Wonderful display. No disrespect to Khan for the oggie, it happens to all of us, but that was a spectacular and therefore hilarious diving header. It would have been one for the highlights reel had he done it at the correct end.
Very very impressed by Alex Paulsen, IMHO he kept the Weenix in it in the first half when the defence were getting muscled off the ball all the time.
Wonderful display. No disrespect to Khan for the oggie, it happens to all of us, but that was a spectacular and therefore hilarious diving header. It would have been one for the highlights reel had he done it at the correct end.
Very very impressed by Alex Paulsen, IMHO he kept the Weenix in it in the first half when the defence were getting muscled off the ball all the time.
I know it's only very early in the new season, and it's nigh on impossible for me to get to a lot of matches being in the rugby mad and football isolated region of Taranaki ? But is there anyone who is looking likely to make the step up to the Nix or get close to the first team over the coming years?
Wonderful display. No disrespect to Khan for the oggie, it happens to all of us, but that was a spectacular and therefore hilarious diving header. It would have been one for the highlights reel had he done it at the correct end.
Very very impressed by Alex Paulsen, IMHO he kept the Weenix in it in the first half when the defence were getting muscled off the ball all the time.
I know it's only very early in the new season, and it's nigh on impossible for me to get to a lot of matches being in the rugby mad and football isolated region of Taranaki ? But is there anyone who is looking likely to make the step up to the Nix or get close to the first team over the coming years?
Wonderful display. No disrespect to Khan for the oggie, it happens to all of us, but that was a spectacular and therefore hilarious diving header. It would have been one for the highlights reel had he done it at the correct end.
Very very impressed by Alex Paulsen, IMHO he kept the Weenix in it in the first half when the defence were getting muscled off the ball all the time.
I know it's only very early in the new season, and it's nigh on impossible for me to get to a lot of matches being in the rugby mad and football isolated region of Taranaki ? But is there anyone who is looking likely to make the step up to the Nix or get close to the first team over the coming years?
I did think that he was one of the names that would pop up. He's got some decent stats based on what transfermarkt and sofascore cover in terms of assists and now it seems adding a few goals too. Although I'm aware these aren't the sole pieces of information that should be relied on.
Even though it's a very young squad this year due to the senior Nix squad being entirely Aussie based. It's probably the best thing for those in the squad seeking to push their claims for higher honours and senior contracts in the coming years. Definitely what it's all about though.
Presumably th WeeNix will have no Pro players this season so it will be interesting to see how they go with some consistency.
WeeNix concede a very soft late penalty for a 1-1 draw vs Hamilton.
Soft is an understatement.
Didn't see who it was that went down, but you would've thought a brick had dropped out the sky at that very moment and clocked him one...
That's not a soft penalty at all. Defender just looks to shoulder the attacker in the back.
Soft - defender gave him the slightest of knocks.
2-1 up in the Wel-calssico. TW's goal looked like two players were oiff-side.
The Wee Nix faded after a strong start. TW a bit too good
Eastern Suburbs V Wee Nix - The Nick Waldom show. 3 mins in, 1 straight red & sending off, 2 mins later a penalty and a Yellow Card. 2 mins after that another yellow card..... This games has the highlights show in just the first 7 minutes.
Go Nick Waldrom, Just sent off a second Phoenix player and given another penalty. Problem? Yep, because he sent off the wrong player. Old should have gone off but Waldrom sent off someone else. And this is the guy who does the VAR for the Nix in the A League.
Im surprised by the negativity on Twitter. At the ground both felt like fouls + last man. Yet to see videos so perhaps we are all totally wrong.
Obviously sending the wrong player off is comical but the reason it happened was because all mental effort was diverted to deciding if it was in the box or not. Heh.
The first guy was tackled outside the box but on the edge of the 18 yard circle. The second guy was the wrong player to get marched and apparently if the real culprit (10 - It was 18 that was sent marching) wasn't identified the red card should have been put away and play carried on. The ref did consult the linesman whom also got the jersey number wrong. Trouble is, there's a big difference in the looks of the two players.That the Suburbs guy was brought down, was a fair call.
The first guy was tackled outside the box but on the edge of the 18 yard circle. The second guy was the wrong player to get marched and apparently if the real culprit (10 - It was 18 that was sent marching) wasn't identified the red card should have been put away and play carried on. The ref did consult the linesman whom also got the jersey number wrong. Trouble is, there's a big difference in the looks of the two players.That the Suburbs guy was brought down, was a fair call.
Would assume the mistake (which was still comical) came from it being 10 v 18, which look similar enough, combined with the foul occurring in a place you'd more expect 18 (their LB) to be than 10 (their AM/CM).
True. But if in doubt, rule the card out.
90 minutes with ten players 8-0. They did pretty food in the first half holding the score right down. But the numbers tired and the score increased. At least the red card should be and rightly, rescinded.
90 minutes with ten players 8-0. They did pretty food in the first half holding the score right down. But the numbers tired and the score increased. At least the red card should be and rightly, rescinded.
Only 50 minutes with 10.
40 minutes with 9
Yep, Thank you. And in all seriousness if no one had been marched, I think it would have been a close and very interesting game.
haven’t seen the reds. Warranted?
haven’t seen the reds. Warranted?
First one were still defenders closer to goal and contact outside the box , so looked questionable. Second one may have looked stronger but the sending off of the wrong player clouded the process. My initial thoughts were the two were competing and not a red. That was late in the game so would not have had the same impact as that very early one did.
haven’t seen the reds. Warranted?
First one were still defenders closer to goal and contact outside the box , so looked questionable. Second one may have looked stronger but the sending off of the wrong player clouded the process. My initial thoughts were the two were competing and not a red. That was late in the game so would not have had the same impact as that very early one did.
https://twitter.com/wgtnphoenixacad/status/1355731...
It was 51 minutes. Not so late in the game
haven’t seen the reds. Warranted?
First one were still defenders closer to goal and contact outside the box , so looked questionable. Second one may have looked stronger but the sending off of the wrong player clouded the process. My initial thoughts were the two were competing and not a red. That was late in the game so would not have had the same impact as that very early one did.
https://twitter.com/wgtnphoenixacad/status/1355731...
It was 51 minutes. Not so late in the game
Thanks for clarifying , it felt later with so much drama, but 2 minutes in was an impossible task for the youngsters and set the tone for the refereeing display.
First one definitely wasn't red for me, covering defenders made it not DOGSO. Second one clear cut apart from the wrong player getting his marching orders.
10/10 work from Paul Temple during Mogg's after match - you can see exactly why the Nix academy is turning out decent players when the people in charge approach leadership like that! Huge respect.
I'm purely neutral for both teams and there's no way the first card was a red, he wasn't exactly barreling through on goal and there was other defenders approaching from both sides.
As for sending off the wrong player, pretty inexcusable with 4 officials there, shouldn't be hard to figure it out and it makes you wonder sometimes how much attention the officials are paying.
How good is Alex Grieve too?
First one definitely wasn't red for me, covering defenders made it not DOGSO. Second one clear cut apart from the wrong player getting his marching orders.
10/10 work from Paul Temple during Mogg's after match - you can see exactly why the Nix academy is turning out decent players when the people in charge approach leadership like that! Huge respect.
Yes, he was brilliant and you could see the whole team was "spent" and upset. I thought he handled is remarkably restrained.
I'm purely neutral for both teams and there's no way the first card was a red, he wasn't exactly barreling through on goal and there was other defenders approaching from both sides.
As for sending off the wrong player, pretty inexcusable with 4 officials there, shouldn't be hard to figure it out and it makes you wonder sometimes how much attention the officials are paying.
How good is Alex Grieve too?
And You are quite right too.
Disappointing to see David Dome being such a wanker about the red cards on twitter, espeically after the measured and mature response to the Rufer red. Bizarre, and not the place to be airing dirty laundry.
I think the first red is about right - Kingsley would have had the opportunity to shoot with only the GK able to block/make a save so it fits DOGSO for me - other other CB who is technically deeper than #5 is not getting across in time, neither is #6. Left back (from memory #4) was really wide.
Hard in real time (was at the game) and thought it was right then and have watched the video back and it looks right - interestingly enough I was on the other angle at the game (I'm just off shot to the the left).
Other than that I think the nix player who gave the ball up (#5) and then got sent off was fouled by the other Suburbs player so that muddies the waters there a bit.
haven't seen the video so won't comment, but I do think there is a risk people are still thinking 'last man' isn't there so can't be dogso.
The laws says dogso considerations are:
distance between the offence and the goal
general direction of the play
likelihood of keeping or gaining control of the ball
location and number of defenders.
I will offer no opinion till I have seen the clips concerned. You can never really tell from a photo.
Losing 8-0 is embarrassing - I'm still waiting to hear a good reason why they don't have to qualify for the playoffs next winter season.
They should have to earn it like every other team, not just turn up and be guaranteed a spot.
That is not how the real world or the real football world works.
I think the reason that they don't have to qualify is that there may be a contract/agreement between the Phoenix and NZ football that guarantees a place in the highest domestic league ? Whether the restructure makes such an agreement invalid is a interesting question. What happens if Lower Hutt happens to qualify from the Central Region ? Do the Phoenix get two spots ?
I think the reason that they don't have to qualify is that there may be a contract/agreement between the Phoenix and NZ football that guarantees a place in the highest domestic league ? Whether the restructure makes such an agreement invalid is a interesting question. What happens if Lower Hutt happens to qualify from the Central Region ? Do the Phoenix get two spots ?
No, the Phoenix and whatever club they are partnering with will be required to make it a formal agreement (as opposed to an MOU which they operate under now). The club with which they are partnering with (Lower Hutt ATM) will forgo any right to play in the National round, meaning if Lower Hutt finish in the top 3 then the 4th place team would go forward instead
My broad recollection is that the basis for this is that the Phoenix is required to operate a youth/reserves team under the A-League license T&Cs, and NZFs position is broadly that there will be better opportunities for NZ youngsters in a team based in NZ, rather than Australia. Right now the A-League agree that Reserves in NL fulfills the obligation.
I was at first opposed to the automatic entry, but on balance and after some thought, it does make sense for NZF to agree to this, if we wish to retain the Phoenix in the A-League- perhaps that is the lens to see it through - better on balance for the Football ecosystem in NZ that the youth team operates here than in Oz, comprised mostly of Australian youth players.
Is there any other league in the world that allows a reserve/youth team into the finals playoffs or top national league by default?
Go on, I'll wait....
Is there any other league in the world that allows a reserve/youth team into the finals playoffs or top national league by default?
Go on, I'll wait....
what other country has it's sole professional team playing in another countries league?
not saying its right having the Weenix in there but would rather they were in NZ league than an Aussie based Weenix team
and are you really surprised by NZF - this is a body that kicked Manawatu out so they could put in a national age group team in the national league!
Is there any other league in the world that allows a reserve/youth team into the finals playoffs or top national league by default?
Go on, I'll wait....
Is there any other league in the world that allows a reserve/youth team into the finals playoffs or top national league by default?
Go on, I'll wait....
This.
NZF's job is to what's best for NZ Football. Having the Weenix in NL, has undoubtedly helped the development of guys like Singh, Cacace, Bell, Elliott, Rufer and others. Much prefer NZF, to be helping the Phoenix than not, which has too often been the case in the past. NZ is a tiny football country, so the national body and country's only pro club need to be on the same song sheet, to maximise the small talent pool.
I see this summer Stuff have been running no articles on the Handy Prem. The general NZ sporting public have little interest in domestic football. There was that fleeting moment when ACFC finished 3rd at CWC, but was just blip in time. Nix and AWs/FFs are the shop window for the game, not the domestic national leagues - which basically just development leagues.
Motto of Handy Prem was where AWs are made. I liked that. Personally I don't really care at all about who wins the NL, but I really enjoy seeing young Kiwis progress from there to overseas, and hopefully the AWs. The season of Handy Prem, I liked the most was when ES (defacto Ole) won playing attractive football with 100% NZ players.
However do get that some people are passionate club people, want to see their club win a national title, and are maybe irked that the Weenix take a spot in NL playoffs, at their club's expense.
But again NZF should be doing what's best for NZ Football, and having the cream of NZ based young talent playing at highest domestic level possible, is what's undoubtedly best for for the game here. Hopefully Ole/Wests can grab a spot in the playoffs as well. Just a pity that the NL playoffs themselves are going to be lower quality than what Handy Prem is.
