Seen him play a Chatham Cup final (from memory).
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Doesn't he/Didn't he play for Melville?
Apparently I'm apathetic, but I couldn't care less.
"Being a Partick Thistle fan sets you apart. It means youre a free thinker. It also means your team has no money." Tim Luckhurst, The Independent, 4th December 2003
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Played for Melville at CB along side Che Bunce this year for Melville.
Possibly as a coach but certainly not as a player.
Possibly as a coach but certainly not as a player.
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It would be a great opportunity for a young coach to come in and make himself a name in quick time. the appointment of Kevin Fallon (although I thought it was a good one) did at least prove that there seemed to be a need for young coaching blood in the Waikato.
And, if it is based at Ngaruawahia, wouldn't Gordon Glen-Watson be keen? Or has he moved on?
Nix, Leyton Orient and Alloa Athletic supporting schmuck.
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As they'll be there anyway, maybe they'll sneak Edmondson in under the wire! That would liven things up a bit.
Jag2008-10-15 11:04:39Apparently I'm apathetic, but I couldn't care less.
"Being a Partick Thistle fan sets you apart. It means youre a free thinker. It also means your team has no money." Tim Luckhurst, The Independent, 4th December 2003
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Wayne Bates was Melville captain for the winter season. Melville coach Steve williams also named him as melville's player of the year.
He has never played at national League level. He is not a technical player, and there are question marks about his pace, but he is a fine leader, with a big heart. And reputedly New Zealand's top caravan salesman.
iMy spies tell me, co-incidentally, he is also thowing some money in the waikato pot. Are we entering the era of the player-sponsor?
if wayne does play, he will bring a whole new tribal roll-your-sleeves-up feel to the place. He is a great club man, and may just pull in some others. Be good if he pulled in melville team mate matt williams. (derek, if Che Bunce is our Rolling Stone, could Bates be our Beatle?)
I imagine an announcement on what is happening on the coaching front will be made soon, but the words "deja vu" spring to mind.
if Waikato are loooking for a new nickname, perhaps: "The Volunteers". There have been suggestions a couple of Aucklanders may still travel. We'll see.
Waikato will definitely be weaker without the Aucklanders. But in some other respects, they may end up being a bit stronger for the experience.
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Wayne Bates was Melville captain for the winter season. Melville coach Steve williams also named him as melville's player of the year.
He has never played at national League level. He is not a technical player, and there are question marks about his pace, but he is a fine leader, with a big heart. And reputedly New Zealand's top caravan salesman.
iMy spies tell me, co-incidentally, he is also thowing some money in the waikato pot. Are we entering the era of the player-sponsor?
if wayne does play, he will bring a whole new tribal roll-your-sleeves-up feel to the place. He is a great club man, and may just pull in some others. Be good if he pulled in melville team mate matt williams. (derek, if Che Bunce is our Rolling Stone, could Bates be our Beatle?)
I imagine an announcement on what is happening on the coaching front will be made soon, but the words "deja vu" spring to mind.
if Waikato are loooking for a new nickname, perhaps: "The Volunteers". There have been suggestions a couple of Aucklanders may still travel. We'll see.
Waikato will definitely be weaker without the Aucklanders. But in some other respects, they may end up being a bit stronger for the experience.
That'll solve any problems with changing facilities then 
Apparently I'm apathetic, but I couldn't care less.
"Being a Partick Thistle fan sets you apart. It means youre a free thinker. It also means your team has no money." Tim Luckhurst, The Independent, 4th December 2003
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...and an NZ Futsal representative... and the owner of a Retro Ricki... sounds the perfect leader to me.
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Might also be a good opportunity for Yellow Fever Scholarship winner Dan Finlay to push for a first team spot, especially if Youth Team is being axed. Still going to school in Auckland, but Waikato thru and thru.
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With WFC being based in Ngarua it's really not a big trip for Aucklanders, especially those in Manukau. I would think a few ambitious young players would jump at the chance.
And yes Bruce, a Beatle towing a caravan, that'll work.
Nix, Leyton Orient and Alloa Athletic supporting schmuck.
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As they'll be there anyway, maybe they'll sneak Edmondson in under the wire! That would liven things up a bit.
wouldnt be a bad thing Dave had a very good year with the teams that he took
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The pubs in Napier would be stoked.
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Might also be a good opportunity for Yellow Fever Scholarship winner Dan Finlay to push for a first team spot, especially if Youth Team is being axed. Still going to school in Auckland, but Waikato thru and thru.
Also there are Recce Edmonds and Sam Margetts from last years youth squad that would cut it aswell
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FYI - Article from 2004
The jury is finally out on Wellington's two national league bids � and will be out for some time, if you believe New Zealand Soccer boss Bill MacGowan.
MacGowan predictably played the diplomat yesterday after Team Wellington and Dave Wilson's Porirua Park-based Ole Madrids made their final submissions to NZ Soccer's four-man selection panel.
Speaking after the Team Wellington consortium of 18 clubs presented their proposal at the Michael Fowler Centre, MacGowan insisted the rival Wellington franchises would be hard to separate.
Wellington is to be granted one of the eight berths in the sport's revamped domestic showpiece, which will replace the mothballed club-based national league from October.
The selection panel � MacGowan, former All Whites captain Steve Sumner, Auckland lawyer Erich Buchmann and KPMG director Tim Jones � have set aside two days to whittle the 11 applicants down to the eight successful franchises set to be announced on April 5.
MacGowan has no doubts the Wellington situation will easily create the most deliberation.
"From the start we said the Wellington area was going to be the most difficult and nothing's changed . . . it's going to be a huge decision," he said.
MacGowan described as a "giant step forward" the ability of bid chairman Mike Wood (Tawa), Miramar Rangers' Bruce Cullen and Waterside Karori's Malcolm Johnson to facilitate the Team Wellington bid, a coalition of the previously unwilling.
But he side-stepped the "I'd like to see one strong, combined bid" comment he made to The Dominion Post in December and used in the Team Wellington presentation yesterday.
"That's not all I said. What I said was we were looking for the best bid . . . if an individual or entrepreneurial bid stacked up, then fine. We are looking for the bid that's strongest financially, management wise and that has the ability to attract players."
MacGowan was clearly impressed when he received conformation that Black Sox softball coach Don Tricker had joined the Madrids' board, saying the Porirua bid had some quality people.
"It was a very quiet car ride back from Porirua (to the Team Wellington presentation) because the panel was deep in thought . . . and we've talked about that," MacGowan said.
Wood believed the Team Wellington bid was "everything" NZ Soccer wanted � an inclusive bid that was strong financially. It also had had assurances from Wellington City Council that Newtown Park would be upgraded significantly in the next two years.
A New Zealand Community Trust pledge of $480,000 over three years formed the bulk of Team Wellington's funding with the 18 clubs agreeing to provide a further $60,000 between them annually. The franchise would also seek a secondary sponsor to the tune of $25,000 annually.
Wood said the 18 clubs had put aside their deep-rooted rivalries and would attempt to become the "summer club" to a potential fan base they estimated at 40,000 people.
"You have to be confident because we've done everything they wanted us to do but you never know what might tickle someone's fancy � even if it has no relevance," Wood said.
Wood said Wilson, a major backer of Porirua's Western Suburbs club, would be invited to join the coalition if Team Wellington were successful.
MacGowan predictably played the diplomat yesterday after Team Wellington and Dave Wilson's Porirua Park-based Ole Madrids made their final submissions to NZ Soccer's four-man selection panel.
Speaking after the Team Wellington consortium of 18 clubs presented their proposal at the Michael Fowler Centre, MacGowan insisted the rival Wellington franchises would be hard to separate.
Wellington is to be granted one of the eight berths in the sport's revamped domestic showpiece, which will replace the mothballed club-based national league from October.
The selection panel � MacGowan, former All Whites captain Steve Sumner, Auckland lawyer Erich Buchmann and KPMG director Tim Jones � have set aside two days to whittle the 11 applicants down to the eight successful franchises set to be announced on April 5.
MacGowan has no doubts the Wellington situation will easily create the most deliberation.
"From the start we said the Wellington area was going to be the most difficult and nothing's changed . . . it's going to be a huge decision," he said.
MacGowan described as a "giant step forward" the ability of bid chairman Mike Wood (Tawa), Miramar Rangers' Bruce Cullen and Waterside Karori's Malcolm Johnson to facilitate the Team Wellington bid, a coalition of the previously unwilling.
But he side-stepped the "I'd like to see one strong, combined bid" comment he made to The Dominion Post in December and used in the Team Wellington presentation yesterday.
"That's not all I said. What I said was we were looking for the best bid . . . if an individual or entrepreneurial bid stacked up, then fine. We are looking for the bid that's strongest financially, management wise and that has the ability to attract players."
MacGowan was clearly impressed when he received conformation that Black Sox softball coach Don Tricker had joined the Madrids' board, saying the Porirua bid had some quality people.
"It was a very quiet car ride back from Porirua (to the Team Wellington presentation) because the panel was deep in thought . . . and we've talked about that," MacGowan said.
Wood believed the Team Wellington bid was "everything" NZ Soccer wanted � an inclusive bid that was strong financially. It also had had assurances from Wellington City Council that Newtown Park would be upgraded significantly in the next two years.
A New Zealand Community Trust pledge of $480,000 over three years formed the bulk of Team Wellington's funding with the 18 clubs agreeing to provide a further $60,000 between them annually. The franchise would also seek a secondary sponsor to the tune of $25,000 annually.
Wood said the 18 clubs had put aside their deep-rooted rivalries and would attempt to become the "summer club" to a potential fan base they estimated at 40,000 people.
"You have to be confident because we've done everything they wanted us to do but you never know what might tickle someone's fancy � even if it has no relevance," Wood said.
Wood said Wilson, a major backer of Porirua's Western Suburbs club, would be invited to join the coalition if Team Wellington were successful.
4 years on it makes interesting reading. Where are the clubs now when TW needs them? Looks like the Ole Madrids concept was the better model all along. Will Dave Wilson have the last laugh?
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Be good if he pulled in melville team mate matt williams.
Signed for Auckland City....
Also heard the two Fijians are no longer 'signed' at ACFC
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Thanks for posting that retro article, Finisher.
Having read it, it's little wonder the Team Wellington bid is reportedly struggling financially.
"A New Zealand Community Trust pledge of $480,000 over three years formed the bulk of Team Wellington's funding with the 18 clubs agreeing to provide a further $60,000 between them annually. The franchise would also seek a secondary sponsor to the tune of $25,000 annually".
As we're now into year four, the NZCT pledge is no longer available, so that's goodbye $160k for starters. Based on the rest of that paragraph, TW's funding for the 2008-9 season amounts to just $85k - $25k from a sponsor and $60k total from 18 clubs.
I'm presuming that, over the course of the past three years, someone has been charged with working on ways of replacing the NZCT funding?
There are so many parallels to this situation with that which faced NZ Soccer with the old club-based National League. I'm basically operating off my recollection of events over the next couple of paragraphs, so those perhaps more familiar with the subject may wish to add any salient points I'm quite likely to have overlooked in what follows.
When the passing of legislation brought to an end tobacco sponsorship of sport in NZ, a source of "parachute funds" for the competition's continuation over the next three years materialised in the form of a replacement sponsorship from Smokefree - it was effectively government funding to help those codes which previously benefited from Winfield's funds find alternative sources of income.
At the end of that three-year period, NZS (as they were then) still hadn't been able to secure a sponsor for their competition, and it wasn't long afterwards that the National League as we once knew it came to an end.
Back to today, and we still have a National League reliant on funds from shall we say less widely known sources, i.e. no instantly recognisable name such as ASB or Air NZ, in other words.
I know from what folk at NZF have told me that when they approach potential sponsors, there is a general keenness to be involved in aspects of NZF's operations such as the Small Whites programme. But securing branding sponsors for the elite competitions, e.g. NZFC, Chatham Cup, remains elusive.
If the same thing is being experienced by franchises now as it was by NZS some 10-15 years ago ... there's one common denominator: the product, the National League / NZFC itself.
Which begs the question, why is there a real reluctance from potential sponsors to be associated with NZ Football's elite competitions? Has anyone asked that question of a range of sponsors we would like to see associated with football in this country?
I'm sure there would be benefits for the game here, both short-term and long, were this to be followed through.
Cheers,
JR
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Has Anything Been Confirmed About This Years League If So what form will this years comp be
Nick B2008-10-16 20:21:28
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So where are we at?
There may or may not be an NZFC of 14 or 21 Rounds with or without Team Wellington and Waikato (and possibly or not others?).
From what I've read Waikato, Otago, Manawatu and almost certainly TW and Canterbury won't be competitive.
That leaves ACFC, Waitakere and HBU who appear to have some semblance of their act together.
In the interests of saving money and having a quality comp my suggestion is: a Labour Weekend tournament among those 3 and lets get it over with!
We Still Love You Colin We Do!
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Then we can all get back to supporting Asian football.
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Yeah, maybe I'll make it to a few more Phoenix games than I thought.
We Still Love You Colin We Do!
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So where are we at?
There may or may not be an NZFC of 14 or 21 Rounds with or without Team Wellington and Waikato (and possibly or not others?).
From what I've read Waikato, Otago, Manawatu and almost certainly TW and Canterbury won't be competitive.
That leaves ACFC, Waitakere and HBU who appear to have some semblance of their act together.
In the interests of saving money and having a quality comp my suggestion is: a Labour Weekend tournament among those 3 and lets get it over with!
...but lets hear you say all that through your megaphnone..I actually believe Waikato in this latest 'patriotic' form as suggested here, could make them an extremely dangerous proposition as oppossed to a bunch of prima donna types who though may appear to put in an effort, fail togive the 100+ % that coaches ,management and fans expect. Give me a team that WANT to play and not a team that HAVE to.BAY ARMY RULE OK
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Nicely put Accy Stan.
It surely is too early to write off anyone, even in jest. Yes, things are already looking like a WUFC/ACFC/HBU top three, but as I see it ACFC have a lot to get right first. Given their player depth they were disappointing last season, and Colin Tua'a has a lot of people to convince. And I think the troubles at certain teams might just have a galvanising effect, along the lines that you suggest.
Nix, Leyton Orient and Alloa Athletic supporting schmuck.
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So whats the decision on the NZFC? anyone out there been told as yet?
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everything i have heard out of the TW camp from a friend of mine is positive. he believes they are perhaps only 1 or 2 signings away from being a very quality side. he said a centre back may be required but the attacking players they have a very strong.
i would not be writing this side of what so ever
i would not be writing this side of what so ever
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everything i have heard out of the TW camp from a friend of mine is positive. he believes they are perhaps only 1 or 2 signings away from being a very quality side. he said a centre back may be required but the attacking players they have a very strong.
i would not be writing this side of what so ever
i would not be writing this side of what so ever
Interesting, given their place in the league this season seems to be in major doubt Apparently I'm apathetic, but I couldn't care less.
"Being a Partick Thistle fan sets you apart. It means youre a free thinker. It also means your team has no money." Tim Luckhurst, The Independent, 4th December 2003
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i thought so too. but he was under the understanding that if the sponsor they currently have falls through than they have others who are willing and available to step in to help out.
whether or not the players know completely what is going on or not i am unsure
whether or not the players know completely what is going on or not i am unsure
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Check the front page, three articles including a release from NZF.
Revamped NZFC offers �silver lining� to club crisis
October 17 2008
AUCKLAND � All eight existing franchises will suit up for a revamped 2008-09 New Zealand Football Championship that features a reduced regular season and an extended playoff series.
While the league will shorten from three full rounds to two, the playoffs � previously involving the top three teams � have been expanded to a top four home-and-away semi-final system followed by a one-off Grand Final.
New Zealand Football CEO Michael Glading says the goodwill of franchises and new format for this season ensured the league � about to enter its fifth season � could navigate the sudden downturn in funding without having to drop teams from the competition.
�The current economic environment along with a reduction in trust funding has hit some franchises more than others, but all of them have worked together with NZF to find the best possible solution for this season,� Glading said.
�We are however extremely grateful that the Southern Trust has continued to show their support for the league by re-signing as the league�s principal supporter.�
After a series of conference calls and meetings over the past fortnight between franchise heads and NZF officials, franchises were given until midnight on Wednesday to confirm their participation and submit feedback on tabled options.
The NZF board then met on Thursday afternoon and ratified a new format which Glading says offered plenty of positives for football fans.
�Two rounds produce a more focussed competition and the extended playoff has additional benefits.�
�Not only does it dangle the carrot of silverware and O-League qualification in front of more teams, the home-and-away format complete with away goals rule adds an extra dimension and marketability to the business end of the season.�
While a revised draw is still being worked through, it was likely the league would still begin on November 8 and finish with an April 4 Grand Final.
New Zealand�s two spots in next season�s O-League would still be awarded in the same way as previous years, the winner of the round-robin would claim one while the second would be awarded to the grand final winner. If the same team wins both the league and grand final the second O-League place would be awarded to the league runner-up.
New Zealand Football indicated that the changes were only for the 2008-09 season and that all parties had committed to a full review of the league structure, beginning in January.
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I quite like those changes, seems to make more sense having the league that way.
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There must be a decent break in the schedule somewhere. 14 round robin games, 4 semi finals and the grand final is 19 weeks - working that forward from the 8th of November implies the grand final would be on 14th March, not 4th April.
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I quite like those changes, seems to make more sense having the league that way.
Yeah, me too. If they've got to have play-offs then this is the way to do it. The way it's done with top three is confusing to many. Top four is a whole lot better. Two rounds is fairer too, with regard to home advantage etc.
Maybe if this works out they can look at adding another couple of teams, including at least one other Auckland one.
I know, I'm running before I can walk again...
Nix, Leyton Orient and Alloa Athletic supporting schmuck.
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Well it still is possibly a good idea, a thrid team from Auckland to try and cover another locality demographic, and maybe another team from the greater Wellington area or Marlborough.
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There must be a decent break in the schedule somewhere. 14 round robin games, 4 semi finals and the grand final is 19 weeks - working that forward from the 8th of November implies the grand final would be on 14th March, not 4th April.
I guess they're taking into account that most of the cities/ towns that these teams are from will be near deserted around xmas/ new years and giving the teams a break too?
That would make sense but we shall see with the revised schedule.
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I quite like those changes, seems to make more sense having the league that way.
Yeah, me too. If they've got to have play-offs then this is the way to do it. The way it's done with top three is confusing to many. Top four is a whole lot better. Two rounds is fairer too, with regard to home advantage etc.
Maybe if this works out they can look at adding another couple of teams, including at least one other Auckland one.
I know, I'm running before I can walk again...
You've got to be joking - the player depth just isn't there.
We Still Love You Colin We Do!
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I never actually had a megaphone. Gee you've become rather conversational on the forum all of a sudden Acc Stan. What's brought that on? Surely not the possibility that this might be the Bay's year?
zizoustainrod2008-10-17 14:32:01
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I quite like those changes, seems to make more sense having the league that way.
Yeah, me too. If they've got to have play-offs then this is the way to do it. The way it's done with top three is confusing to many. Top four is a whole lot better. Two rounds is fairer too, with regard to home advantage etc.
Maybe if this works out they can look at adding another couple of teams, including at least one other Auckland one.
I know, I'm running before I can walk again...
You've got to be joking - the player depth just isn't there.
Of course it is. In Auckland at least.
Nix, Leyton Orient and Alloa Athletic supporting schmuck.
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On the basis of the recent NRFL All Stars performances, I think that the player depth is there for a 3rd Auckland club. A new Auckland team would arguably be even stronger than the All Stars were because, if it were to happen, the NRFL 1st Division players who were in the All Stars squad would undoubtedly be replaced by Premier Division players.
Apparently I'm apathetic, but I couldn't care less.
"Being a Partick Thistle fan sets you apart. It means youre a free thinker. It also means your team has no money." Tim Luckhurst, The Independent, 4th December 2003
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Sorry lads, didn't put that very well. I was meaning over the league as a whole not just north of the Bombays.
We Still Love You Colin We Do!
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Nicely put Accy Stan.
It surely is too early to write off anyone, even in jest. Yes, things are already looking like a WUFC/ACFC/HBU top three, but as I see it ACFC have a lot to get right first. Given their player depth they were disappointing last season, and Colin Tua'a has a lot of people to convince. And I think the troubles at certain teams might just have a galvanising effect, along the lines that you suggest.
It's never too early to write off anyone in jest!!!!
Besides I still believe that YHM will cobble together a side that will take everyone to the cleaners (yes even the Bay!). Mind you I believe that every season - You'd think I would have learnt by now.
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I never actually had a megaphone. Gee you've become rather conversational on the forum all of a sudden Acc Stan. What's brought that on? Surely not the possibility that this might be the Bay's year?
I've been busy coaching various kids teams...now I change to my other persona BAY ARMY MAN...
Don't know about this 8 November start as the GM of Hawkes Bay just told me the home match vs Waikato originally set for 9th November is now 16th. Didn't have time to get him to elaborate.
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