Southern Football (incl Southern United) (Part 2)

In your world a team like Bristol City must be gob shark as well lose 4 nil after winning 6 nil the week before.

Mossg [who are the again] get one good result and bag 3 points they become the best team in the South.

Still be a two team city Cavy and Tech the rest falling at breaches brook.

Easy tiger, it's a long season. You all remember what happened last year after a similar start from Mosgiel. Ended up being a 2 horse race as per. Like I say, cream rises to the top.

I can't see Caversham putting 18 past them in two games like last year

You don't fool anybody here NorthernFC Tiki-taka tippy-tappy, more commonly known as the Russian idiot Nikita-Nicki Meglinski

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[/quote] how is he an idiot? For pointing out bad displays of football? Or lack of football

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Perhaps by forgetting Football's code of conduct:

1. Play to Win

   Winning is the object of playing any game. Never set out to lose. If you do not play to win, you are cheating your opponents, deceiving those who are watching, and also fooling yourself. Never give up against stronger opponents but never relent against weaker ones. It is an insult to any opponent to play at less than full strength. Play to win, until the final whistle.

   You play to win. It's the first thing in Football, everything else comes after that.  Football isn't about playing pretty, it's about winning and there are very many strategies to do that.  If you can win and play pretty well good job.  But if you prefer to play pretty and are happy to lose, change the way you play because by putting prettiness before winning you are cheating yourself and your opposition.  And if you like to play pretty but can't deal with long-ball football then you just aren't good enough.  This is the crux of it in Dunedin I think.  Teams aren't good enough to beat certain other teams and so they take up the high-brow argument, "They only win cos they play long, but we play 'better' Football".  That's just a load of old cobblers.  The best Football approach is the one that wins.  And I'm not talking about kids playing u-5s so don't go there - I'm talking about competitive Football.

lot to be said for playing off other teams mistakes, second phase football. Hump it long and pressurise, pure football

What are you even on about? No shark everyone plays to win.. 

Yes I would agree if you can't deal with the long ball you aren't good enough but at the end of the day I am certain that just having the ball at the back under no pressure what so ever and just kicking it long is just shark, don't see any decent teams outside of Dunedin doing this do you? Ever wonder why southern united playing route one got them a solid last place? How can you people even think people that just hoof it long are good players. Mosgiel play simple ball to feet and they play much better football than that, think the 4-0 win shows that, hopefully from now on teams defend better against it and show that real football wins games

Couple of things.  1) A long ball from the back when under no pressure can be extremely effective. Teams all over the world do it under no pressure plenty. Watch a certain team called Leicester City and their two CBs especially. 2)  One of the first rules of coaching regarding passing: the most effective pass in a game is (a) ......, and (b)........ Just treat it like a test and let's see if you come up with the right answers (by the way, do you coach?). 2) You have brought Southern Utd into the discussion when GI party etc were discussing Dunedin club football.  Last season there wasn't a single local midfielder in the Southern first XI who was capable of receiving well from the back four. The last time we had a good enough local was with Mike Cunningham. Kelly and Ruka (both outsiders) were pretty good at it in my mind.  If given a chance with decent game time, Cotter and O'Farrell would have struggled at first but then done OK I think because they want to run for 90 mins and they are both technical and skilful enough to keep the ball.  Couple the lack in the midfield, especially after Ruka left, with a coach who screams boot it long all day and you have the disaster that we all witnessed.  I don't blame the defenders, I think Ross, Matt, Jude, Tristan etc all wanted to play to feet, but you can't do that if there are no decent targets and/or the ball is just going to get turned over. 3) But the discussion started by GI party etc was about the FSPL. I see enough from Cavy and Roslyn (and even Uni) to show at the FSPL level that they can play long and short to good effect.  Tech need to turn it around and exorcise anything the previous coach had to say, but they have a good coach now - so let's see what happens.  Mosgiel would be more effective if they went long when it was on, because they have quite good pace to hurt a side.  And this is where it gets stupid for any side not being able to see an opportunity more than 20 metres away because it's all play to feet in a 10-20 metre zone. 4) And trust me, play Mosgiel AFC against ACFC and guess what would happen if the Plainsmen started knocking it around at the back.  De Vries and co. would be all over you like a rash, poor old Morgy wouldn't cope, Eder would do his best but fail because he'd be overwhelmed, your whole back four would freak out and yeah, the plainsmen would start booting it long.

There are loads of examples on youtube.  I like this one because he's under no pressure, he can make at least three short passes, but he has the vision to do what he did.  Oh yeah and it's a wee unknown team called Brazil.

Filipe

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There are loads of examples on youtube.  I like this one because he's under no pressure, he can make at least three short passes, but he has the vision to do what he did.  Oh yeah and it's a wee unknown team called Brazil.

Filipe

Germany 7 Brazil 1 yeah..

What's funny is I knew you'd say that and now the whole forum understands how little you know about Football. So your point is what?  Is it that Brazil got smashed that day because they tried to play out from the back too much against a German side that pressed hard?  If so it's a point well made.  But I doubt you could actually notice that.

On the topic of long balls again - did anyone see the first PSG goal today?  The safe option was just go long, but when I coached I hated the keeper just booting it long so I would split the full backs wide and have the CB ready in the middle on the edge of the box also - most of all I'd get the keeper to take the (short) kick as quickly as possible.  I can recall seeing plenty of occasions last year when ZG just went route one, so Mosgiel advocated long balls in that respect.  Perhaps it has changed this year.

Mate.. 

You think kicking it long is a good way to play, clearly you know nothing.

1) Read my posts again about long ball play - it's a good way when required. 2) Mate?  No, I'm not your mate. No way, no thank you.

A couple of local Dunedin footballing battlers arguing about tactics like they're bloody Mourinho or Pep. The fact is there is no tactical quality in the coaches around this region, Tony Martin would probably be your best shout. 

Does anyone really think Mosgiel's 4-0 win was because they were tactically better than Tech or were there just 11 better players playing in blue on the day? I wasn't there so somebody who was may have a more of an insight but I'd be pretty comfortable assuming Brook and Boylan didn't "outsmart" TM?

Tony Martin is the only coach in Dunedin that actually knows the understanding of football tactics and players positional play. Next closest would have to be Andy Duncan. Horner is still quite raw but the potential is there. 

Other than those mentioned there's none even close

It sounds like Mosgiel just have a better team than Tech and turned up on the day, simple.

Shark post - throw up a card, no discussion, no explanation, just a little man in a black suit who never got breast fed.  Are you ref in RL as well?

No not Mourinho or Pep or anyone even remotely close to their coaching acumen. The tactics I'm talking about are so basic that kid's coaches all over NZ understand them.  Just not logic and his real mates who are, in reality, just sniping at the only two teams who've won the FSPL in the past decade plus.  I'm not sure who said Mosgiel were tactically better, but it wasn't me.

The Southern Utd youth team didn't achieve what they did based on natural talent alone.  That coaching and management team are doing something right.

What is this conclusion based on if you don't mind me asking? What have TM and AD done that TH hasn't? Only a few loses in three year's would suggest to me there must be a little more to TH than raw potential. I didn't know AD had even coached at a "high" level. Surely there are a few Fleming's will some sort of nouse.

It looked to me as tho Dunedin Tech played with one man up front on that day and let Mosgiel play out from the back in an attempt to squeeze and turn over possession in their final third, which didn't work on this day. Is this Tony's poor tactic's or his team's poor ability to execute? Does this also mean Brook out smarted him by making sure his team were not caught on the ball in their final third and playing safe if the situation was required?

Brooke < TM

results ?

Disaster at Ellis Park, 2-1 down to Green Island

Roslyn lose to GI, Tom Stevens sure to be dropped next week

He didn't play 

horrible result glove....

Tom played but, you have to credit to GI they dominated the first half and unlucky not to be 2/3 up but Roslyn came back and could've easily won! Although Gi first goal could've also been given hand ball. It was a good game 

Not the best way to spend a cracking Saturday afternoon.

can't agree more, losing to the onions...

The problem with byes is I cant watch Brook destroy other teams to pieces.

Callum Flaws has come to his final stop on The Train and is on the hunt for first team action. Mosgiel and Roslyn are in the sights of the Caversham reject but is he right going to either of these two clubs? Both clubs have attackers that will offer a lot more on and off the pitch. would be a silly move in my opinion. 

Off to Mosgiel, Hirczy & Riddell playing well at the moment, surely behind them

Ha Plainsmen wishing they had ZG today? Aaaaaughibbrgubugbugrguburgle!

results?

giddy up