2017 National Youth League

Team Wellington Youth trial invitation

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Obviously it appears (You are saying) he has been appointed coach TW youth 2016?

That is my understanding.

I doubt Miramar would hand it over to Wests - but then again it's an expensive exercise (I take it CF are no longer in the mix?)

All I know on that is that it was offered.

Tasman confirm Youth coaches

ACFC appoint Andy Peat as Youth coach

Southern United appoint Graham Marshall Youth coach

rumour has it that Wests are paying the entry fee to youth league and that Crumoy is coaching along with Ben Sippola, however there is a capped number of ole players allowed to be selected 

If they're the best players available (Ole) then surely they should play? Or do you have token Miramar, Petone, Olympic players?

Given Olympic won the Central League and Miramar finished 3rd with a number of eligible youth players you could hardly call them "token" 

I'd be surprised if any Petone players got near the squad

Is that Crumpy from Miramar

Were there restrictions put on previous Coaches limiting the number of players from (their) a particular club ?

I think they just signed whoever they wanted to tap up for Miramar

The point I'm making is that if a certain club has 16 players that are the best, then surely you would pick them, as opposed to just picking the odd player from here & there to please. After all, you'd want to win the league, therefore you'd pick the best players.

Sssshhhh.. Declan might hear. Hope Ben Sippola isnt going to break away from his mentors mantra - "its all about player development".

It's a hard one to balance I guess. As the players go back to their winter clubs, who does the player development benefit...

It's a shame their isn't the money or fanbase available to just have one season & one club for 'elite' amateur footballers.

Is that Crumpy from Miramar

Will be interesting if Declan is involved!! From what I gather he has never let any of his players be involved in anything where he is not coaching...

Watched a CL game between Wests and LH.. Fireworks galore from him.  Called the players/coaching staff all sorts of derogatory names.Mind you Wests were losing..

I here quite a few of the LH players that played that game were involved in the Youth League Team that won last year.  Presume some of them would still eligible, and players from other clubs.  Will be interesting to see if they get a look in after his attitude towards them and wanting to push his own players. 

There's some very talented players from Lower Hutt City, so here's hoping!

I'm not really in favour of "team limits" & think a squad should be the best available, but as the Coach also represents a fee paying academy some people may cry "conflict of interest" when it comes to determining who are the "best players". They maybe at Ole, maybe not - I wouldnt know.

Of course the pool of players available for selection is also dependant on:

a) Some players choosing not to bother with TW Youth.

b) Wether a club nominates a/any players.

Suppose for various reasons the final squad may be diluted from actually being the "best" Youth Players in the region. - Now what was that about Petone Players....

Anyone seen the Youth draw yet?

2016 NATIONAL YOUTH LEAGUE
PROVISIONAL - MATCH SCHEDULE
Round	Match	HOME	AWAY	Date	KO Time	Venue
Round 1	Match 01	Waitakere United	Hawkes Bay United	Sunday, 16 October 2016	1:00 PM
Round 1	Match 02	Eastern Suburbs	Wellington Phoenix	Sunday, 16 October 2016	1:00 PM
Round 1	Match 03	Team Wellington	Auckland City	Sunday, 16 October 2016	1:00 PM
Round 1	Match 04	Tasman United	Canterbury United	Saturday, 15 October 2016	1:00 PM
Round 1	Match 05	Southern United	Hamilton Wanderers	Sunday, 16 October 2016	1:00 PM
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Round 2	Match 06	Auckland City	Tasman United	Sunday, 30 October, 2016	1:00 PM
Round 2	Match 07	Canterbury United	Southern United	Sunday, 30 October, 2016	1:00 PM
Round 2	Match 08	Wellington Phoenix	Team Wellington	Sunday, 30 October, 2016	1:00 PM
Round 2	Match 09	Hawkes Bay United	Eastern Suburbs	Sunday, 30 October, 2016	1:00 PM
Round 2	Match 10	Hamilton Wanderers	Waitakere United	Sunday, 30 October, 2016	1:00 PM
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Round 3	Match 11	Team Wellington	Hawkes Bay United	Saturday, 5 November 2016	1:00 PM
Round 3	Match 12	Tasman United	Wellington Phoenix	Saturday, 5 November 2016	1:00 PM
Round 3	Match 13	Canterbury United	Auckland City	Sunday, 6 November, 2016	1:00 PM
Round 3	Match 14	Southern United	Waitakere United	Saturday, 5 November 2016	1:00 PM
Round 3	Match 15	Eastern Suburbs	Hamilton Wanderers	Sunday, 6 November, 2016	1:00 PM
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Round 4	Match 16	Hawkes Bay United	Tasman United	Sunday, 13 November 2016	1:00 PM
Round 4	Match 17	Auckland City	Southern United	Sunday, 13 November 2016	1:00 PM
Round 4	Match 18	Hamilton Wanderers	Team Wellington	Sunday, 13 November 2016	1:00 PM
Round 4	Match 19	Waitakere United	Eastern Suburbs	Sunday, 13 November 2016	1:00 PM
Round 4	Match 20	Wellington Phoenix	Canterbury United	Sunday, 13 November 2016	1:00 PM
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Round 5	Match 21	Canterbury United	Hawkes Bay United	Sunday, 20 November 2016	1:00 PM
Round 5	Match 22	Auckland City	Wellington Phoenix	Sunday, 20 November 2016	1:00 PM
Round 5	Match 23	Southern United	Eastern Suburbs	Saturday, 19 November 2016	1:00 PM
Round 5	Match 24	Team Wellington	Waitakere United	Saturday, 19 November 2016	1:00 PM
Round 5	Match 25	Tasman United	Hamilton Wanderers	Saturday, 19 November 2016	1:00 PM
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Round 6	Match 26	Waitakere United	Tasman United	Sunday, 27 November 2016	1:00 PM
Round 6	Match 27	Wellington Phoenix	Southern United	Sunday, 27 November 2016	1:00 PM
Round 6	Match 28	Eastern Suburbs	Team Wellington	Sunday, 27 November 2016	1:00 PM
Round 6	Match 29	Hawkes Bay United	Auckland City	Sunday, 27 November 2016	1:00 PM
Round 6	Match 30	Hamilton Wanderers	Canterbury United	Sunday, 27 November 2016	1:00 PM
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Round 7	Match 31	Wellington Phoenix	Hawkes Bay United	Sunday, 4 December, 2016	1:00 PM
Round 7	Match 32	Southern United	Team Wellington	Sunday, 4 December, 2016	1:00 PM
Round 7	Match 33	Tasman United	Eastern Suburbs	Sunday, 4 December, 2016	1:00 PM
Round 7	Match 34	Canterbury United	Waitakere United	Sunday, 4 December, 2016	1:00 PM
Round 7	Match 35	Auckland City	Hamilton Wanderers	Sunday, 4 December, 2016	1:00 PM
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Round 8	Match 36	Team Wellington	Tasman United	Sunday, 11 December 2016	1:00 PM
Round 8	Match 37	Hawkes Bay United	Southern United	Sunday, 11 December 2016	1:00 PM
Round 8	Match 38	Hamilton Wanderers	Wellington Phoenix	Sunday, 11 December 2016	1:00 PM
Round 8	Match 39	Waitakere United	Auckland City	Sunday, 11 December 2016	1:00 PM
Round 8	Match 40	Eastern Suburbs	Canterbury United	Sunday, 11 December 2016	1:00 PM
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Round 9	Match 41	Tasman United	Southern United	Saturday, 17 December 2016	1:00 PM
Round 9	Match 42	Canterbury United	Team Wellington	Sunday, 18 December 2016	1:00 PM
Round 9	Match 43	Auckland City	Eastern Suburbs	Sunday, 18 December 2016	1:00 PM
Round 9	Match 44	Wellington Phoenix	Waitakere United	Sunday, 18 December 2016	1:00 PM
Round 9	Match 45	Hawkes Bay United	Hamilton Wanderers	Sunday, 18 December 2016	1:00 PM

I figured they'd play before the SS Premiership games seeing as it's the exact same teams? This draw is very different.

Probably partly due to the lack of seats on planes in and out of some of the smaller regions

Youth league only goes for 1 round and I suppose there would be issues at some grounds with changing facilities. 

That's the only reason I can think off why on the 30th October Phoenix play Team Wellington in the youth league with a 1pm KO (probably at Newtown) while in the National League Team Wellington play the Phoenix at Davy F with a 2pm KO!

Team Wellington Youth squad announced here:

http://www.twfc.co.nz/news-2/2016/9/19/team-wellin...

14 x Ole

6 x Lower Hutt

3 x Miramar

3 x Petone

2 x Island Bay

1 x Wellington United

1 x Karori

Is 30 players the usual squad size for this ?..Seems like a lot for 9 x games. Suppose a few can just enjoy the training ;-)

With injury, school exam's etc it needs to be big

Awww... I was hoping for some Machiavellian Conspiracy that it was solely increased from last years 27 man squad to 30 was to ensure the Ole representation remained below a max 50% of squad limit. .....Oh, well ;-).

I thought Wellington united/wee wee Nix had their own SS youth team? Or is it a case of they have spares? 

 Wgtn Phoenix do have their own Youth team playing. Wgtn United is a separate club (entity) below Central League 

Watched ACFC and Hamilton Wanderers youth teams play a preseason friendly at St Peters College this afternoon in the pouring rain. The match was played in 3 x 30 minute spells with both teams ringing the changes between each third. AC scored the only goal in the second third when both teams appeared to have their squad players on the pitch. AC were probably slightly more composed than Hamilton but the latter created far more chances and were unlucky not to come away with at least a draw. I think both teams will be reasonably pleased with their efforts and Hamilton, at least at youth league level do not look out of their depth. They could well surprise a few people come the end of the season.

I thought it was interesting that Hamilton appeared to have at least 3 x Birko players in their squad. Don't know if they will be there when it kicks off proper, but don't think I'd be happy as a local lad making way for out of catchment imports. I know it happens for the senior teams, but thought the youth league have more of a development focus. Agree with assessment above, Hamilton unlucky several times in the 3'rd spell.

Saw that Wanderers had signed the next big thing "Lewis Tiller" was worse than poor. but passed the ball to AC striker for the Goal so i guess that counts as an assist.  Big step down from West Ham to Ham Wan Youth.

He's just a kid who had a crack and then didn't make it so he's back here in NZ. Where else is he meant to go? Who called him the next big thing, some communtiy newspaper reporter who doesn't know jack about football?

Lots of media attention NZfootball weekly multiple posts here etc for winning a competition to go to WestHam. Not knocking him seams like an average player here more the media beat up mostly driven by his Dad.

Hi MisAligned, 

Appreciate the point you are making.

The issue is very few understand that the scheme this lad got to go West Ham on is a commercial activity, whereby the selected players - we've had a couple of young fringe northern league kids from my club be selected as well in recent years - cough up thousands for the opportunity to travel and play a couple of games for Hammers under the Elite Player Academy Experience.

Here's one for starters from our club this January...

http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/football/75594399/Mel...

They tend to speak highly of it afterwards, and sometimes it is also in the club's interest to peddle the line.

But as discerning fans we need to maintain a healthy degree of skepticism and should not place any weighting on it in the real world.

Hope this helps.

 

Bruce has summarised the finer detail but just as a point of order you are (or were) definitely knocking him and as someone else has pointed out he's just a kid having a crack. Be nice.

Apologies to anyone who took offence, my tilt was more against the industry that is developing around young footballers in NZ offering trips,scholarships,contracts to players who may not be up to it for their own financial gain no interest in if its appropriate for the player as long as they can pay the fee.

This I totally endorse.