell is this guy
no idea if CW would know Romon, he might have heard of him given the history with Auckland FC. But if you're worried about Talay's lack of experience then you have to be ooking at Romon's in the same manner. He's on managed semi-pro clubs and then been the assistant for the same kind of clubs. So not really baniging the door down for an interntational gig.
Ramon has a far better CV than Hay did. It isn't about Talay's lack of experience, it's about his particular flaws which would be particularly problematic in an international environment.
The players are not the best judge of who the best coach is, you are making no sense. The best judge is the results. The players can like or not like the coach based on their own personal performance and selection. This attitude seems to plague NZ sports, the coaches have to be "mates" with the players. Wood for the last 2 years could not hit the target if it was the size of barn door and yet he should be the sole judge of whether a coach is any good? He will like a coach who picks him for a World Cup where he will be too old and slow to be of any use.
Oh dear. Have you been sniffing glue. Had a frontal lobotomy. Your cred was low, now it's moved into negative territory.
In fairness to Ted Striker he is correct in a way - results should be the telling factor however in NZ Sport it now is not. Coaches are somewhat facilitators and often it's what the group wants from them. Female sport and particularly the Ferns went through a period of it and it seems to be creeping into the male side.
However, Wood stuck up for Hay when the younger cotton wool didn't like his style. Wood will have a definite say and tell some of them to pull their heads in hopefully with the new coach.
NZ a hard place to be a coach in any sport these days like Ted Striker says you best try be friends and give them all a fair run. In fact could be worse, that USA coach screwed over from a players mum by bringing up dirt from 30 years ago for not playing her son! crazy. Maybe we not that bad after all.
Also not sold on Ramon. Just that CWC form makes you think he could go ok.
The players are not the best judge of who the best coach is, you are making no sense. The best judge is the results. The players can like or not like the coach based on their own personal performance and selection. This attitude seems to plague NZ sports, the coaches have to be "mates" with the players. Wood for the last 2 years could not hit the target if it was the size of barn door and yet he should be the sole judge of whether a coach is any good? He will like a coach who picks him for a World Cup where he will be too old and slow to be of any use.
Oh dear. Have you been sniffing glue. Had a frontal lobotomy. Your cred was low, now it's moved into negative territory.
Whahahah and your cheap playground insults have really increased your credibility. Unless of course your are still at primary school. In that case fair play.
The players are not the best judge of who the best coach is, you are making no sense. The best judge is the results. The players can like or not like the coach based on their own personal performance and selection. This attitude seems to plague NZ sports, the coaches have to be "mates" with the players. Wood for the last 2 years could not hit the target if it was the size of barn door and yet he should be the sole judge of whether a coach is any good? He will like a coach who picks him for a World Cup where he will be too old and slow to be of any use.
Oh dear. Have you been sniffing glue. Had a frontal lobotomy. Your cred was low, now it's moved into negative territory.
Still waiting for those "heaps of clips" from the U19 dream team.
But to suggest in anyway the Woodsman is a donkey, and not worthy of being in the AWs is outright loopey. In no way at all does he need to be mates with the AWs gaffer. But he will know far far more than any of us know whether the Hay/Bazeley combo was any good, and the type of a coach that is best suited to leading the AWs into the next 4 years.
Again how Hay, Bazeley or anyone coached 7-8 years ago is not that relevant. What type of players did they have then, compared to the present? It's about the here & now. Of course coaches can evolve (especially over 8 odd years), we all can. What's the point of living if you can't seek to learn & improve yourself.
On a sidenote the very protective Declan Edge would not have allowed Hay anywhere near his Ole cohort - when Hay lead them to the Handy Prem title with Eastern Suburbs - if Edge thought in anyway Hay was coaching from the 1990s. Hay would have learnt alot from that season alone as a youngest head coach, having the Mad Hatter beside him.
Anyway you ain't going to change my mind, and me yours. It's all a bit pointless.
But to suggest in anyway the Woodsman is a donkey, and not worthy of being in the AWs is outright loopey. In no way at all does he need to be mates with the AWs gaffer. But he will know far far more than any of us know whether the Hay/Bazeley combo was any good, and the type of a coach that is best suited to leading the AWs into the next 4 years.
Again how Hay, Bazeley or anyone coached 7-8 years ago is not that relevant. What type of players did they have then, compared to the present? It's about the here & now. Of course coaches can evolve (especially over 8 odd years), we all can. What's the point of living if you can't seek to learn & improve yourself.
On a sidenote the very protective Declan Edge would not have allowed Hay anywhere near his Ole cohort - when Hay lead them to the Handy Prem title with Eastern Suburbs - if Edge thought in anyway Hay was coaching from the 1990s. Hay would have learnt alot from that season alone as a youngest head coach, having the Mad Hatter beside him.
Anyway you ain't going to change my mind, and me yours. It's all a bit pointless.
Let’s be honest though, Woodsy isn’t in vintage form for club or country and he’s not entirely a Kane type player who can drop deep into a ten role and create something.
And while there has been a lot to commend Hayball for, the struggle to score from open play was real. The most recent and interesting throw of the dice was a de Jong/ Wood partnership.
Watching Talay’s games I can usually get a sense of how they’re trying to score. Last week crosses to the big man, earlier in the season balls in behind for Waine or Kosta, ditto Sotirio last year, any Uli season, just get him the ball. There seem to be a range of set pieces that have worked over the years. Most notably Taylor/Wootton/Rufer at the back post on corners either nodding it in or back across.
Hayball could be fluid. It held possession. It shone the spotlight on Garbett and Just and they looked good. But there were no gnarled veteran goal scorers like Leckie or Mitch Duke to take advantage imo.
Martinb i agree re Woods he's a battler against nations outside of the pacific or these last minute countries we get. He's not a genuine footballer he's definitely hard to watch sometimes. Plays he best football when teams launch it long or bang crosses into the box. But at the end of the day to his credit he does put NZ first and has a reputation that he holds a lot of power inside the camp. Fair play he's made a more than decent career being a bang average footballer.
Re your comment on TALAY....you'd hope every coach wanted to try score...that's not the issue...the issue is he struggles to win games and his teams leak like a seive.
Martinb i agree re Woods he's a battler against nations outside of the pacific or these last minute countries we get. He's not a genuine footballer he's definitely hard to watch sometimes. Plays he best football when teams launch it long or bang crosses into the box. But at the end of the day to his credit he does put NZ first and has a reputation that he holds a lot of power inside the camp. Fair play he's made a more than decent career being a bang average footballer.
Re your comment on TALAY....you'd hope every coach wanted to try score...that's not the issue...the issue is he struggles to win games and his teams leak like a seive.
