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ASB Prem players capable of playing A-League

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about 12 years ago

Albert Riera has made it look easy.  Ben Sigmund less so, but he got there in the end.  Ryan Thomas bypassed it altogether...

So, which players currently plying their trade in the ASB Prem are capable of of stepping up to the A-League?

Consider this an unofficial scouting thread...

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about 12 years ago

Don't mean to distract, but Ryan Thomas actually did a season and a half for Waikato FC in the ASB Premiership, (Hicks a couple of seasons, Tyler Boyd one season)

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these are players I think are capable of playing A-league - I have discounted things like who is or isn't a VISA player or what kind of player the Nix are looking for - this is in my mind the list of guys who currently could make an A-League squad.

Roy Krisnha

Jacob Spoonley

Aaron Clapham (that's right)

John Irving

David Mulligan

Jake Butler

Andy McNeil?

I havn't seen much of some of the Spanish guys so I will leave them to someone else to mention.

I'm sure I have missed some people but at least i think i could argue for most of these guys.

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about 12 years ago

Don't mean to distract, but Ryan Thomas actually did a season and a half for Waikato FC in the ASB Premiership, (Hicks a couple of seasons, Tyler Boyd one season)



no worries bruce

i probably wasn't clear, but i meant that ryan thomas skipped the a-league

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about 12 years ago

slightly different to me - and the other one was hijacked by a Waitakere slant.

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about 12 years ago

Tom Biss. 


Okay he already has one cap but he's proving his worth for Hawke's bay at the minute.

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about 12 years ago

Yes, time for another NZ A League team :)

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about 12 years ago

I haven't seen Darren White this year but over the past three seasons I've seen him play , I rate him highly

Other players Jacob Spoonley and Tade. Tade has the X factor, would have to step up his work rate but very talented

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about 12 years ago
Fan wrote:

I haven't seen Darren White this year but over the past three seasons I've seen him play , I rate him highly

Other players Jacob Spoonley and Tade. Tade has the X factor, would have to step up his work rate but very talented


Tade's work rate on Sunday was not lacking. Maybe he had to step up with Krishna getting sent off?

Auckland City FC

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about 12 years ago
chopah wrote:

these are players I think are capable of playing A-league - I have discounted things like who is or isn't a VISA player or what kind of player the Nix are looking for - this is in my mind the list of guys who currently could make an A-League squad.

Roy Krisnha

Jacob Spoonley

Aaron Clapham (that's right)

John Irving

David Mulligan

Jake Butler

Andy McNeil?

I havn't seen much of some of the Spanish guys so I will leave them to someone else to mention.

I'm sure I have missed some people but at least i think i could argue for most of these guys.


Krishna seems to be playing a bit better at Auckland, same way Hoggy seems to be playing worse at Waitak.

Tamati Williams?

Auckland City FC

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about 12 years ago

i reckon williams s better than most bench warmers in the a-league that's for sure and couple possibly make a starting XI

aussie clubs wouldn't use up an import spot on such a player, but he's definitely up to scratch

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about 12 years ago

Presume that you are not referring to guys that have already made the AW's and played at a higher level like Ivan Vicelich?

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about 12 years ago
chopah wrote:

these are players I think are capable of playing A-league - I have discounted things like who is or isn't a VISA player or what kind of player the Nix are looking for - this is in my mind the list of guys who currently could make an A-League squad.

Roy Krisnha

Jacob Spoonley

Aaron Clapham (that's right)

John Irving

David Mulligan

Jake Butler

Andy McNeil?

I havn't seen much of some of the Spanish guys so I will leave them to someone else to mention.

I'm sure I have missed some people but at least i think i could argue for most of these guys.


Don't think McNeil has shown enough yet, he's saved two penalties, but he hasn't really pulled off any remarkable saves from memory - WaiBOP tend to play excellent defence for long spells, before slipping up totally and conceding a very easy chance which McNeil has no hope of saving. So the jury is still out for mine.
If Chris Bale was younger, he for sure would have been snapped up I reckon, quality player. 
And, throwing a name out there - Maksim Manko. I'm not saying he's A-League quality (he isn't), but people had suggested his name before and I shot it down, but he really has made some excellent improvements, a real quality player now. His workrate isn't probably good enough for the A-League, but he's so versatile that you could do a lot worse for a squad player. 
Just thought I should give him some credit after previously being sceptical of his chances at higher levels.
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about 12 years ago

Don't mean to distract, but Ryan Thomas actually did a season and a half for Waikato FC in the ASB Premiership, (Hicks a couple of seasons, Tyler Boyd one season)

Not to mention Sigmund (ACFC), Barbarouses (TW) and Brockie (HBU), oh and Rojas (Waikato). Just goes to show what a good breeding ground the ASBP has proved for Kiwi players.

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about 12 years ago
Bluemagic wrote:

Don't mean to distract, but Ryan Thomas actually did a season and a half for Waikato FC in the ASB Premiership, (Hicks a couple of seasons, Tyler Boyd one season)

Not to mention Sigmund (ACFC), Barbarouses (TW) and Brockie (HBU), oh and Rojas (Waikato). Just goes to show what a good breeding ground the ASBP has proved for Kiwi players.



Wasnt Siggy CU as well ?
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reg22 wrote:

chettleburgh? still only 21...

Tagged as cock factor x11

Grumpy old bastard alert

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about 12 years ago

Find that quite surprising. Difficult to believe, in fact.

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about 12 years ago

The very reason he was jettisoned from U20s. 'Poison' to use a directly quoted adjective.

Grumpy old bastard alert

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about 12 years ago

In my opinion I don't think Chettleburgh ticks enough boxes. Good player, yeah but I haven't seen him offer a lot of the important attributes needed to go up a level.

Fuck this stupid game

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about 12 years ago
Jeff Vader wrote:

The very reason he was jettisoned from U20s. 'Poison' to use a directly quoted adjective.

 

There are two sides to that story.

Incredible stamina. No shame. Yellow Fever.

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about 12 years ago
Smithy wrote:
Jeff Vader wrote:

The very reason he was jettisoned from U20s. 'Poison' to use a directly quoted adjective.

 


There are two sides to that story.

I'll be upfront and say I have only heard one side so I am open to the other side

Grumpy old bastard alert

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about 12 years ago
Jeff Vader wrote:

The very reason he was jettisoned from U20s. 'Poison' to use a directly quoted adjective.


I have to say in my limited contact with him I've found him to be the complete opposite of that.
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about 12 years ago

Tim Myers ..

we only sing when were winning
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Big T wrote:

Tim Myers ..

Oh stop it you... Next you'll throw out names like Nathan Strom, Matt Cuneen, Craig Wylie for a laugh too

Grumpy old bastard alert

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about 12 years ago

El grap people tend to act a little differently in a competitive environment. I've met plenty of guys who are top blokes but can be c***s on the training paddock etc. And from what I hear it gets a lot worse the higher up you play.

Fuck this stupid game

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about 12 years ago

Dunno the other 3 Myers is excellent...

Can't think of. Better centre back in the league

we only sing when were winning
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about 12 years ago

Were you being serious? I thought you were having a laugh.

Tim Myers struggles to tie his own laces some days such is the comedy of his football.

Grumpy old bastard alert

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about 12 years ago
N-Bomb wrote:

Don't think McNeil has shown enough yet, he's saved two penalties, but he hasn't really pulled off any remarkable saves from memory - WaiBOP tend to play excellent defence for long spells, before slipping up totally and conceding a very easy chance which McNeil has no hope of saving. So the jury is still out for mine.


People tend to overlook the effect the goalkeepers can have on their defenders, particularly in a league with so few top-class players with the ability to do something sublime. You say that WaiBOP play excellent defence for long spells with individual errors costing them so it could be that McNeil is an excellent organiser. I've always believed that an excellent goalkeeper can snuff out chances before they become chances by communicating well and being organised. Often the most underrated goalkeepers are those who are unspectacular and people tend not to recognise the effect a communicative and organised goalkeeper can have on the way a team defends

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Fletch wrote:
N-Bomb wrote:

Don't think McNeil has shown enough yet, he's saved two penalties, but he hasn't really pulled off any remarkable saves from memory - WaiBOP tend to play excellent defence for long spells, before slipping up totally and conceding a very easy chance which McNeil has no hope of saving. So the jury is still out for mine.


People tend to overlook the effect the goalkeepers can have on their defenders, particularly in a league with so few top-class players with the ability to do something sublime. You say that WaiBOP play excellent defence for long spells with individual errors costing them so it could be that McNeil is an excellent organiser. I've always believed that an excellent goalkeeper can snuff out chances before they become chances by communicating well and being organised. Often the most underrated goalkeepers are those who are unspectacular and people tend not to recognise the effect a communicative and organised goalkeeper can have on the way a team defends



spot on fletch

this applies even down to the situation where a keeper positions a defender to cut off the more difficult half of the goal, so the striker only sees the easy half and the keeper ends up making what appears to the untrained eye to be a routine save

also, ever seen a keeper dive before a close range shot is made?  at a decent level this generally means that the keeper has positioned his defenders well and in a split second been able to decipher the most likely area of danger prior to the striker making contact with the ball

the finer arts of our game are often hidden from plain view all over the pitch - positioning, body shape, anticipation, etc are often difficult to notice. 

i remember watching steve sumner completely own a national league game once.  when i got home and watched the highlights on tele, he was anonymous. 

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about 12 years ago
Fletch wrote:
N-Bomb wrote:

Don't think McNeil has shown enough yet, he's saved two penalties, but he hasn't really pulled off any remarkable saves from memory - WaiBOP tend to play excellent defence for long spells, before slipping up totally and conceding a very easy chance which McNeil has no hope of saving. So the jury is still out for mine.


People tend to overlook the effect the goalkeepers can have on their defenders, particularly in a league with so few top-class players with the ability to do something sublime. You say that WaiBOP play excellent defence for long spells with individual errors costing them so it could be that McNeil is an excellent organiser. I've always believed that an excellent goalkeeper can snuff out chances before they become chances by communicating well and being organised. Often the most underrated goalkeepers are those who are unspectacular and people tend not to recognise the effect a communicative and organised goalkeeper can have on the way a team defends


I would normally agree but I think this has a large part to do with Aaron Scott at the back. McNeil is a good communicator when the ball is in and around his box, but I'm not sure he does a whole lot of yelling to organise his back four - any more than any other keeper. Plus, he's Scottish, and Yokota probably can't understand a word he's saying!
When the season gets back underway I'll try and take a look, it's hard to notice the subtleties when you're typing every minute though unfortunately. 
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about 12 years ago

David Browne


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about 12 years ago

I think he has potential to be at that level - but he dosn't even get starts for ACFC so probably can't name him yet.

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about 12 years ago

Hes a far better player than tyler boyd


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about 12 years ago
TV wrote:

Hes a far better player than tyler boyd

Has he got a NZ passport yet?
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about 12 years ago

He would be an import (but the ACFC guys will tell you he is a local)

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about 12 years ago

JV seems to know the deets. I would assume so. NZ resident now


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about 12 years ago

Is he a resident? In that case it makes him naturalised and would be local but I understood they were trying to fast track so he could get into the NZ u20s for WC2015?

Otherwise he is PNG tied until he gets it.

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