Oh Ted... hiding behind semantics... still no answer to my point... because there isn't one. You'll notice that before your reply I had in fact fixed the typo in my post. I'm well aware of the timelines as I was in New Zealand following New Zealand football back then - You ?
As for My Ostrich friends. From what I know of the Auckland fanbase you have about 5 others supporting your views that the Phoenix is death to New Zealand football. Tell you what, you stay with them and I'll stay with the 9,500 that turned up on a Wednesday night here for a Pre-Season game, or perhaps the 6,500 that turned up in Christchurch to watch them play a Mainland side.
Or perhaps I'll stay with the 6,500 who turn up every week here despite weather and form, or perhaps the 18,500 that turned up for a regular season game last season. Oh, look at that turns out I have 10's of thousands of friends and you have six. What a surprise...
Hard News2008-10-10 21:50:27
and today the DomPost runs the headline
Team Wellington are one of several franchises struggling to secure their financial future and there is a real chance, if they cannot raise the additional funds needed in the coming days, that they won't make the start-line when the season kicks off early next month.
Thats what happens when the board does f**k all for 6 months of the year.
Er no thats what happens when you have an aussie team in your town!!
the 'Ghost from the North' is back, oooooo! ooooo!
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You do have to love 'Ted' telling people who are 'close' to those involved in Team Wellington why it's failing... NFI.
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silly stuff all of it.
i have to wonder what the point of team wgtn is. is it a feeder, is it a provincial rep side, a cheap alternative to the Nix?
those first few seasons were magic- sitting in the sun on the south bank, beer in hand- now i can go and watch the nix play a more proffesional game it doesn't appeal as much.
enlighten me-what is the point? or is just about more football (not a bad thing in itself.)
speaking of more football-Futsal world cup is highlighted on sports tonight in 3o mins!
sweet skills
Salmon072008-10-10 22:26:28
i have to wonder what the point of team wgtn is. is it a feeder, is it a provincial rep side, a cheap alternative to the Nix?
those first few seasons were magic- sitting in the sun on the south bank, beer in hand- now i can go and watch the nix play a more proffesional game it doesn't appeal as much.
enlighten me-what is the point? or is just about more football (not a bad thing in itself.)
speaking of more football-Futsal world cup is highlighted on sports tonight in 3o mins!
sweet skills
Salmon072008-10-10 22:26:28
Salmon swim upstream
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put your head back in the sand with the rest of your ostrich phoenix friends
what is an ostrich phoenix? Is that some kind of cross breed we should know about?
All I do is make the stuff I would've liked
Reference things I wanna watch, reference girls I wanna bite
Now I'm firefly like a burning kite
And yousa fake fuck like a fleshlight
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Oh, look at that turns out I have 10's of thousands of friends and you have six. What a surprise...
One media interview and he has gone all Berty Big Bollocks.
All I do is make the stuff I would've liked
Reference things I wanna watch, reference girls I wanna bite
Now I'm firefly like a burning kite
And yousa fake fuck like a fleshlight
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what is an ostrich phoenix? Is that some kind of cross breed we should know about?
Imagine how big the fire would be if an Ostrich sized Phoenix burst in to flames !! Still, a self-cooking Ostrich would be delicious.
Hard News2008-10-10 22:41:32
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Youd need many birds....golly what a lot of friends...
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Didn't crowd numbers at the Team Wellington games go up last year because of the Wellington Phoenix? So it can't be the gate takings so did someone pull out in the sponsorship?
In the season before the Wellington Phoenix existed. The reality was only Auckland was very financially healthy, Team Wellington was breaking even and six other franchises was in the red. Now both Auckland franchises are in the black and everyone else is still staring at the red. I think that if Waitakere United didn't win the O-league then they would be in the same boat as the others.
Winning the O-league has to be the difference.
Which is not a surprise that they are looking at changing the distribution of the prize money again.
In the season before the Wellington Phoenix existed. The reality was only Auckland was very financially healthy, Team Wellington was breaking even and six other franchises was in the red. Now both Auckland franchises are in the black and everyone else is still staring at the red. I think that if Waitakere United didn't win the O-league then they would be in the same boat as the others.
Winning the O-league has to be the difference.
Which is not a surprise that they are looking at changing the distribution of the prize money again.
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So I see the Herald is calling Waikato as going belly up?
Care to explain how that is the Phoenix's fault HappyTed ?
Care to explain how that is the Phoenix's fault HappyTed ?
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Er no thats what happens when you have an aussie team in your town!!
You forgot the smiley face. Obviously. As not even area 51 Kennedy assassination conspiracy theorists can connect the TW off-season problems with the Phoenix, can they? How can there be any possible link?
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What I find is fascinating is that when the old National League was scrapped one of the reasons we were told was that it was too dependent on money from the gaming trusts. Now the NZFC is in trouble and one of the reasons appears to be the lack of funds from the gaming trusts ???
It seems to me that clubs should be preparing themselves for a return to a club based league in 12 months. Central , waitakere and Napier are probably well placed being de facto NZFC teams, as are Canterbury. Expect a nasty fight over the remaining places.
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Yes, because there is so much overwhelming evidence that is the case... how does it explain Waikato's financial troubles ? or Manawatu's ? or Otago's ?
I also don't remember City or Waitakere struggling due to the Kingz or the Knights...
Quite simply wrong.
I also don't remember City or Waitakere struggling due to the Kingz or the Knights...
Quite simply wrong.
Just a coincidence eh?
And would be a bit difficult for the kingz to of affected Auckland City or Waitakere as they
had long since died before NZFC started
but hey dont let facts get in the way of the truth
put your head back in the sand with the rest of your ostrich phoenix friends
TWs financial problems pre-date the Nix.
Founder
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If the NZFC did go belly-up, what would happen realistically? Revert back to National League or scrap a national competition altogether?
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You do have to love 'Ted' telling people who are 'close' to those involved in Team Wellington why it's failing... NFI.
And you clearly have no idea what the cellar dwelling Phoenix are doing to the game in NZ
even when its in your own back garden Moron!!!
Do you know what nemesis means
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Oh Ted... hiding behind semantics... still no answer to my point... because there isn't one. You'll notice that before your reply I had in fact fixed the typo in my post. I'm well aware of the timelines as I was in New Zealand following New Zealand football back then - You ?
As for My Ostrich friends. From what I know of the Auckland fanbase you have about 5 others supporting your views that the Phoenix is death to New Zealand football. Tell you what, you stay with them and I'll stay with the 9,500 that turned up on a Wednesday night here for a Pre-Season game, or perhaps the 6,500 that turned up in Christchurch to watch them play a Mainland side.
Or perhaps I'll stay with the 6,500 who turn up every week here despite weather and form, or perhaps the 18,500 that turned up for a regular season game last season. Oh, look at that turns out I have 10's of thousands of friends and you have six. What a surprise...
As for My Ostrich friends. From what I know of the Auckland fanbase you have about 5 others supporting your views that the Phoenix is death to New Zealand football. Tell you what, you stay with them and I'll stay with the 9,500 that turned up on a Wednesday night here for a Pre-Season game, or perhaps the 6,500 that turned up in Christchurch to watch them play a Mainland side.
Or perhaps I'll stay with the 6,500 who turn up every week here despite weather and form, or perhaps the 18,500 that turned up for a regular season game last season. Oh, look at that turns out I have 10's of thousands of friends and you have six. What a surprise...
Your crowds are falling every week mate!!!
9500 for a pre season game and then 5 games later when you were bottom of the league
again down by 3000 people are voting with there feet
and the 18500 you quote are a distant memory now you cant even get a third of that
now and i'm sureyou were following NZ footy before i was even in NZ and plenty of
Aussie footy as well no doubt but at least when we have no more national league
you and the rest of the Phoenix "fans" wont give a sh*t
happyted2008-10-12 10:18:21
Do you know what nemesis means
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Why do they have to be dependent on trusts? Cant they be owned by indivuduals - there must be some football fans in the country who are looking to own an nzfc franchise? Why dont they put the franchises up for sale and see what happens there? is this realisitc?
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Your crowds are falling every week mate!!!
9500 for a pre season game and then 5 games later when you were bottom of the league
again down by 3000 people are voting with there feet
and the 18500 you quote are a distant memory now you cant even get a third of that
now and i'm sureyou were following NZ footy before i was even in NZ and plenty of
Aussie footy as well no doubt but at least when we have no more national league
you and the rest of the Phoenix "fans" wont give a sh*t
Sure, none of us Phoenix supporters get out and support Youngheart, or support Team Wellington. Yawn.
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Not just the NZFC problems but NZ footie as a whole. Here's an article from Feb on the NZ situation, and little has changed apart from personnel. SOS, "every man for him self (or U-17 FIFA women)"
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Just like the days of old,I see NZ football still has the same inward looking narrow minded people supporting it.Just one of the reason why it will never become any sort of force in NZ sport.
Dont think i have ever seen a more badly named forum contributor than Happyted,shouldnt it be
Grumpyoldbastard.Its his sort of attitude that has driven more people away from football than ever attracted them to it.What do expect tho typical bloody auckland attitude.
Dont think i have ever seen a more badly named forum contributor than Happyted,shouldnt it be
Grumpyoldbastard.Its his sort of attitude that has driven more people away from football than ever attracted them to it.What do expect tho typical bloody auckland attitude.
GET YOUR SHIRTS OFF FOR THE BOYS
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Thinking out loud. How many of you would be prepared to put in your own money to keep, say, Team Wellington afloat?
300 fans @ $1000 = $300K.
dairyflat2008-10-12 12:08:48
300 fans @ $1000 = $300K.
dairyflat2008-10-12 12:08:48
Profile pic. Should you be interested. Lakhsen, on the right, lost touch with him.
Mohammed, on the left, I'm still in touch with. He's now living in Agadez, Niger. More focused on his animals now as tourism has dried up. Is active with a co-op promoting local goods, leather work and bijouterie, into Europe.
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Mohammed, on the left, I'm still in touch with. He's now living in Agadez, Niger. More focused on his animals now as tourism has dried up. Is active with a co-op promoting local goods, leather work and bijouterie, into Europe.
20/5/20
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Good thought - i mean ill bet that any team would love any donation, however what would those who donated money get out of it? You cant just expect people to donate money and not reap any rewards
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I can only speak for me. A winning team wouldl be enough.
Why not? DONATED money has kept scores of clubs in EnZed running for years. Simply given on the hope that their team does well.
dairyflat2008-10-12 12:35:57
You cant just expect people to donate money and not reap any rewards
Why not? DONATED money has kept scores of clubs in EnZed running for years. Simply given on the hope that their team does well.
dairyflat2008-10-12 12:35:57
Profile pic. Should you be interested. Lakhsen, on the right, lost touch with him.
Mohammed, on the left, I'm still in touch with. He's now living in Agadez, Niger. More focused on his animals now as tourism has dried up. Is active with a co-op promoting local goods, leather work and bijouterie, into Europe.
20/5/20
Mohammed, on the left, I'm still in touch with. He's now living in Agadez, Niger. More focused on his animals now as tourism has dried up. Is active with a co-op promoting local goods, leather work and bijouterie, into Europe.
20/5/20
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You do have to love 'Ted' telling people who are 'close' to those involved in Team Wellington why it's failing... NFI.
And you clearly have no idea what the cellar dwelling Phoenix are doing to the game in NZ
even when its in your own back garden Moron!!!
Quite possible the most immature response I've heard in a while, happyted. You will understand, I trust, why the thousands of us won't take you seriously?
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Your crowds are falling every week mate!!!
9500 for a pre season game and then 5 games later when you were bottom of the league
again down by 3000 people are voting with there feet
and the 18500 you quote are a distant memory now you cant even get a third of that
now and i'm sureyou were following NZ footy before i was even in NZ and plenty of
Aussie footy as well no doubt but at least when we have no more national league
you and the rest of the Phoenix "fans" wont give a sh*t
Sure, none of us Phoenix supporters get out and support Youngheart, or support Team Wellington. Yawn.
Or Phoenix fans who, for example, drive from Pukekohe to watch ACFC or Waitak games against the likes of Otago and Canterbury, even tho' we have no allegiance to any of the teams involved.
Remind me again of the huge benefits to the local game of having an NZFC team whose squad includes, amongst others: Scots, Korean, American, Spanish, South African and, allegedly soon, Brazilian players? The problems the National League has have been around far longer than the Phoenix have. Who was your scapegoat beforethe Nix arrived?
Get over yourself Ted. The novelty of your holier than thou "Champion of NZ Football" martyr act is beginning to wear off.
Jag2008-10-12 16:20:51Apparently I'm apathetic, but I couldn't care less.
"Being a Partick Thistle fan sets you apart. It means youre a free thinker. It also means your team has no money." Tim Luckhurst, The Independent, 4th December 2003
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Thinking out loud. How many of you would be prepared to put in your own money to keep, say, Team Wellington afloat?
300 fans @ $1000 = $300K.
300 fans @ $1000 = $300K.
$1000 is a lot,and 300 fans willing to give that much is also a lot
Especially when the other franchises are in trouble also,so our efforts will most likely prove to be for nothing
Allegedly
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To be honest they probably arent short by 300,000 - im just speculating but it must only be by 50,000-100,000 so it wouldnt need that much donation if people were interested - maybe 300 people at 300 bucks each or so.... that would be more reasonable - although would they need this every year?
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Even then,the competition might go under
Allegedly
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at least when we have no more national league you and the rest of the Phoenix "fans" wont give a sh*t
What are you babbling on about? Several of us Phoenix fans have been TW season ticket holders before the Phoenix existed and remained TW season ticket holders after the Nix arrived. I would be gutted if TW went under or if there was no more NZFC.
The question you seem to be avoiding is how on earth any of the NZFC problems can be linked to the Phoenix. Well?
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Don't bother Sinz, Jag, my race horse has smaller blinklers than Ted.
He comes on here with the whole 'I know so much about NZ football spiel' with no idea who he's talking to... telling people who run member clubs of Team Wellington what is wrong with Team Wellington is so laughable it hurts.
Hard News2008-10-12 19:51:02
He comes on here with the whole 'I know so much about NZ football spiel' with no idea who he's talking to... telling people who run member clubs of Team Wellington what is wrong with Team Wellington is so laughable it hurts.
Hard News2008-10-12 19:51:02
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Glad you mentioned the member clubs, just how many paid up last season? One of the problems leading to TW finances I hear.
A dog with a bone :)
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Good thought - i mean ill bet that any team would love any donation, however what would those who donated money get out of it? You cant just expect people to donate money and not reap any rewards
actually you can....
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Every chugger on a street corner does.
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Thank you .....my knowledge grows by each and every post!
PS ACFC were very ordinary sat ... Hows Mr Holloways boy? Looked nasty....
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Ask on the ACFC pre-season thread, Bruce has been posting in there.
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Steven has had a slight hammy tear - but nothing major... will be right for the first game (whether for Waikato or whoever he may end up lining up for now)
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Doesn't look like it will be Waikato now!
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Do the players get some form of payment for playing and if so is this one of the problems i.e. are they paid to much for the level of football they play at?
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