Southern United capable of playing A League!!!!
It's more than just results that is considered in those scenarios however. Anyway, this isn't happening, Southern are in the league until 2015-2016 regardless of whatever goes on down there.
Six goals conceded in 15 minutes might be an international (i.e. Guinness) record for a national first division result. Anyone interested in checking/applying for the record? I can't be arsed.
Australia beat American Soama 31-0 in an International game. Otago are looking strong.
thetruth never lies
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Speaking of the above match, anoraks may enjoy revisiting the report of it as presented in Sitter fanzine in May 2001
http://sitterfanzine.weebly.com/uploads/1/5/1/0/15102074/do_more_goals_mean_48.pdf
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Do tell.....
18 flights $1000 per pax max. 15 players Coach, Asst Coach, Physio (If needed you can always get local physio) You dont need to take GK Coaches and Kit men.
one nights accomodation in mid price hotel they dont need to stay in 4★ Hotels like Senior team
And would probably be able to fly out after game if Youth games curtain raisers or early Kick off
Why does that need to cost 50K
For Perth maybe but not for East Coast games
Do you know what nemesis means
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Like a Bye ...but with travel !!!
But you wont travel anymore....
Do you know what nemesis means
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Speaking of the above match, [Oz 31 American Samoa 0] anoraks may enjoy revisiting the report of it as presented in Sitter fanzine in May 2001
http://sitterfanzine.weebly.com/uploads/1/5/1/0/15102074/do_more_goals_mean_48.pdf
3 fifteen-yr-olds in the Samoa squad (unlike Southern with just the one?).
"... it was the appropriately named, and the recently convicted (getaway driver in an armed robbery) Con Boutsianis, that got the scoreboard rolling." ....
"Boutsi, won't you drive my car...
Boutsi's gonna be a star
Beep beep, Beep beep, yeah!" - Ericcson Stadium, Kingz v Sth Melbourne ... Ah, they were the days...
"At the end of the drive the lawmen arrive...
I'll take my chance because luck is on my side or something...
Her name is Rio, she don't need to understand...
Oh Rio, Rio, hear them shout across the land..."
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Like a Bye ...but with travel !!!
But you wont travel anymore....
Ill take the points ...!
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Speaking of the above match, [Oz 31 American Samoa 0] anoraks may enjoy revisiting the report of it as presented in Sitter fanzine in May 2001
http://sitterfanzine.weebly.com/uploads/1/5/1/0/15102074/do_more_goals_mean_48.pdf
3 fifteen-yr-olds in the Samoa squad (unlike Southern with just the one?).
"... it was the appropriately named, and the recently convicted (getaway driver in an armed robbery) Con Boutsianis, that got the scoreboard rolling." ....
"Boutsi, won't you drive my car...
Boutsi's gonna be a star
Beep beep, Beep beep, yeah!" - Ericcson Stadium, Kingz v Sth Melbourne ... Ah, they were the days...
Great song, great atmosphere. I remember that game well. Despite a lazy and ignorant Danny Hay recently claiming there wasn't an iota of support for the Kingz, we got over 9,000 to that game at Mt Smart, and that was in the old lowly ethnic-based NSL. Pity about the result because we would have made the playoffs otherwise. I remember Boutsi running over and giving the massed ranks of Bloc 5 the fingers after he scored from a freekick. Only earned him another rousing chorus of...
"Boutsi won't you drive my car...
...and we'll rob a restaurant, beep beep, beep beep, yeah!"
PS - I have to say, those first two years of Bloc 5 supporting the Kingz outstrips the size and noise made by Yellow Fever at Westpac. After the sacking of the Rufers however the decline set in. You don't believe me, look at some old TV clips.
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Also a shit load cheaper for them to be playing in ASBP
More excuses.......
OK you figure out where a budget of in the region of $2 to $3m to fund a team that will have little commercial appeal is going to come from?
Might wanna re-check your estimate mate!!
We do you get a figure that high?
And which is it 2 Million or 3 Million? Big difference there
Probably a drastic over estimate on my part. say $750,000 then, which would probably mean they would need to row across the Tasman every time they played. Same applies to a budget of that size, or $500k or $400k or $300k.....
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This is were NZF should come in then
Thats were Wanderers SC should be playing
What would be of higher quality, A League Youth Team League or ASBP? I would have thought ASBP.
Probably but they should not be in the ASBP.
Correct. Unjust that YHM were removed and sets a dangerous precedent. Do Southern now get removed or do we remove Wanderers because they're shit?
Can't have been that shit, ACFC could only put 2 goals past them both home and away!!
they're losing. on past criteria, they should be kicked out just like youngheart were
and until more recent years youngheart were consistently in the playoffs
Yeah, but they are not there "on past criteria", instead they are a collection of 17 and 18 year olds who have been identified as potential NZ representatives for the 2015 WC, who have been entered into the ASBP by NZ Football as the most cost effective means to give them experience playing together against the best footballers available in NZ in the summers of 2013/14 and 2014/15 leading into and as preparation for the U20 WC in 2015.
As has been identified here, an alternative - playing in A Youth - would cost 100's of $1,000's (does NZ Football want to, or more importantly should NZ Football (and I'd say No!) invest that level of money into one age group team - even if the HPM's son is in the team!??
And yes Reg it's real easy to flippantly say the Wanderers are losing (and they are) however remember the big picture - team of 17 and 18 year olds getting ready to represent NZ in 2015 - and really they have been "in" most games, reading the match reports, if they had converted just a third of the chances they has created, they would at least be mid table. It will be interesting to see how they go next year.
So let's say NZ Football go, "shit Reg is right, Wanderers are shit, let's kick them out. Quick get Reg's number, we don't want another huge loss in the opening game by NZ when we are hosting in 2015, so let's find out how we should instead prepare the 2015 NZ team, Reg will know". What will you say?
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This is were NZF should come in then
Thats were Wanderers SC should be playing
What would be of higher quality, A League Youth Team League or ASBP? I would have thought ASBP.
Probably but they should not be in the ASBP.
Correct. Unjust that YHM were removed and sets a dangerous precedent. Do Southern now get removed or do we remove Wanderers because they're shit?
Can't have been that shit, ACFC could only put 2 goals past them both home and away!!
they're losing. on past criteria, they should be kicked out just like youngheart were
and until more recent years youngheart were consistently in the playoffs
Yeah, but they are not there "on past criteria", instead they are a collection of 17 and 18 year olds who have been identified as potential NZ representatives for the 2015 WC, who have been entered into the ASBP by NZ Football as the most cost effective means to give them experience playing together against the best footballers available in NZ in the summers of 2013/14 and 2014/15 leading into and as preparation for the U20 WC in 2015.
As has been identified here, an alternative - playing in A Youth - would cost 100's of $1,000's (does NZ Football want to, or more importantly should NZ Football (and I'd say No!) invest that level of money into one age group team - even if the HPM's son is in the team!??
And yes Reg it's real easy to flippantly say the Wanderers are losing (and they are) however remember the big picture - team of 17 and 18 year olds getting ready to represent NZ in 2015 - and really they have been "in" most games, reading the match reports, if they had converted just a third of the chances they has created, they would at least be mid table. It will be interesting to see how they go next year.
So let's say NZ Football go, "shit Reg is right, Wanderers are shit, let's kick them out. Quick get Reg's number, we don't want another huge loss in the opening game by NZ when we are hosting in 2015, so let's find out how we should instead prepare the 2015 NZ team, Reg will know". What will you say?
Crickets from Reg.
Ali, same scenario, NZ Football's on the phone to you, "Ali, we can't get hold of Reg and we really don't want another huge loss in the opening game by NZ when we are hosting the U20 World Cup in 2015, but you're right Wanderers shouldn't be in the ASBP, so how should we instead prepare the 2015 NZ team". What will you say?
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This is were NZF should come in then
Thats were Wanderers SC should be playing
What would be of higher quality, A League Youth Team League or ASBP? I would have thought ASBP.
Probably but they should not be in the ASBP.
Correct. Unjust that YHM were removed and sets a dangerous precedent. Do Southern now get removed or do we remove Wanderers because they're shit?
Can't have been that shit, ACFC could only put 2 goals past them both home and away!!
they're losing. on past criteria, they should be kicked out just like youngheart were
and until more recent years youngheart were consistently in the playoffs
Yeah, but they are not there "on past criteria", instead they are a collection of 17 and 18 year olds who have been identified as potential NZ representatives for the 2015 WC, who have been entered into the ASBP by NZ Football as the most cost effective means to give them experience playing together against the best footballers available in NZ in the summers of 2013/14 and 2014/15 leading into and as preparation for the U20 WC in 2015.
As has been identified here, an alternative - playing in A Youth - would cost 100's of $1,000's (does NZ Football want to, or more importantly should NZ Football (and I'd say No!) invest that level of money into one age group team - even if the HPM's son is in the team!??
And yes Reg it's real easy to flippantly say the Wanderers are losing (and they are) however remember the big picture - team of 17 and 18 year olds getting ready to represent NZ in 2015 - and really they have been "in" most games, reading the match reports, if they had converted just a third of the chances they has created, they would at least be mid table. It will be interesting to see how they go next year.
So let's say NZ Football go, "shit Reg is right, Wanderers are shit, let's kick them out. Quick get Reg's number, we don't want another huge loss in the opening game by NZ when we are hosting in 2015, so let's find out how we should instead prepare the 2015 NZ team, Reg will know". What will you say?
Crickets from Reg.
Ali, same scenario, NZ Football's on the phone to you, "Ali, we can't get hold of Reg and we really don't want another huge loss in the opening game by NZ when we are hosting the U20 World Cup in 2015, but you're right Wanderers shouldn't be in the ASBP, so how should we instead prepare the 2015 NZ team". What will you say?
Me: "Hi NZ Football - how did you get my number?"
NZF: "Optimist gave it to us"
Me: "Oh, OK, How can I help"
NZF: "We'd like advice on how to best prepare the U20's team for the 2015 tournament"
Me: "Ah. Well I sell sound systems for a living so I'm probably not the best person to ask"
NZF: "Yes but we're NZF so we have even less clue than you as we've shown by kicking YHM out the ASB Prem in favour of some kids who may play for the U20's"
Me: "Right. Well why don't you ask the advice of any of the other 100's of footballing nations in the world"
NZF: Oh, OK, good idea."
Me: Bye
NZF: "Bye"
Auckland City FC
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This is were NZF should come in then
Thats were Wanderers SC should be playing
What would be of higher quality, A League Youth Team League or ASBP? I would have thought ASBP.
Probably but they should not be in the ASBP.
Correct. Unjust that YHM were removed and sets a dangerous precedent. Do Southern now get removed or do we remove Wanderers because they're shit?
Can't have been that shit, ACFC could only put 2 goals past them both home and away!!
they're losing. on past criteria, they should be kicked out just like youngheart were
and until more recent years youngheart were consistently in the playoffs
Yeah, but they are not there "on past criteria", instead they are a collection of 17 and 18 year olds who have been identified as potential NZ representatives for the 2015 WC, who have been entered into the ASBP by NZ Football as the most cost effective means to give them experience playing together against the best footballers available in NZ in the summers of 2013/14 and 2014/15 leading into and as preparation for the U20 WC in 2015.
As has been identified here, an alternative - playing in A Youth - would cost 100's of $1,000's (does NZ Football want to, or more importantly should NZ Football (and I'd say No!) invest that level of money into one age group team - even if the HPM's son is in the team!??
And yes Reg it's real easy to flippantly say the Wanderers are losing (and they are) however remember the big picture - team of 17 and 18 year olds getting ready to represent NZ in 2015 - and really they have been "in" most games, reading the match reports, if they had converted just a third of the chances they has created, they would at least be mid table. It will be interesting to see how they go next year.
So let's say NZ Football go, "shit Reg is right, Wanderers are shit, let's kick them out. Quick get Reg's number, we don't want another huge loss in the opening game by NZ when we are hosting in 2015, so let's find out how we should instead prepare the 2015 NZ team, Reg will know". What will you say?
Crickets from Reg.
Ali, same scenario, NZ Football's on the phone to you, "Ali, we can't get hold of Reg and we really don't want another huge loss in the opening game by NZ when we are hosting the U20 World Cup in 2015, but you're right Wanderers shouldn't be in the ASBP, so how should we instead prepare the 2015 NZ team". What will you say?
Me: "Hi NZ Football - how did you get my number?"
NZF: "Optimist gave it to us"
Me: "Oh, OK, How can I help"
NZF: "We'd like advice on how to best prepare the U20's team for the 2015 tournament"
Me: "Ah. Well I sell sound systems for a living so I'm probably not the best person to ask"
NZF: "Yes but we're NZF so we have even less clue than you as we've shown by kicking YHM out the ASB Prem in favour of some kids who may play for the U20's"
Me: "Right. Well why don't you ask the advice of any of the other 100's of footballing nations in the world"
NZF: Oh, OK, good idea."
Me: Bye
NZF: "Bye"
Nice.....
But as I expected, all you and Reg are good for is sitting back, pointing out all that is wrong with the game, the competition, the make up of the league, throw brickbats at anything that takes your fancy, but unfortunately completely unable to come up with an original idea between you.
So carry on selling sound systems, but how about stopping throwing so many brickbats about things you have already admitted you have absolutely no idea about.
I think NZF was right to put the Wanderers into the ASBP, the most cost effective means to give those players consistent game time against the best senior footballers on offer over 2 summers.
Yes it sucks for YHM, but that was down to them, if they had played better, not lost so many games, not conceded so many goals, maybe they would be playing this year! But the did and they aren't and NZ has a World Cup to host in less than 18 months and they don't want to embarrass themselves again like they did last year in the UAE.
So before you and Reg throw your next simple 1 line/paragraph brickbat, how about stopping and honouring the spirit of this forum, that is take some time and then post something that is considered and has some substance to it, something that forwards a reasoned discussion.
Or is that too much to ask?
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I guess time will tell if the Wanderers concept was a good idea.
But a few questions for you Optimist
How many of the Wanderers squad will actually make the U20 squad
4 or 5 at best i'd say
And didnt Manawatu have 2 players in U20 Squad in Turkey last year so they must of been doing something right
And Manawatu won 2 games last season Wanderers will win 1 at best this season so by your reasoning Wanderers shouldnt be in the league next year
And why was the Wanderers Squad for Youth league only selected 5 days before there 1st game (as was the Coach too) when it was supposed to be in on Dec 6th
Surely the supposed best players of the U20 age group would be expected to win more than 1 game between them?
Maybe just Maybe Optimist the Wanderers SC teams have not done what they were intially set up to do
As for the spirit of the forum I think its more do as we say not as we do and abuse posters as and when they feel like it
Do you know what nemesis means
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I guess time will tell if the Wanderers concept was a good idea.
But a few questions for you Optimist
How many of the Wanderers squad will actually make the U20 squad
4 or 5 at best i'd say
And didnt Manawatu have 2 players in U20 Squad in Turkey last year so they must of been doing something right
And Manawatu won 2 games last season Wanderers will win 1 at best this season so by your reasoning Wanderers shouldnt be in the league next year
And why was the Wanderers Squad for Youth league only selected 5 days before there 1st game (as was the Coach too) when it was supposed to be in on Dec 6th
Surely the supposed best players of the U20 age group would be expected to win more than 1 game between them?
Maybe just Maybe Optimist the Wanderers SC teams have not done what they were intially set up to do
As for the spirit of the forum I think its more do as we say not as we do and abuse posters as and when they feel like it
Yes Aces you are right time will tell if this was good idea or not. My questioning was more along the lines of if not ASBP, then what? Irrespective of whether a good idea or not I still believe this was the best preparation available, so I guess I'm saying "good idea".
How many of the current Wanderers will make the U20's squad in 2015. A squad of 21, under the U20's thread between 8 and 10 likely additions where identified, so I'd guess 11-13. I think 5-6 is too little based on the discussion/identification outlined in the other thread mentioned.
I'm not sure about the U20's, I know Rufer was in the U17's last year. I also can't find any stats from last season, but MYH conceded about 60 goals in the 11/12 season and (from memory) didn't win a game that season.
I never had any reasoning about what team should be in or out, my reasoning was that it was the right thing to put the Wanderers in to the competition 2013/14 and 2014/15 and I can understand why it was MYH that was removed from ASBP to allow that to happen. No I don't think Wanderers should be removed from the ASBP at the end of the season, even if they lose this weekend, because of why they we're put in there in the first place - to prepare for 2015. While not getting the results, surely they are getting the development/preparation that they we're put in there to get.
Why the Wanderers Youth squad wasn't selected until 5 days before the kick off, and your comment about the coach - no idea at all, you'd have to ask NZF these questions. If that was the case, then I agree with you, that was very poor. Bit like the way that team has played looking at the results. However I hear they have some very young (13, 14, 15) players playing for that team.
Yes I agree with you, I would have thought so too. But reading the match reports, the coach keeps on moaning about his team's inability to convert at the attack end, and some of the games I've seen they have been very unlucky not to come away with a win, let alone a draw. I guess the ability to convert possession and position into goals and results is part of that preparation/development for 2015 that they are in the ASBP to get. And yes I get that not everyone believes they should be there anyway, but again, if not there, then where do they prepare/develop for 2015?
From a results point of view, I think you're right. But from a development/preparation point of view how would you/we/they measure this? Maybe the only way will be seeing how they go next ASBP season. If they have a similar season next year as this year, then I think you're right and NZF will have to have a long hard look at itself in terms of the programs it is running to develop depth and breadth in its age group teams/pools of age group players to choose from.
Regarding the spirit of the forum, you're right, my apologies Reg and Ali, I allowed my frustrations in trying to engage in a serious discussion about the alternative to having Wanderers in the ASBP as a preparation/development tool being answered with shallow dismissive sentences/statements, result in personal statements, so again I apologise.
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Without knowing how much is being spent on keeping the Wanderers in the ASBP I have an alternative to putting them in the ASBP and diluting what should be a serious competition.
Why not spend the same amount on taking the best Under 20 players on a tour of Australia or Asia (or locally) this year and next prior to the WC so they can play as a unit and the Under 20 squad can get used to playing together. Much better to play the team you're going to put out for the 2015 World Cup in bursts than playing fringe players week in and week out in a competition that doesn't want them there. A good four to six match tour this year and the same next year for the full WC squad would be a much more productive way of spending the money than keeping a team of fringe players in the ASBP in mho.
Personally I think the Wanderers concept is just a stop-gap measure instead of a proper preparation.
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Value of a tour without at least 5 of probable starting XI? As they are playing for pro clubs tuiloma, thomas, edge, rufer, ridenton may decide a tour not in a FIFA window might not be the best thing for their careers.
Wanderers concept. Will it be repeated for next crop of u17s - in ASB youth I wonder.
Kotahitanga. We are one.
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Without knowing how much is being spent on keeping the Wanderers in the ASBP I have an alternative to putting them in the ASBP and diluting what should be a serious competition.
Why not spend the same amount on taking the best Under 20 players on a tour of Australia or Asia (or locally) this year and next prior to the WC so they can play as a unit and the Under 20 squad can get used to playing together. Much better to play the team you're going to put out for the 2015 World Cup in bursts than playing fringe players week in and week out in a competition that doesn't want them there. A good four to six match tour this year and the same next year for the full WC squad would be a much more productive way of spending the money than keeping a team of fringe players in the ASBP in mho.
Personally I think the Wanderers concept is just a stop-gap measure instead of a proper preparation.
I wouldn't think too much at all is being spent on having the Wanderers in the ASBP, majority of games "local" with only 4 national flights to HB, Wellington, Chch and Invercargill in a season and no accommodation costs as all same day.
I think what you propose is a good idea, but I think it would be way more expensive than the current 4 national flights. Plus 4-6 games on a tour versus 14 in the ASBP. And you wouldn't get a "complete squad" available to play.
I really think - given the discussion on another thread about what other players are eligible to play in 2015 who are currently playing elsewhere - that there are more "2015 WC Squad players" currently playing in the Wanderers squad than a lot of people would appear to hope to be the case. I think at least 11-13 of the current Wanderers Squad will be in the final 2015 NZ WC squad, which given the results is a little concerning, but that's another discussion, this discussion is whether the Wanderers playing in the ASBP is the best preparation for 2015 - and I personally continue to believe it is, and if not, what's the alternative.
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Value of a tour without at least 5 of probable starting XI? As they are playing for pro clubs tuiloma, thomas, edge, rufer, ridenton may decide a tour not in a FIFA window might not be the best thing for their careers.
Wanderers concept. Will it be repeated for next crop of u17s - in ASB youth I wonder.
I was told it already is, the Wanderers Youth side in the Northern conference of the ASB Youth is, as it was explained to me, made up of Northern based players playing in the NZ football talent groups or whatever they are that are eligible for U17 in 2 years, hence a lot of 13, 14, 15 years olds playing and like the older Wanderers team, they are getting run over from the results I've seen.
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So optimist are there many WYNRS lads playing in that Wanderers youth team? Discussion elsewhere re auk NTC kids not being anywhere near best auk has to offer.
Kotahitanga. We are one.
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Besides Tuiloma, Rufer, Ridington, Thomas and Edge, what other NZ Under 20 players playing for professional clubs would qualify for the WC Under 20 team in 1015? I understand there's a possibility David Browne's citizenship qualification may be speeded up and then there's also Sam Burfoot at ACFC.
Lets be honest, if most of the WC Under 20 squad is going to come from the Wanderers, then we're in for some hidings in this showcase event.
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Blue magic, which Auckland player could be the new Reira if given a shot with the Phoenix?
Auckland will rise once more
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Besides Tuiloma, Rufer, Ridington, Thomas and Edge, what other NZ Under 20 players playing for professional clubs would qualify for the WC Under 20 team in 1015? I understand there's a possibility David Browne's citizenship qualification may be speeded up and then there's also Sam Burfoot at ACFC.
Lets be honest, if most of the WC Under 20 squad is going to come from the Wanderers, then we're in for some hidings in this showcase event.
Hey BM, there's quite a long discussion on who else is available for NZ U20 in 2015 under the U20 thread under NZ/International teams or whatever it is.
On transfer market Sam's DOB is showing as April 94 which would make him too old, have to be born 1995 or later to be eligible.
Umm, I think there is merit it what you say. The Wanderers opened their season with a draw against Canterbury in round 1, lost to Waitak, then drew with WaiBop and then lost every game after that. In their first 4 games they scored 8 goals, (conceded 12 goals) and then before today scored only 8 goals in their next 9 games (while conceding 25) - I "corrected" the first HB outcome to the "on the park" result.
Has the team improved over the 14 matches, the results say no. Has the individual player development out weighted the "team performance"? And most importantly, is the NZ U20 squad on track for 2015?
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So optimist are there many WYNRS lads playing in that Wanderers youth team? Discussion elsewhere re auk NTC kids not being anywhere near best auk has to offer.
Sorry Global, no idea.
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jeebers optimist you need to chill out a touch. i don't think it's worth getting a hernia over
i thought i'd articulated my point quite well in the past and i'm not going to repeat myself to save you the time in reading back. i think that the idea has merit, but does not belong in the national league.
oh, and i reserve the right to not log on to my computer for a few days, if that's ok with you of course
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Yep, agree, my apology to you and Ali is at the end of post #177.
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Regarding the spirit of the forum, you're right, my apologies Reg and Ali, I allowed my frustrations in trying to engage in a serious discussion about the alternative to having Wanderers in the ASBP as a preparation/development tool being answered with shallow dismissive sentences/statements, result in personal statements, so again I apologise.
didn't see this until now sorry mate and it's sweet as
i understand your passion
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no worries mate, i appreciate the apology, but you don't need to apologise for arguing your corner, which you did so effectively.
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Blue magic, which Auckland player could be the new Reira if given a shot with the Phoenix?
Danko a few years ago but not now. Not sure there is one at present in midfield. Perhaps Bale but he seems to have lost his edge of late. John Irving is the one who could step up, at the back, in my opinion. I think Tade is a better striker than Brockie because he knows how to make quick defence-splitting runs and has better ball control.
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Blue magic, which Auckland player could be the new Reira if given a shot with the Phoenix?
Danko a few years ago but not now. Not sure there is one at present in midfield. Perhaps Bale but he seems to have lost his edge of late. John Irving is the one who could step up, at the back, in my opinion. I think Tade is a better striker than Brockie because he knows how to make quick defence-splitting runs and has better ball control.
This.
"At the end of the drive the lawmen arrive...
I'll take my chance because luck is on my side or something...
Her name is Rio, she don't need to understand...
Oh Rio, Rio, hear them shout across the land..."
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Alternative: Instead of midweek games against Phoenix 'A', why not get the ASB Prem teams to play midweek friendlies against the Wanderers rather than having them as a member of the league?
Auckland City FC
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I think Irving is a better player than any of Phoenix's existing fullback options. By some distance.
I guess it's one of the hazards of the Merrick era that he is prone to picking up on things that Ricki may have disregarded.
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Not sure about Clapham but definitely John Irving and Krishna. Sam Burfoot has been superb for the Auckland and could definitely make the grade. Jake Butler is not up to it
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Sam Burfoot is a natural, and much younger, replacement for Riera
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Sam Burfoot is a natural, and much younger, replacement for Riera
Different types of players though, no? Irving would easily step up, much superior player to the likes of Caira/Boxall/Brindell-South etc, just a problem with the import status. Still worth it imo
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