Petone look strong compared to Miramar. I can’t see them pulling through to make NL.
Wonder when questions start to get asked about the coach
I think there is an element of Kale doing well beyond the first team being a technical director first and head coach second. My only thing is that the social side to Miramar is a product of Better Football fielding teams under the Miramar banner so is Kale doing well or is better football doing well.
If you think a technical director has anything to do with social footy then you are indeed a shambles
You might need an ice pack pal because that was my point.
Petone look strong compared to Miramar. I can’t see them pulling through to make NL.
Wonder when questions start to get asked about the coach
I think there is an element of Kale doing well beyond the first team being a technical director first and head coach second. My only thing is that the social side to Miramar is a product of Better Football fielding teams under the Miramar banner so is Kale doing well or is better football doing well.
If you think a technical director has anything to do with social footy then you are indeed a shambles
You might need an ice pack pal because that was my point.
Petone look strong compared to Miramar. I can’t see them pulling through to make NL.
Wonder when questions start to get asked about the coach
I think there is an element of Kale doing well beyond the first team being a technical director first and head coach second. My only thing is that the social side to Miramar is a product of Better Football fielding teams under the Miramar banner so is Kale doing well or is better football doing well.
If you think a technical director has anything to do with social footy then you are indeed a shambles
You might need an ice pack pal because that was my point.
Petone look strong compared to Miramar. I can’t see them pulling through to make NL.
Wonder when questions start to get asked about the coach
I think there is an element of Kale doing well beyond the first team being a technical director first and head coach second. My only thing is that the social side to Miramar is a product of Better Football fielding teams under the Miramar banner so is Kale doing well or is better football doing well.
I'm sure Mike is reading this and laughing, he's certainly a passionate member of the club and has had positive impacts on their social & women's programs but I don't think he's actively involved in the men's or men's development side of the club to anywhere near the same extent.
Despite the pasting the first team got, the reserves did win vs the Olympic ressies 6-2. I didn't see it and can't say it means anything definitively but it does indicate some decent depth at Miramar even if the top end quality isn't there right now.
They said that the player involved was subbed immediately afterwards, which would make it Samuel Wall?
The video looks like it was an exchange between Conchie and Mandalawi. If it's true players have had up to 10 weeks on the sidelines for similar offences. Although I remember last year the physio for the nix called an Olympic player a filthy f*cking Greek, or words to that effect and nothing came of it.
If it goes to NZF there are two areas to look at in terms of the diciplinary code
9.1 Any person who offends the dignity or integrity of a country, a person or group of people through contemptuous, discriminatory or derogatory words or actions (by any means whatsoever) on account of race, skin colour, ethnic, national or social origin, gender, disability, sexual orientation, language, religion, political opinion, wealth, birth or any other status or any other reason, shall be sanctioned with a suspension lasting at least ten Playing Days or a specific period at least as similar in length, or any other appropriate disciplinary measure.
or
14.1 A Player or Official who publicly incites others to hatred or violence will be sanctioned with Match suspension for no less than twelve months and with a minimum fine of $200.
I'd be interested to see what the ref heard because Conchie wasn't booked and the game went on.
The ref clearly didn't hear anything or a card would have been dealt out. This is going to be quite like the Qatar incident, we're going to have to assume the Petone players aren't just making it up
Based on it going all the way to the press you would assume this is legitimate. What's even more disappointing is the coaches didn't show up for the after match and left a 17 year old to do the after match speech, where he apparently apologised for the language that was used. If this is true, the lack of leadership shown by the coaches is pretty embarrassing. It will be interesting to see what comes of all of this, get the popcorn ready.
Based on it going all the way to the press you would assume this is legitimate. What's even more disappointing is the coaches didn't show up for the after match and left a 17 year old to do the after match speech, where he apparently apologised for the language that was used. If this is true, the lack of leadership shown by the coaches is pretty embarrassing. It will be interesting to see what comes of all of this, get the popcorn ready.
They have been doing this for several years, and I assume it is intended to be a leadership/character thing, but this is definitely a moment where the coaching staff should have stood up, even alongside having the player do the speech. The bigger issue is that the coaching staff have been criticised for their behaviour toward referees and opponents a few times in the last couple of years. Things get said in a competitive environment, but it's not a good look for the coaches of an academy side.
Well handled I think by the Phoenix. Being upfront about it and putting responsibility on the player, but also continuing to support him. It's good that they are ensuring there will be a way back for him and that this doesn't have to be career-ending but ultimately he has got to serve his suspension without fuss as we're trying to stamp this out from the game.
Club is joking when they say this "isn't part of their culture" (at least at the reserves). They maybe not homophobic before but they have been pretty much everything else. As been pointed out previously a number of times in these threads, online and at the games, Greenie and Coleman are terrible examples on the sidelines and it rubs off on those players.
Honestly think if Conchie hadn't done the right thing, they may have tried to sweep this under the carpet though that would have been hard with it going to the press, but I actually give Conchie more credit for standing up and owning it.
It may cost him a 1st team spot, it may not, but he is still young and made a mistake. I hope he continues to learn from this and does succeed.
As for the Nix academy, I hope they learn from this as well and clean up their own act. Hopefully then Conchie standing up, won't go to waste!
Club is joking when they say this "isn't part of their culture" (at least at the reserves). They maybe not homophobic before but they have been pretty much everything else. As been pointed out previously a number of times in these threads, online and at the games, Greenie and Coleman are terrible examples on the sidelines and it rubs off on those players.
Honestly think if Conchie hadn't done the right thing, they may have tried to sweep this under the carpet though that would have been hard with it going to the press, but I actually give Conchie more credit for standing up and owning it.
It may cost him a 1st team spot, it may not, but he is still young and made a mistake. I hope he continues to learn from this and does succeed.
As for the Nix academy, I hope they learn from this as well and clean up their own act. Hopefully then Conchie standing up, won't go to waste!
I agree they have a problem. The only time my boy complains about other teams was either Ole or the Phoenix Academy kids.
Club is joking when they say this "isn't part of their culture" (at least at the reserves). They maybe not homophobic before but they have been pretty much everything else. As been pointed out previously a number of times in these threads, online and at the games, Greenie and Coleman are terrible examples on the sidelines and it rubs off on those players.
Honestly think if Conchie hadn't done the right thing, they may have tried to sweep this under the carpet though that would have been hard with it going to the press, but I actually give Conchie more credit for standing up and owning it.
It may cost him a 1st team spot, it may not, but he is still young and made a mistake. I hope he continues to learn from this and does succeed.
As for the Nix academy, I hope they learn from this as well and clean up their own act. Hopefully then Conchie standing up, won't go to waste!
I agree they have a problem. The only time my boy complains about other teams was either Ole or the Phoenix Academy kids.
I've said it before, and I deliberately didn't lead with the comments because I don't want to dunk on kids for the sake of a like on a forum, but there is a culture problem at the club.
The staff and players need to remember that they are in full view of the community, and when either players or staff graduate to the first team, the community will not want to support people they do not fundamentally like.
Couple of questions If a player says any of these words in training or in the changing room what happens? Are they corrected,? Can greenacre and Coleman model the required behavior?
Apparently this wasn’t the only offensive comment made by a Phoenix player towards an opposition player this weekend. Could be more to come on this front yet.
Otherwise whole heartedly agree with the others that there is certainly a culture issue at the club and it begins at the top with the coaches and managements being the worst offenders and very poor examples on the sidelines. This flows into the players who I find to be incredibly whiny and expect referees, officials and other teams to treat them like superior footballers.
Will be interesting what comes of this. I know Greenacre has read these forums before and apologised for his conduct but sadly it doesn’t seem to have changed a lot and certainly not within the players either.
Hopefully they can take on board that a lot of us watch on with interest what the Phoenix youth are doing, because at heart we’re all Phoenix fans who want to see the next big talent come through. Incidents like this serve to further divide the club from their fan base regardless of whether it’s the first team or not.
Some pretty sus Twitter activity from this account and another called Geofftheref throwing shade at Petone but not willing to actually say anything. Safe to say someone at the nix isn’t taking this well. Some real “listen here f@&k face” vibes to this.
Some pretty sus Twitter activity from this account and another called Geofftheref throwing shade at Petone but not willing to actually say anything. Safe to say someone at the nix isn’t taking this well. Some real “listen here f@&k face” vibes to this.
Well Petone had Williams who went his merry way for 3 decades and was condoned by the Petone Officials. The Nix Homophobic slur was nothing compared to Williams.
Reckon you'd be pretty safe to say that none of the current centrasl league teams have a 100% clear record. Everyone of them would have had a muppet or two in their squad who has thrown an offensive comment to anb opposition player. It's not just a nix culture thing (although it looks worse from a professional club) its a football culture thing.
Reckon you'd be pretty safe to say that none of the current centrasl league teams have a 100% clear record. Everyone of them would have had a muppet or two in their squad who has thrown an offensive comment to anb opposition player. It's not just a nix culture thing (although it looks worse from a professional club) its a football culture thing.
1 and a half idiots per squad is the target isn’t it?
Reckon you'd be pretty safe to say that none of the current centrasl league teams have a 100% clear record. Everyone of them would have had a muppet or two in their squad who has thrown an offensive comment to anb opposition player. It's not just a nix culture thing (although it looks worse from a professional club) its a football culture thing.
1 and a half idiots per squad is the target isn’t it?
1.5/23 = 6.5% of the squad being a dick - that looks proportional to the general population. 6.5% of 5m = 325,000 homophobic, racist dickheads in NZ.
I think the promising thing here is that while yes all teams had these types of players, it is (mostly) seen as wrong and inappropriate now than it used to be.
(I saw mostly as the small subset of social media replies show that not everyone thinks its wrong)
Am I alone in thinking that the Nix, as our only pro club, has to be better on issues like this than other teams? "He did it first / he did it worse" isn't an excuse we accept from 7 year olds, or at least I don't
Reckon you'd be pretty safe to say that none of the current centrasl league teams have a 100% clear record. Everyone of them would have had a muppet or two in their squad who has thrown an offensive comment to anb opposition player. It's not just a nix culture thing (although it looks worse from a professional club) its a football culture thing.
Probably more a societal thing. Unless you think these people don't exist in Rugby, League, Cricket circles etc.
Am I alone in thinking that the Nix, as our only pro club, has to be better on issues like this than other teams? "He did it first / he did it worse" isn't an excuse we accept from 7 year olds, or at least I don't
Absolutely the pros have to be better - they are in the limelight of the sport and should be leading the way - but having said that, mistakes, heated reactions will happen - even the big stars have moments of madness - it's how the club reacts/handles things that makes the difference. In this situation the club have done the exact right thing.
Am I alone in thinking that the Nix, as our only pro club, has to be better on issues like this than other teams? "He did it first / he did it worse" isn't an excuse we accept from 7 year olds, or at least I don't
If the Nix were serious about making an example of Fin Conchie they should exclude him from training as well as games for the period of the ban.
Letting him continue to attend 5/6 contacts doesn't really seem like a severe enough punishment to me.
Standing him down from games is more than enough punishment for a homophobic insult. Why would you want the club to hinder his development further? Maybe further sactioning would be necessary if he was a repeat offender or if he'd physically assaulted the player on top of the abuse, but the kid has simply lost control in the heat of the moment on a football pitch, not burned a pride flag at an alt-right protest.
As an aside, when I was playing I always found it amusing how one could say the most brutal and heinous things on a pitch, or even get physical to the point of purposely injurying others (~10 years ago I was part of a game ago where an opposition player told someone he was going to break his ankle and 5 minutes later did so with a very crafty stamping action during a tackle that wasn't picked up by the referee)...
But if you suddenly delve into the "forbidden topics" you'll get slapped with 10 weeks...
(This post isn't to justify the comments but to call out the shark show and scumminess that is frequent at this level of football)
Am I alone in thinking that the Nix, as our only pro club, has to be better on issues like this than other teams? "He did it first / he did it worse" isn't an excuse we accept from 7 year olds, or at least I don't
Are you aware who Williams was and what he did?
Using whataboutisms isn't really helpful here - try keep to the topic of the player and the situation at hand.
