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Chris Payne Disappreciation Society

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about 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
How is anyone so sure that the handball was not intentional? Is there some sort of twitter feed into Chris Payne's mind that I do not currently have access to?
 
He stuck his hand out, guided it into the net, and celebrated like he'd just headed into the net. Seemed fairly intentional to me.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qe_B5CzbTJo - Caceres winning penalty v Perth - footage from the Fever Zone

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about 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
bjools wrote:
For those who think Sydney were better and Payne was the worst thing to happen
1.  Over the top foul on McKain should have been a red card.
2.  South Korean hand ball should have been a yellow card and a free kick into the box.
3.  Third goal was set up by a guy who received the ball in an offside position.
4.  Fourth goal Brosque(?) was offside when he received the ball.
Now how would the game have gone.
 
Can I tell you a short story?
 
�In the Wild West a small town is making a lot of noise ... so the marshal office send one of their best sheriffs to put law into town - and he does whatever he needs to do and it is quiet.�
 
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about 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Guided?...

Someone else deal with steve-o.
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about 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
He is allowed to disagree with you Max.

I personally don't believe it was intentional, but according to the interpretations of the laws of the game, it is still a handball.
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about 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Stefan wrote:
Guided?...

Someone else deal with steve-o.
 
Says 'guided' in the match report...hence my use of the word.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qe_B5CzbTJo - Caceres winning penalty v Perth - footage from the Fever Zone

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about 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
To me. Its clearly not guided.
Apologies.
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about 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
To me, once it missed his head, he thrust his arm at the ball. That may be me looking at it from a biased perspective, but that is how my brain interpreted what I saw.
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about 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
I've had several (15?) beers...feeling a little dejected my tonight's events.
 
Perhaps another look at it will change my mind.
 
Intentional or not, it should've been spotted and it pisses me off no end because it changed the game at an extremely vital time.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qe_B5CzbTJo - Caceres winning penalty v Perth - footage from the Fever Zone

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about 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Perhaps Colosimo deserves a share of our ire too. He was the closest Sydney player to Payne, clearly saw the handball and after it went in appeared (to me) to immediatly bearhug a slightly guilty looking Payne and haul him away from the scene of the crime. They're rotten to the core I tell you.
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about 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Sniffer wrote:
Steve-O wrote:
He was never going to own up to it, but 1 of 4 officials should've seen it, there are no excuses. F**king shocking. End of.

Only the ref would have been in THE best position to see Payne handle the ball. The linesman on the bench side wouldn't have had a prayer looking through all the players that were in the penalty area & the arm that made contact with the ball was Paynes left arm putting that on the wrong side of the linesman view.

Nah, if the lino was doing what he was supposed to (ie. staying in line with the last defender), then he wouldve had the best view as Payne was the most forward player at the time of the incident. Replays confirm there were zero obstacles between Payne and the sideline obstructing any view. Lino should be the one looked at here. 99% of all players wouldve taken the goal in that situation under the do or die circumstances of finals football.
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about 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
StopOut wrote:
Perhaps Colosimo deserves a share of our ire too. He was the closest Sydney player to Payne, clearly saw the handball and after it went in appeared (to me) to immediatly bearhug a slightly�guilty looking�Payne and haul him away from the scene of the crime. They're rotten to the core I tell you.




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about 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
It's easy to condemn the kid calling him a cheat and that he should of owned up to it. But if it was the other way round, no one would only honestly anything. From watching the replay many times, it looks unintentional. His head goes down to hit the ball but misses and hits his arm.

And everyone saying that moment changed the game, apart from the five minutes from when we scored. We were terrible first half. No one stood up and took charge. Bertos, Brown, Muscat, Greeny, Ifill, Lochy were all terrible. Ricki left it to late with the subs. Alot of things were bad about our performance.

Apart from that incident, I thought Payne was good for Sydney. Was running circles around Lochy the first half, was good second half also. I honestly hope Sydney win, mostly because I can't stand Thompson overrated player and Muscat a REAL cheater.
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about 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
It's no different to any other sh*t ref call in this (or any)l eague each week.

Very few pro players would admit they broke the rules like that - and if it was your player you wouldn't bat an eyelid.

It sucks, it hurts, but you lost 4-2 tonight and were all at sea in the second half. Brosque in particular f**ks with your defence and no single handball changes the fact that over 90mins tonight your players didn't really turn up.
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about 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Stevo wrote:
Can I tell you a short story?
 
�In the Wild West a small town is making a lot of noise ... so the marshal office send one of their best sheriffs to put law into town - and he does whatever he needs to do and it is quiet.�
 


Brilliant Stevo. If Ricki had had the presence of mind to repeat that word for word it would have been f**king funny.

And Jaza - f**k off mate. At least have the class to stay off our forum why we are dealing with this OK? Phoenix fans are the one group who do not have to defend, or make excuses for, Chris Payne. Everybody else will do a fine job of that, believe me.

Your crowd last night was a disgrace by the way. Karma dictates you are going down against Melbourne.

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about 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

there are many precedents for cheating....it wont stop and we cant change it so Im going to say to myself FISHMO..and enrol in angstmanagement course..

I doubt if it will rock this countries boat as much as the Thierrys one did to Ireland.
 

A small town in Europe........looking to bounce straight back up....well that aint going to happen

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about 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=10631950

"The referee said it was ball to hand rather than hand to ball and let it stand," Durante said. "The linesman said he didn't see it. It's really hard to take."


This better not be true, I'm angry on the basis that noone saw it, but if the Ref saw it and tries to explain it away like that.....
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about 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
loyalgunner wrote:
To everyone who says not to have a go or 'be nice' - grow up.  We can reflect on the season in other threads, but this is for the abuse of Payne.

I hope his mother dies in a freak yachting accident.
 
This post: a tick from  from Mr Cronus, Mrs Cronus and Cronus Junior.
 
EDIT:  Well perhaps not the bit about his mother ...
 
cronus2010-03-14 09:26:57
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about 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Im proud of the Phoenix and what they have achieved this season. That includes YF. So proud!!! yes disappointed in lastnights game. So glad Durante scored :)  Now waiting for the WC darkhorse2010-03-14 09:24:47
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about 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

And how is Liam Reddy going to integrate alongside Payne in the same team next year, that is what I want to know ... 

I wonder if last night's incident will be enough to swing him back our way ...
 
 
 
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about 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
I'm leaving a bloody cut off hand underneath his pillow
tonight and I'll do other gruesome things till he confesses.

also got a "can this potato get more fans than chris payne" on facebook.

http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=10150138144220206phoenix_luver2010-03-14 10:20:49
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about 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Stefan wrote:
Steve-O wrote:
Stefan wrote:
I'll just say. The only part that made Chris Payne a cheating c**t. Is the fact that he didnt own up to it. It certainly wasn't deliberate. Take that!


 

Pardon me? Of course it was.


Please watch the footage. He was quite obviously making an attempt with to head it in. He had his head down ready for it.
 
If it's not deliberate, then it's an allowable goal. Handball has to be deemed deliberate to be a foul.
 
However, of course it's deliberate. He leans with his head knowing he probably won't make it, puts his arm out to make sure he can get it in.
 
I was with you on the mature and calm posts Stefan, but to claim it was accidental....
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about 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
2ndBest wrote:
No it wasn't intentional.  But given the position of his arm relative to his body makes it a handball.
 
2ndBest - that positioning aspect is part of the ref criteria to determine whether he deems the handball to be intentional.
 
No intent = no foul, but a player is generally going to say it was accidental so the ref has published guidelines by which to decide whether a hand ball is deliberate.
 
The laws are quite clear on that. If it's not deliberate it's not a foul.
 

Handling the ball involves a deliberate act of a player making contact with the ball with his hand or arm. The referee must take the following into consideration:

� the movement of the hand towards the ball (not the ball towards the hand)

� the distance between the opponent and the ball (unexpected ball)

� the position of the hand does not necessarily mean that there is an infringement

 
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about 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
In the cold light of day...without watching any replays

What if Aloisi hadn't pulled up lame.
What if the Nix had defended the free-kick properly and stopped the ball getting to Payne (let alone his arm)

...we probably would have lost still. They outplayed us...

Any way another one to put on the "underarm bowling' list
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about 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
He's moving his arm, intentional or not, in a way that help guide it into the goal in my opinion. Sydney were going to win this match based on the previous 30 minutes or so - despite Durante's goal (). There was the opportunity to just own up. It wasn't intentional, therefore no risk of a card - but for the sake of the game and the league, he should have owned up. He is going to wear this for a very long time now.

Central Hawkes Bay Nix
and tragic follower of Charlton Athletic 
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about 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Yeah, but if it's not intentional he has nothing to own up to - if it's an accident, then owning up to doing it accidentally is just glorified gloating.

Thing is, if you are reaching for a header it's not natural to stick your far arm out... unless you are indulging in that old trick of, "if it misses my head, it'll get my arm and might look like it was a header." It's not that uncommon, unfortunately, but it is usually seen and carded as "unsporting behaviour."
 
I agree that I think Sydney were better than us  and ultimately, the hand ball made no real difference to the eventual winners. Bring on next season.
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about 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Lets boo the sh*t oput of him when he plays at the ring of fire next season!
Oh Wellington is wonderful. We got the wind, the rain and the phoenix. Oh Wellington is wonderful.
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about 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
...but... what would any of us have done in the same situation ? 

In the few seconds after 'scoring' , you wouldn't have the time  to weigh up the pros and cons for owning up. You have just scored, your team is winning, and on their way to <insert final of comp here> and at that point in time that's all that matters.

Later you think, dammit I should have told the ref, then I may have picked up the 'Sportsperson of the Day' certificate (with Mcdonalds Vouchers and a Moro Bar), and would be lauded by the Media, and pick up the Mr. Nice Guy nick-name.

but then if you had, you would have stood the chance of getting the sh*t kicked out of you in the sheds at half-time, and your own fans turning against you as you are known as the 'Pr*ck that lost us the chance to win <insert final of comp here>.

So you prefer the ire/venom of the opposing fans and take the goal

and if you would own up to the ref, at what level would you stop doing it..Kickabout with mates. ,Social League game ,Local Area Club game ,NZFC,A-League ,A-League Finals, International (Friendly) ,International World Cup Qualifiers......


Anyway.... I still think he is a C*nt




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about 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
^^ A good and thought provoking post.
 
Ricki also sums it up v well in today's SMH ...
 
"If you're going to lose, that's fine. We've lost a ton of them. But I think that's extremely disappointing, like that. No different than the Irish goal. As a club, you've got to consider what your ethics are and if you're acceptable [sic] of that, so be it"
 
I guess this is why I like the way he coaches the Nix and what they seem to be as a club. ...
 
 
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about 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Great man, great club.
 
 

"Phoenix till they lose"

Posting 97% bollox, 8% lies and 3.658% genuine opinion. 

Genuine opinion: FTFFA

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about 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Recorded and watched the " hand of pain" incident a dozen times.
 
Anyone who says it was unintentional(or an accident) is talking bollocks.!
 
watch it again....anyone lunging forward to head a ball naturally throws the arms down and back for balance and to get more power. He had his right arm down and back but flung his left arm forward to meet the ball as it missed his head....deliberate hand ball. He knew what he was doing. If you lead into a header with an arm up then you are deliberatly in a position to have the arm contact the ball.
 
Straight out of the Diego Maradonna coaching manual.
 
Don't cloud the issue with "but we would have lost anyway" or "what would you done in the same position"......it was cheating.
 
Actually if FIFA had any balls and had responded the way they should after the "Henry" incident then there would be mechanisisms to stamp this shiite out.
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about 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
In the beginning there was Diego, then there was Tierry and now .......
 
 
 
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about 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
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about 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
SiNZ wrote:
2ndBest wrote:
No it wasn't intentional.  But given the position of his arm relative to his body makes it a handball.
 
2ndBest - that positioning aspect is part of the ref criteria to determine whether he deems the handball to be intentional.
 
No intent = no foul, but a player is generally going to say it was accidental so the ref has published guidelines by which to decide whether a hand ball is deliberate.
 
The laws are quite clear on that. If it's not deliberate it's not a foul.
 

Handling the ball involves a deliberate act of a player making contact with the ball with his hand or arm. The referee must take the following into consideration:

� the movement of the hand towards the ball (not the ball towards the hand)

� the distance between the opponent and the ball (unexpected ball)

� the position of the hand does not necessarily mean that there is an infringement

 


Yer sorry my recall of the law was a bit dodgy.  I was thinking it was allowed to be unintentional but those 3 criteria could make it a FK.

So essentially, because there was ample distance between where the free kick was taken and the location of the handball (ie. plenty of time for the player to get his arm away from the path of the ball), makes it deliberate.  Thus handball.
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about 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
C.T. wrote:
...but... what would any of us have done in the same situation ? 

In the few seconds after 'scoring' , you wouldn't have the time  to weigh up the pros and cons for owning up. You have just scored, your team is winning, and on their way to <insert final of comp here> and at that point in time that's all that matters.

Later you think, dammit I should have told the ref, then I may have picked up the 'Sportsperson of the Day' certificate (with Mcdonalds Vouchers and a Moro Bar), and would be lauded by the Media, and pick up the Mr. Nice Guy nick-name.

but then if you had, you would have stood the chance of getting the sh*t kicked out of you in the sheds at half-time, and your own fans turning against you as you are known as the 'Pr*ck that lost us the chance to win <insert final of comp here>.

So you prefer the ire/venom of the opposing fans and take the goal

and if you would own up to the ref, at what level would you stop doing it..Kickabout with mates. ,Social League game ,Local Area Club game ,NZFC,A-League ,A-League Finals, International (Friendly) ,International World Cup Qualifiers......


Anyway.... I still think he is a C*nt






Yes, I would have owned up because I would be showing faith in my 10 team-mates that we can win the good old fashioned way. 

IMO, the guy is lower than low, and I hope like hell he makes another guest appearance but this time at the ROF.  He's probably more despised than Mitchell Johnson could ever be despite being a dummy who thought it would be prudent to head butt a HELMET!  I love sport, all sport, and frankly when you see diabolical cheating, and there's no other word for it so let's be PC and beat around the bush, it sickens me.  A whole season on the line, and some substiute comes on and does a Maradona.  I didn't like it then, I don't like it now, the only difference is Diego Maradona was a God on the pitch this goose is a benchie in the A-League.

All in all, great season, and hopefully a bit of motivation stems from this for next season.
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about 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
AJ13 wrote:

ahmad wrote:
HANDBALL IS THE NEW UNDERARM
Possible banner idea for next seasons Nix vs. Sydney fixture(s) at ROF?


Perfect!! We'd better be playing them at RoF instead of elsewhere.

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about 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Oceanic6 wrote:
AJ13 wrote:

ahmad wrote:
HANDBALL IS THE NEW UNDERARM
Possible banner idea for next seasons Nix vs. Sydney fixture(s) at ROF?


Perfect!! We'd better be playing them at RoF instead of elsewhere.



Hopefully the first game of the season!

"Phoenix till they lose"

Posting 97% bollox, 8% lies and 3.658% genuine opinion. 

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about 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
I was always under the impression that if your arm is making your body bigger it is a FK, regardless of intention. Right or wrong?
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about 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
If the referee's explanation is as stated earlier on this thread, it is an absolute disgrace.
 
It was definitely intentional, I've seen plenty of players try the old 'put the head down to make it look like a header while handling into the net' trick. I think this is the first time I've ever seen the free kick not given.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qe_B5CzbTJo - Caceres winning penalty v Perth - footage from the Fever Zone

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