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11 Apr 04:26 · edited 09 Sep 05:00
Paulinho wrote:
Yeah he was offside. A little confused why you needed to post the picture, everyone saw it.
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Just to get an acknowlegement but mainly to show just how bad the EPL Match Officials have been this season. Not just us that has been shafted. Then again there was Hill's goal against Bolton that was easily in as well.
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11 Apr 04:36 · edited 09 Sep 05:00
BarryZuckerkorn wrote:
I don't have a team in England that I really care about supporting, but I find it odd that non-Man U fans would rather Man U won the EPL than City. I get it with Arsenal fans because of the player poaching that's gone on but it sems like plenty of others feel the same way. I personally would rather City win because for all the talk about it being more competitive than La Liga there have still only been 3 winners since Blackburn in 95, so for the competition as a whole I think it would be good to see that change. Plus when one team dominates so much I would think some old fashioned tall poppy syndrome would manifest. Or am I just underestimating how much people hate new money clubs?


I have purely selfish motives for preferring that Man U hold off City. It will make a better story when Newcastle takes the title!
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11 Apr 06:22 · edited 09 Sep 05:00
Ho hum, as has been pointed out at length - it's up to everyone else to raise the bar. But Stripes, I reckon Pardew deserves all the credit he's now starting to get. PS Don't take Carroll back. What about Chis Wood in B&W stripes?

Now, Wigan tonight....

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11 Apr 07:53 · edited 09 Sep 05:00
I wonder if Young will get another penalty?
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11 Apr 09:35 · edited 09 Sep 05:00
Lonegunmen wrote:
I wonder if Young will get another penalty?


Get over it, everyone admits you were hard done by. The constant crying about United and fouls and penaltys is the green monster at its best.

United were actually awarded the lowest amount of fouls of any team in the league last year including penaltys.

Then again, it's easier to make up conspiracies than it is to admit inferiority.
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11 Apr 09:42 · edited 09 Sep 05:00
ChopperNZ wrote:

Lonegunmen wrote:
I wonder if Young will get another penalty?
Get over it, everyone admits you were hard done by. The constant crying about United and fouls and penaltys is the green monster at its best.United were actually awarded the lowest amount of fouls of any team in the league last year including penaltys.Then again, it's easier to make up conspiracies than it is to admit inferiority.


If you are old and wise you were probably young and stupid

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11 Apr 20:52 · edited 09 Sep 05:00
So Wigan's goal comes from a corner that wasn't and United denied a dead set penalty for handball? Reality is ... that's football folks.

The bigger issue to me is why were United so poor in the first half? Complacency? Surely not. Midfield of Giggs and Carrick plus 2 wide players is my reason. Having said that, fair play & congratulations to Wigan for their enthusiasm all over the park.
Biut looking at our performance, you can't get away from the fact that we only put 3 shots on target in 90+ minutes. Not good enough is it?

So, as I said yesterday 8 points this far out was never the finishing line. Obvious really.

Now it's 5 point gap, yes we're behind on goal difference and we have to visit City too.

BUT.. it's still in our hands. It's up to us. Do we have the bottle? Will we get our team selection right? Bring it on.Stretford End2012-04-12 08:54:43

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11 Apr 21:00 · edited 09 Sep 05:00
Was it an old boys favour to keep Wigan up. Looks like one of those games that AF praises a manager in trouble then some how loses the next game to them. I think it happened twice last season. 5 points will do.

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11 Apr 21:02 · edited 09 Sep 05:00
Yeah the refereeing decisions went against united today, will all those who claim united have the referees to thank for their position admit that?

In saying that united were f**king terrible today.
Fruglo on 15.01.2013 wrote:

Fuck this stupid game

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11 Apr 22:35 · edited 09 Sep 05:00
Has been mentioned already that Utd were poor and they were but Wigan were by far the better side in the first 60m and could have been 2 up. Giggs and Carrick were shocking but Utd looked better when Rooney went off.
The title is in our hands and lets hope we don't have to rely on others to get there.
Interesting to see if any of the stupid remarks from certain other team supporters regarging refs decisions towards Utd make any comment after this game.
Of course they won't cause the know f**k all about the game.
How Wigan are down the bottom of the table after that performane is amazing.

If you are old and wise you were probably young and stupid

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11 Apr 23:01 · edited 09 Sep 05:00
Leggy wrote:
How Wigan are down the bottom of the table after that performane is amazing.


Well, they've been sh*t for most of the season and have gained less points than 15 other teams. That's how.

Three for me, and two for them.

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11 Apr 23:51 · edited 09 Sep 05:00
Stretford End wrote:
Despite what i read almost everywhere the title isn't won yet. Agreed?
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12 Apr 02:30 · edited 09 Sep 05:00
Buffon II wrote:
Leggy wrote:
How Wigan are down the bottom of the table after that performane is amazing.


Well, they've been sh*t for most of the season and have gained less points than 15 other teams. That's how.


You are really on the ball today.

If you are old and wise you were probably young and stupid

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12 Apr 02:42 · edited 09 Sep 05:00
You asked.

Three for me, and two for them.

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12 Apr 04:46 · edited 09 Sep 05:00
Wigan weren't that good. United were terrible, a real off day for them. I dunno if it was the 8 point cushion or what but they were just flat across the park. Wigan might have played slighty better than they normally do but even that performance against most teams won't have got them 3 points.
Fruglo on 15.01.2013 wrote:

Fuck this stupid game

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12 Apr 06:03 · edited 09 Sep 05:00
A bit scathing and definitely not as ridiculously doomsday-ish as the writer suggests, but interesting article nonetheless;

http://www.football365.com/faves/7666368/F365-Says

If anyone can find a solution it will be fergie though
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12 Apr 08:03 · edited 09 Sep 05:00
What about the "goal" that Wigan had disallowed - general concensus (from all the but the most biased Utd fans) was that it was a legitimate goal that should have stood.  Caldwell stood his ground - didn't obstruct the keeper, didn't back into the keeper, and it happens at every corner in every game.
 
I think that Utd fans stating that the Wigan goal came from a corner that should not have been as proof that the get bad decisions as well is pretty rich.  If we are starting to claim that incorrect throw-ins and corner are deciding games, we are getting pretty desperate.
 
Bottom line is that Utd have struggled at Blackburn, and struggled at Wigan.  Everton the next home game is a tough one, and Sunderland and City still to play away are both games that ensure that the title race is not over now. If Citeh win at Norwich, then I would say that the momentum would be with them.

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12 Apr 08:22 · edited 09 Sep 05:00
Frankie Mac wrote:
What about the "goal" that Wigan had disallowed - general concensus (from all the but the most biased Utd fans) was that it was a legitimate goal that should have stood.� Caldwell stood his ground - didn't obstruct the keeper, didn't back into the keeper, and it happens at every corner in every game.
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I think that Utd fans stating that the Wigan goal came from a corner that should not have been as proof that the get bad decisions as well is pretty rich.� If we are starting to claim that incorrect throw-ins and corner are deciding games, we are getting pretty desperate.

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Bottom line is that Utd have struggled at Blackburn, and struggled at Wigan.� Everton the next home game is a tough one, and Sunderland and City still to play away are both games that ensure that the title race is not over now. If Citeh win at Norwich, then I would say that the momentum would be with them.
thats right wait for final whistle.

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12 Apr 08:35 · edited 09 Sep 05:00
Frankie Mac wrote:
What about the "goal" that Wigan had disallowed - general concensus (from all the but the most biased Utd fans) was that it was a legitimate goal that should have stood.� Caldwell stood his ground - didn't obstruct the keeper, didn't back into the keeper, and it happens at every corner in every game.
�

I think that Utd fans stating that the Wigan goal came from a corner that should not have been as proof that the get bad decisions as well is pretty rich.� If we are starting to claim that incorrect throw-ins and corner are deciding games, we are getting pretty desperate.

�

Bottom line is that Utd have struggled at Blackburn, and struggled at Wigan.� Everton the next home game is a tough one, and Sunderland and City still to play away are both games that ensure that the title race is not over now. If Citeh win at Norwich, then I would say that the momentum would be with them.


You are wrong about the next Utd game- is against Villa.

If you are old and wise you were probably young and stupid

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12 Apr 08:36 · edited 09 Sep 05:00
Frankie Mac wrote:
What about the "goal" that Wigan had disallowed - general concensus (from all the but the most biased Utd fans) was that it was a legitimate goal that should have stood.� Caldwell stood his ground - didn't obstruct the keeper, didn't back into the keeper, and it happens at every corner in every game.
�

I think that Utd fans stating that the Wigan goal came from a corner that should not have been as proof that the get bad decisions as well is pretty rich.� If we are starting to claim that incorrect throw-ins and corner are deciding games, we are getting pretty desperate.

�

Bottom line is that Utd have struggled at Blackburn, and struggled at Wigan.� Everton the next home game is a tough one, and Sunderland and City still to play away are both games that ensure that the title race is not over now. If Citeh win at Norwich, then I would say that the momentum would be with them.


Yeah I had to laugh at Fergie complaining about reffing decisions going against them in that match after the clearest goal you will see being disallowed for Wigan.

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12 Apr 08:41 · edited 09 Sep 05:00
Arsenal wrote:
Frankie Mac wrote:
What about the "goal" that Wigan had disallowed - general concensus (from all the but the most biased Utd fans) was that it was a legitimate goal that should have stood.� Caldwell stood his ground - didn't obstruct the keeper, didn't back into the keeper, and it happens at every corner in every game.
�

I think that Utd fans stating that the Wigan goal came from a corner that should not have been as proof that the get bad decisions as well is pretty rich.� If we are starting to claim that incorrect throw-ins and corner are deciding games, we are getting pretty desperate.

�

Bottom line is that Utd have struggled at Blackburn, and struggled at Wigan.� Everton the next home game is a tough one, and Sunderland and City still to play away are both games that ensure that the title race is not over now. If Citeh win at Norwich, then I would say that the momentum would be with them.


Yeah I had to laugh at Fergie complaining about reffing decisions going against them in that match after the clearest goal you will see being disallowed for Wigan.


The really great thing is that it will be a Manchester team that wins the league.

If you are old and wise you were probably young and stupid

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12 Apr 09:50 · edited 09 Sep 05:00
I am not surprised with the decisions you are getting!

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12 Apr 09:59 · edited 09 Sep 05:00
Old Boys Club won today.

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13 Apr 06:57 · edited 09 Sep 05:00
Arsenal wrote:
I am not surprised with the decisions you are getting!


So your lot have had 7 years of poor decisions?

If you are old and wise you were probably young and stupid

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13 Apr 22:49 · edited 09 Sep 05:00
Leggy wrote:
Arsenal wrote:
I am not surprised with the decisions you are getting!


So your lot have had 7 years of poor decisions?
 
The officials haven't been kind to them, either.
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15 Apr 21:44 · edited 09 Sep 05:00
Solid and did enough but Villa's young team were not the challenge Everton will be. Would have been interesting to see how things might have progressed without Young's penalty (we were also denied a penalty for handball late on too). Rooney's touch wasn't great but 2 goals is ok for an off day. Carrick and Evans were the standouts for me today. Scholes nearly turned back the clock with a couple of volleys from the edge of the box off corners. I love Scholesy and I hate to say it (because IMO a succession plan should have been sorted by now), but he is critical in the next 4 games.

Thought young Carruthers looked good and Heskey posed a threat when he came on too.

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16 Apr 00:20 · edited 09 Sep 05:00
Leggy wrote:
Interesting to see if any of the stupid remarks from certain other team supporters regarging refs decisions towards Utd make any comment after this game.
Of course they won't cause the know f**k all about the game.
So these evened out decisions are uneven again?
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16 Apr 04:32 · edited 09 Sep 05:00
2ndBest wrote:
Leggy wrote:
Interesting to see if any of the stupid remarks from certain other team supporters regarging refs decisions towards Utd make any comment after this game. Of course they won't cause the know f**k all about the game.


So these evened out decisions are uneven again?


The point I was making was that when decisions go against Utd then nothing is said.
In todays game there was a clear penaly for hand ball and Given deliberately handled the ball outside the area-red card? I think it evens itself out.

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16 Apr 04:53 · edited 09 Sep 05:00

Three for me, and two for them.

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16 Apr 06:05 · edited 09 Sep 05:00
Its all these damn foreigners playing in England that are diving. You'd never catch an English player doing that

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16 Apr 12:02 · edited 09 Sep 05:00
Young is a disgrace.

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16 Apr 22:54 · edited 09 Sep 05:00
Arsenal wrote:
Young is a disgrace.

Yeah, you can't condone behaviour like that. I sort of agree with Wenger's latest comments on suspending divers post game, however when an Arsenal player gets suspended, like Eduardo, then he shouldn't make as big a fuss and whinge like he did then. I'm still embarrassed by Tim Brown's dive against Newcastle a couple of seasons back.
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17 Apr 00:54 · edited 09 Sep 05:00
Lonegunmen wrote:
I wonder if Young will get another penalty?
How prophetic. The proof is in the pudding. 2 weeks, 2 penalties.
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17 Apr 01:26 · edited 09 Sep 05:00
Yawn. It's not against the laws of the game to dive. You can rightly complain that the referee should have caught a player, or that a dive is particularly graceless or futile (Andy Carroll is particularly "good" at that sort of dive). But whining about successful simulation is part of England's culture of footballing failure.
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17 Apr 02:47 · edited 09 Sep 05:00
Stripes wrote:
Yawn. It's not against the laws of the game to dive. You can rightly complain that the referee should have caught a player, or that a dive is particularly graceless or futile (Andy Carroll is particularly "good" at that sort of dive). But whining about successful simulation is part of England's culture of footballing failure.
It kind of is, isn't it? If the ref deems a player has dived/act of simulation he can book the player, it seems to me the same as a player handling the ball or a tackle and it is upon the ref to decide whether the action taken by the player is against the rules. http://www.fifa.com/mm/document/affederation/federation/lotg_en_55753.pdf pg 114

Do you see it as only illegal if you get caught by the ref?
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17 Apr 02:52 · edited 09 Sep 05:00
Stripes wrote:
Yawn. It's not against the laws of the game to dive. You can rightly complain that the referee should have caught a player, or that a dive is particularly graceless or futile (Andy Carroll is particularly "good" at that sort of dive). But whining about successful simulation is part of England's culture of footballing failure.
Arf.  wanna tell fifa?
 

There are different circumstances when a player must be cautioned for unsporting behaviour, e.g. if a player:

- attempts to deceive the referee by feigning injury or pretending to have been fouled (simulation)
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17 Apr 03:00 · edited 09 Sep 05:00
Bullion wrote:
Stripes wrote:
Yawn. It's not against the laws of the game to dive. You can rightly complain that the referee should have caught a player, or that a dive is particularly graceless or futile (Andy Carroll is particularly "good" at that sort of dive). But whining about successful simulation is part of England's culture of footballing failure.
It kind of is, isn't it? If the ref deems a player has dived/act of simulation he can book the player, it seems to me the same as a player handling the ball or a tackle and it is upon the ref to decide whether the action taken by the player is against the rules. http://www.fifa.com/mm/document/affederation/federation/lotg_en_55753.pdf pg 114

Do you see it as only illegal if you get caught by the ref?


Handling the ball isn't against the laws either. What you're arguing is akin to saying that letting the ball into the net, or out of the field of play, is against the laws of the game, because there is a procedure for dealing with these situations that is unfavourable for one side or the other.
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17 Apr 03:24 · edited 09 Sep 05:00
Law 12: Indirect free kicks. 
 
An indirect free kick is also awarded to the opposing team if, in the opinion of the referee, a player:

� plays in a dangerous manner

� impedes the progress of an opponent

� prevents the goalkeeper from releasing the ball from his hands

� commits any other offence, not previously mentioned in Law 12, for which play is stopped to caution or send off a player.

When combined with this law for cautions, then clearly diving is against the laws of the game. 

There are different circumstances when a player must be cautioned for unsporting behaviour, e.g. if a player:

- attempts to deceive the referee by feigning injury or pretending to have been fouled (simulation)
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