BAZEball - The Darren Bazeley Era

Can I just say while we're all hammering NZF - perhaps a bit unwise from the Newshub reporter to release the story. Because I think by doing so, they have significantly reduced the chances of him actually coming over and taking the job here. The media coverage and pressure now in Canada/USA is gonna be significant and I can imagine Herdman himself is pretty pissed off at the news getting out. 

If he was a candidate that close to signing it was a breach of trust going public about his private situation. Maybe a tactic by NZF to force the issue but not a good look at all. He had not signed and that is poor form once again. Maybe a tactic to slip Bazley in through the default door.

Transfer Deadline Day 101:

Don't announce a new signing until they have actually signed!

just heard it announced on RNZ, Herdman is staying with Canada until 2026. Two parties at fault, NZF for ever believing he'd leave Canada for us and Herdman for even applplying when his situation wasnt certain. 

I'm guessing whatever the family issue was meant he can't leave Canada - which would suggest wife and kids didnt want to come to NZ.

So, NZF readvertises the role after March?

Also - is it possible that Andrew Gourdies'/Newshubs source was off or he misinterpreted it, and Herdman isn't our guy at all?

Enough said

If he was a candidate that close to signing it was a breach of trust going public about his private situation. Maybe a tactic by NZF to force the issue but not a good look at all. He had not signed and that is poor form once again. Maybe a tactic to slip Bazley in through the default door.

 It wasn't NZF that revealed his identity and published the story though was it?

lthomas20

Also - is it possible that Andrew Gourdies'/Newshubs source was off or he misinterpreted it, and Herdman isn't our guy at all?

that is possible, but who else would be suck a coup for us?

theprof

just heard it announced on RNZ, Herdman is staying with Canada until 2026. Two parties at fault, NZF for ever believing he'd leave Canada for us and Herdman for even applplying when his situation wasnt certain. 

I'm guessing whatever the family issue was meant he can't leave Canada - which would suggest wife and kids didnt want to come to NZ.

So, NZF readvertises the role after March?

Re-advertise it now for crying out loud

oh no they wont want to distract from the upcoming games in March!

theprof

just heard it announced on RNZ, Herdman is staying with Canada until 2026. Two parties at fault, NZF for ever believing he'd leave Canada for us and Herdman for even applplying when his situation wasnt certain. 

I'm guessing whatever the family issue was meant he can't leave Canada - which would suggest wife and kids didnt want to come to NZ.

So, NZF readvertises the role after March?

His kid plays for NZ. The personal situation was probably he's negotiating with Canada.

lthomas20

Enough said

If he was a candidate that close to signing it was a breach of trust going public about his private situation. Maybe a tactic by NZF to force the issue but not a good look at all. He had not signed and that is poor form once again. Maybe a tactic to slip Bazley in through the default door.

 It wasn't NZF that revealed his identity and published the story though was it?

No, it was Rollo and the article was full of "understands" so it was a leak, but it might have been wrong.

Could also have been that Herdman had said no but sent it via fax...

Ryan

theprof

just heard it announced on RNZ, Herdman is staying with Canada until 2026. Two parties at fault, NZF for ever believing he'd leave Canada for us and Herdman for even applplying when his situation wasnt certain. 

I'm guessing whatever the family issue was meant he can't leave Canada - which would suggest wife and kids didnt want to come to NZ.

So, NZF readvertises the role after March?

His kid plays for NZ. The personal situation was probably he's negotiating with Canada.

his kid has represented both NZ (6)  and Canada (1) at youth level though? He also is playing for the Vaouver whitecaps so maybe he wasnt the issue? Has a daughter though who you'd expect will be in school and settled, wife too.

So i was right all along....bet all those who had a pop at me go back into their cave.

Personally i think its Jonathon Gould.

Who ever released the media story must have huge egg on their face....how could you work into the office again.

Showtime Nixie

So i was right all along....bet all those who had a pop at me go back into their cave.

Personally i think its Jonathon Gould.

Who ever released the media story must have huge egg on their face....how could you work into the office again.

 
Gould left NZ just a couple months ago for ‘family reasons’ to go back to the UK. Herdman had ‘family reasons’ too, but you have to think Gould’s circumstances haven’t changed. He’s also only had one head coaching role, Hawkes Bay United and that was 14 years ago, so to give him the national head coaching role would be a big step up.

Correct, but he is well respected in the All Whites camp and they players wanted him to have more input during last campaign. Just wouldn't rule it out.

Don't think Herdman or NZF come out of this looking good. 

Either he was contract until 2026 (seems unlikely unless there was some kind of trigger) or he was negotiating with both sides at the same time and gave some kind of strong impression to NZF he was keen. 

Be very interesting to know when they go this impression from him and whether they checked the statement yesterday with him.

Also of interest is whether Herdman applied apply after the deadline of 8 Nov? Because that was before the WC which would seem a bit strange. So did he apply after the WC which caused everything to be delayed and for Buckingham to pull out before walking back on his (apparent) agreement to NZF.

Herdman releases a statement that he is staying in Canada after NZF says he's the man. Only NZF could f--k it up like that. All it has proven to prospective candidates is how amateurish the NZF really are and how those candidates  have probably dodged a  bullet.

Where all The Pragnell supporters? Coochie n co hello are you there??

Nothings changed with this guy coming in or this organisation. As I've always said you only have to knock on the NZF HQ door and see it for yourself. Some one sent for bread they return with milk.

What are the odds on Pragnell appointing himself?

NZF weren't the ones that announced it was Herdmad - it was Newshub. 
But, you have to wonder what NZF were thinking or asking Herdman if he did actually interview and he was the #1 candidate. Surely you'd be checking what his current contract obligatios were. 
eitherway, NZF/Pragnell come out of this looking amatuerish and Herdman looks like he was using NZF to get Canadian football to offer him a better deal.

theprof

just heard it announced on RNZ, Herdman is staying with Canada until 2026. Two parties at fault, NZF for ever believing he'd leave Canada for us and Herdman for even applplying when his situation wasnt certain. 

I'm guessing whatever the family issue was meant he can't leave Canada - which would suggest wife and kids didnt want to come to NZ.

So, NZF readvertises the role after March?

Let's take Herdman's word as is, NZF approached him with an offer (as well as other offers) all of which he had turned down. He may very well not even had applied and a broken telephone of leaks of NZF's offer to Herdman has been reported as Herdman being the chosen candidate for the AWs coaching job. 

Just so disappointed in the whole thing... the one time it seems like NZ football fans are going to have some of a nice thing, it competely falls apart and leaves us looking in shambles. 

The search for a new All Whites coach appears to be headed back to square one.

Yes, never was anything from NZF that confirmed or denied. I like the Gould shout based on the “family reasons” excuse given. Maybe some of the sleuths on here could do some checking? With his dad being high profile, there maybe something around. 

Showtime Nixie

Where all The Pragnell supporters? Coochie n co hello are you there??

Nothings changed with this guy coming in or this organisation. As I've always said you only have to knock on the NZF HQ door and see it for yourself. Some one sent for bread they return with milk.

Let’s just wait a moment. We still don’t know for certain that the candidate in question is Herdman. But yes if it is, both him & Pragnell/NZF don’t come out of this looking well. NZF indeed were naive, if we take Pragnell’s comments yesterday as gospel 

And who was the overly excited NZF staffer who likely leaked the Herdman name to Newshub? They need a rocket. Without Herdman’s name being leaked this would have been better handled. Still a poor look, but not as bad as getting everyone’s hopes up to then be smashed. You keep that news in-house 

Not sure on all the NZF and Herdman look bad talk on here. 
NZF have never said they had finalised on Herdman, only that they would have like him. NZF have not said who they are doing final negotiations with.
Herdman never said he’d negotiated terms, only that he’d had an offer, which he turned down.
Both those situations are legit as long as NZF asked his current employer if they could speak to him.

The days of ‘read it in the paper, it must be true’ are long gone. Media these days is nothing more than paid social media speculation half the time, and if that makes them ‘look bad’ to anyone, give me a call, I’ve got a bridge I can sell you for a good price.

if Herdman was the preferred candidate and someone in NZF leaked it to Newshub that it was so we can only assume it's fact, then all parties involved should be looking at this situation as a bit of a shark show!
Although it seems Herdman moight not have been the contender NZF were negotiating with......
https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/football/world-cup/131125638/john-herdman-turns-down-all-whites-job-nz-football-says-talks-with-candidate-ongoing

Don’t be so quick to believe the Herdman tip came from someone within NZF and leaked to a reporter. How often do you other feverites hear content from this very forum - spouted out during television commentary or in a football article? Often our media just trawl fan forums and the like and parrot rumours etc they read on there. 

Yeah I’m not sure NZF/Pragnell are the ones to chuck under the bus here.

Either the journo has relied on a crook steer from somebody not actually in the know…
or has seen 4 and assumed it was 2+2, only to find out now it is actually 1+3.

clowns

Yeah I’m not sure NZF/Pragnell are the ones to chuck under the bus here.

Either the journo has relied on a crook steer from somebody not actually in the know…
or has seen 4 and assumed it was 2+2, only to find out now it is actually 1+3.

That's an amazing analogy.

coochiee

Showtime Nixie

Where all The Pragnell supporters? Coochie n co hello are you there??

Nothings changed with this guy coming in or this organisation. As I've always said you only have to knock on the NZF HQ door and see it for yourself. Some one sent for bread they return with milk.

Let’s just wait a moment. We still don’t know for certain that the candidate in question is Herdman. But yes if it is, both him & Pragnell/NZF don’t come out of this looking well. NZF indeed were naive, if we take Pragnell’s comments yesterday as gospel 

And who was the overly excited NZF staffer who likely leaked the Herdman name to Newshub? They need a rocket. Without Herdman’s name being leaked this would have been better handled. Still a poor look, but not as bad as getting everyone’s hopes up to then be smashed. You keep that news in-house 

I guess you could say the possible leak by someone at NZF is similar to an athlete or team celebrating too early in sport.

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/sport/2023/02/football-new-zealand-football-continues-talks-with-preferred-candidate-for-next-all-whites-coach-after-john-herdman-rejection.html

NZF seem to be saying that Herdman wasn't their preferred candidate?

God, I wake up from night shift to this!?

NZF with egg on their face again... When will people at this organisation actually wake up and do their job competently? It's actually beyond a joke - Gaffe after gaffe, after gaffe. I know if I was that shark at my job I'd be down the road.

We're a laughing stock. 

2ndBest

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/sport/2023/02/football-new-zealand-football-continues-talks-with-preferred-candidate-for-next-all-whites-coach-after-john-herdman-rejection.html

NZF seem to be saying that Herdman wasn't their preferred candidate?

Or Herdman is Rudaning Canada - not sure I'd want him if that were the case (and I think its by far the less likely scenario).

So who ever wrote the article, should have asked NZF for a statement about their investigation and ask tocomment. But even after the 'leak' the was no clear communication from NZF, at least what I was reading. NZF talked about 'personal issues' and that they have someone, blabla.
NZF said before christmas that they will announce the coach in January (as far as I can remember) so I thought there must be some truth in the Herdman news.

Gourdie or Rollo make this up? Some one has to go down for it - could be one of the biggest blunders in nz media history. You couldn't come back from it...embarrassing!

I still believe it could be Jonathon Gould. Like i said in previous posts he has strong ties with NZ and probably has property here. He is well respected in the environment and the players wanted him to share ideas and opinions more they demand his voice to be heard. He's been a pro and knows the top level and demands of it. After some research it seems his old man Bobby has coached wales and could be a good mentor. I definitely see how the senior pros in the group would vote for him. We know he had to head home for family health so not sure where that's at. Can he coach? I haven't heard he cant...or that he can.

Who else could it be? 

Ramon? are we going with that guess again? 

This is an absolute sham. We could be close or we could be miles off. 

Napier Phoenix

Don’t be so quick to believe the Herdman tip came from someone within NZF and leaked to a reporter. How often do you other feverites hear content from this very forum - spouted out during television commentary or in a football article? Often our media just trawl fan forums and the like and parrot rumours etc they read on there. 

Rollo isn't just a hack though and Piney has backed him up. My guess is someone within or connected to nzf led Rollo to the wrong conclusion.

I've heard the 5 shortlisted candidates were Herdman, Bazeley, Talay, Buckingham and Paul Nevin - process of elimination would suggest the answer but I have no idea how reliable my maths (or rumour source) is.

Piney has said on Twitter that the candidate was 100% John Herdman. Ufuk has said if NZF asked him to coach the team he'd say no.

Very weird. 

This has annoyed me beyond caring now... all I can hear is the Benny Hill theme tune running through my head... 

So I think there are two option here.
1) this is NZF trying to save face by  saying there is someone else out there  
2) Herdman was the preferred candidate at some stage, he declined it (he's admitted he turned down a contract), and now the new preferred person with finally health issues is the target