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Nelfoos wrote:

paulm wrote:

Rashford broke his leg??? Dang I did not notice that, poor lad.

You know full well that a "leg breaking" tackle doesn't necessarily break a leg. For mine that challenge was a yellow but you wouldn't complain if a red was shown. It was a bad tackle though.

He more than likely does not.His knowledge of football can be written on the back of a stamp.

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martinb wrote:

what's the news on Martial? He finally made a contribution to my fantasy team. Hows his injury?

What do you mean "finally"? He's scored 7 in the last 8!
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Nelfoos wrote:

martinb wrote:

what's the news on Martial? He finally made a contribution to my fantasy team. Hows his injury?

What do you mean "finally"? He's scored 7 in the last 8!

Picked him on that promise- once in the last 3 league games, including when I captained him against cellar dwellers.

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Considering everything, at least we have not been beaten at home in the league by Arsenal  for 10 years plus.

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"considering everything" hahahahaha

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20 Legend wrote:

Neve ra yellow card for Bellerin lol

In real time this looked like a case of players talking the ref into the card right?! 

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paulm wrote:

"considering everything" hahahahaha

I bet your IQ is pretty low.

Considering everything-------------- we made seven changes. 

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Can we please calm things down here a bit and stop playing the man. Ta.

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The infamous "12 or 72" post from a few years back comes to mind yet again. 

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Posts  19, 29, 39 49, 58, 62, 71, 78, 86, 89, 97, 101, 108  and 7761.

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It was so obvious to me that when Fellaini came on at half time for Dalot (who can actually pass a ball under pressure) the game was over.

Can't believe that Martial, Mata, Pogba were left to rot on the bench while Matic, Fellaini, Lukaku all played. Mourinho has to go. Daft starting line-up, daft game plan, and daft substitutions. After half time he just stood there waiting to get done.

You know what pisses me off most, if we want to play ugly football and just hoof it to our strike, leave Lukaku on the bench and play Fellaini as the striker.

Instead we persist in some bollocks that Fellaini is a CDM with a game plan that literally suits none of the players we have.

And just for a little bit of salt - Shaqiri's goals were extremely lucky deflections. And the guy runs and celebrates like he's just hit a 35 yard screamer.

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Yeah after that performance, I'd be amazed if Mou sees out the season. The contrast between the two teams is massive now and we're now in the same situation Pool were 3-4 years ago. One thing we need to get sorted is our recruitment. When I look around some of the other top teams and think about some of the gems they've signed or unearthed, I can't understand why we are not finding these players. Players in the mold of Fabinho, Torreira, Sane etc

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ChopperNZ wrote:

One thing we need to get sorted is our recruitment. When I look around some of the other top teams and think about some of the gems they've signed or unearthed, I can't understand why we are not finding these players. Players in the mold of Fabinho, Torreira, Sane etc

I think there's a couple of main reasons for this.

The first is that there's a generation of United fans who expect "proven" players. This means we end up with players like Lukaku, who anyone mildly impartial could tell you was just going to be the next one season wonder (Carroll, Benteke, etc etc).

The second and biggest reason is that players like Fabinho, Torreira, and Sane don't want to sit deep and chase after the ball for 90 minutes.

Lastly, Mourinho won't give time to anyone whose name isn't Matic. Fred is the perfect example of what happens if you sign for Manchester United right now. No opportunities until you've completely lost it. I remember opening game where Pogba, Pereira, and Fred started and we actually looked like a good unit. We've seen that since and those Pereira and Fred have both fallen off a cliff.

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The biggest club in the world being brought to its knees by one man's ego.

You know what? If we go to Anfield and play our strongest team, play positively and still go down I can handle that. But to go there and have world class players rotting on the bench while the likes of Lukaku, Darmian, Fellaini stink up the joint - all because of the manager's ego - is unforgivable. 

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Mourinho has never liked the flair players, his game is built around strangling teams rather than playing them off the park with flowing football.

Perriera for example will end up leaving as he simply isnt encouraged or allowed to show his abilities, remember that amazing goal at the u20 WC at NHS?

Mourinho knocked the flair out of Joe Cole and reduced him to a hard working box to box runner.

The amusing thing is that before Mourinho was appointed the big Utd forums all had poll ratings of 80% wanting him because trophies were more important than style, currently those big forums polls have all reversed that figure.

The worst thing for me is having to admit that Liverpool, City, Arsenal and Chelsea are more exciting to watch, actually virtually all other sides are more exciting to watch. 

Bring back the swashbuckling approach, trophies will follow. Strangling teams just kills everyone.

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Not all doom and gloom guys, at least there's this. 

Leggy wrote:

Considering everything, at least we have not been beaten at home in the league by Arsenal  for 10 years plus.

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paulm wrote:

Not all doom and gloom guys, at least there's this. 

Leggy wrote:

Considering everything, at least we have not been beaten at home in the league by Arsenal  for 10 years plus.

You are all mouth and trousers.

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20 Legend wrote:

And just for a little bit of salt - Shaqiri's goals were extremely lucky deflections. And the guy runs and celebrates like he's just hit a 35 yard screamer.

Haha get over yourself. He scored the winner in his first time playing in arguably Englands biggest rivalry, at home in front of the Kop. You expect him to not celebrate??

Oh yeah I forgot that Lingard didnt celebrate his extremely fortuitous goal...

You guys got absolutely dominated and should be happy in the end that there was only 2 goals in it 

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ColeWorld wrote:

20 Legend wrote:

And just for a little bit of salt - Shaqiri's goals were extremely lucky deflections. And the guy runs and celebrates like he's just hit a 35 yard screamer.

Haha get over yourself. He scored the winner in his first time playing in arguably Englands biggest rivalry, at home in front of the Kop. You expect him to not celebrate??

Oh yeah I forgot that Lingard didnt celebrate his extremely fortuitous goal...

You guys got absolutely dominated and should be happy in the end that there was only 2 goals in it 

To be honest mate you smashed about 25 long rate efforts then managed to sneak in 2 extremely lucky deflections. No doubt who the better team was but could have happily been 1-1 with your classic Liverpool choke!

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AlfStamp wrote:

Mourinho has never liked the flair players, his game is built around strangling teams rather than playing them off the park with flowing football.

Perriera for example will end up leaving as he simply isnt encouraged or allowed to show his abilities, remember that amazing goal at the u20 WC at NHS?

Mourinho knocked the flair out of Joe Cole and reduced him to a hard working box to box runner.

The amusing thing is that before Mourinho was appointed the big Utd forums all had poll ratings of 80% wanting him because trophies were more important than style, currently those big forums polls have all reversed that figure.

The worst thing for me is having to admit that Liverpool, City, Arsenal and Chelsea are more exciting to watch, actually virtually all other sides are more exciting to watch. 

Bring back the swashbuckling approach, trophies will follow. Strangling teams just kills everyone.

Completely agree on all counts.

The United forums are infuriating. During his tenure, I have allowed myself to get extremely hopeful regarding Mourinho, but I'm happy to say that before we signed him I was dead set against it. I think we need a United manager more than anything else. But you mention names like Nicki Butt and a certain section of United fans laugh you out the door. Even though Butt has a very similar (but not exact) career trajectory as the likes of Pep did.

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20 Legend wrote:

ColeWorld wrote:

20 Legend wrote:

And just for a little bit of salt - Shaqiri's goals were extremely lucky deflections. And the guy runs and celebrates like he's just hit a 35 yard screamer.

Haha get over yourself. He scored the winner in his first time playing in arguably Englands biggest rivalry, at home in front of the Kop. You expect him to not celebrate??

Oh yeah I forgot that Lingard didnt celebrate his extremely fortuitous goal...

You guys got absolutely dominated and should be happy in the end that there was only 2 goals in it 

To be honest mate you smashed about 25 long rate efforts then managed to sneak in 2 extremely lucky deflections. No doubt who the better team was but could have happily been 1-1 with your classic Liverpool choke!

Your taking the piss if you think we didnt deserve to win that... The deflections came as a result of dominance. You also talk about lucky goals yet dont acknowledge that you were still in the game as a result of a lucky, uncharacteristic error from us.

If we had not won that game it would have been astonishing. Even Jose knew we were far, far too good. Not like him to openly single out and praise the opposition

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"uncharacteristic error"???

I would say those types of errors are absolutely characteristic of this Liverpool side. It doesn't all disappear in less than half a season... 

Alisson has made several howlers, and already had a reputation for the odd one when you signed him. Now Lovren is back in the side with Gomez and Matip being injured and we know what he can do... I don't think basic errors are a thing of the past just yet... even if the defence is looking much-improved so far this season. 

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Leggy wrote:

paulm wrote:

Not all doom and gloom guys, at least there's this. 

Leggy wrote:

Considering everything, at least we have not been beaten at home in the league by Arsenal  for 10 years plus.

You are all mouth and trousers.

Pretty good for someone with a low IQ whose knowledge fits on a postage stamp eh!

Love you too bro. 

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paulm wrote:

"uncharacteristic error"???

I would say those types of errors are absolutely characteristic of this Liverpool side. It doesn't all disappear in less than half a season... 

Alisson has made several howlers, and already had a reputation for the odd one when you signed him. Now Lovren is back in the side with Gomez and Matip being injured and we know what he can do... I don't think basic errors are a thing of the past just yet... even if the defence is looking much-improved so far this season. 

Whoa whoa steady on, didn't you read the latest edition of the Liverpool news - Alisson is the best keeper in the world now

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Give it Keane. Why not?

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paulm wrote:

"uncharacteristic error"???

I would say those types of errors are absolutely characteristic of this Liverpool side. It doesn't all disappear in less than half a season... 

Alisson has made several howlers, and already had a reputation for the odd one when you signed him. Now Lovren is back in the side with Gomez and Matip being injured and we know what he can do... I don't think basic errors are a thing of the past just yet... even if the defence is looking much-improved so far this season. 

With Mignolet and Karius in goal we were often prone to keeper errors, this is the 2nd error leading to a goal of Alissons since he joined the club - i consider it uncharacteristic. We have conceded 7 goals in 17 games this season, the defence is the best in the league atm. 

Regardless, United were made to look seriously average on the weekend and your lot dropped points to Southampton?? Happy times

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MOURINHO GONE!!! HUGE!

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Massive. Can't say an massive feeling that I might enjoy football again has come over me!

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ColeWorld wrote:

paulm wrote:

"uncharacteristic error"???

I would say those types of errors are absolutely characteristic of this Liverpool side. It doesn't all disappear in less than half a season... 

Alisson has made several howlers, and already had a reputation for the odd one when you signed him. Now Lovren is back in the side with Gomez and Matip being injured and we know what he can do... I don't think basic errors are a thing of the past just yet... even if the defence is looking much-improved so far this season. 

With Mignolet and Karius in goal we were often prone to keeper errors, this is the 2nd error leading to a goal of Alissons since he joined the club - i consider it uncharacteristic. We have concenoded 7 goals in 17 games this season, the defence is the best in the league atm. 

Regardless, United were made to look seriously average on the weekend and your lot dropped points to Southampton?? Happy times

2 errors leading to goals in 4 months is a lot for a keeper who is supposed to be good, and im sure there have been more errors than that. Its a similar error rate to your previous keepers.  The reason its not an issue is because your defence has improved, as i pointed out.

And yes manU look bad and we lost to soton. Not sure what your point is - that liverpool are better at the moment? I dont think anyone is disputing that. I'll just assume it was a misguided attempt at trying to add emphasis to your argument.

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Mourinho gone in the exact same timeframe as he was at Chelsea, this time spent more money and didnt win a league,  got paid 24m in compensation too. I would laugh but now you guys will probably get good.

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I think its incredibly important to give it to someone who knows the club. I wouldn't have Zidane. I'd be happy with any of Blanc, Keane and Solskjaer and wouldn't be a dumb move to try and get Phelan or Meulensteen back in as assistant with whoever is appointed. These footballers aren't bad players. They need to be given the confidence and freedom to just get out there and play with width and flair, the United way. That's why I reckon we give it to someone who knows the club.

If you're looking for an "outside man" the only realistic and proven candidate seems to be Pochettino who I think would be a good choice if we do go that way. 

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The only words he's said so far - "Be careful"

As much as I hated his style of football, I think this was in turn driven by a severe lack of support from the club. Ed Woodward has overseen the hiring of three coaches now, none of which have fit Uniteds philosophy. The board failed to support his transfer wishes.

Would it hurt instead of having Woodward hire the next coach, to bring in a host of ex United players to make the decision? Guys that have lived and breathed it? Giggsy, Scholes, Nev, Butts, Bruce, Keane, Ferdinand, Cantona etc etc.

I don't want them to rush this process, but they need to get somebody on board and then throw massive support behind them in the next transfer window.

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ChopperNZ wrote:

The only words he's said so far - "Be careful"

As much as I hated his style of football, I think this was in turn driven by a severe lack of support from the club. Ed Woodward has overseen the hiring of three coaches now, none of which have fit Uniteds philosophy. The board failed to support his transfer wishes.

Would it hurt instead of having Woodward hire the next coach, to bring in a host of ex United players to make the decision? Guys that have lived and breathed it? Giggsy, Scholes, Nev, Butts, Bruce, Keane, Ferdinand, Cantona etc etc.

I don't want them to rush this process, but they need to get somebody on board and then throw massive support behind them in the next transfer window.

I suppose that's why they've got Ferguson and Charlton (and although not a player, David Gill) on the board so they can be involved in these sort of decisions. Hasn't worked so far, but this time we need to get it right.

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Don't say we didn't warn you.

Fourth time's a charm for Ed with Poch, perhaps?

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I don't buy the argument that Ed Woodward can be held solely responsible for footballing decisions at the club. I think that's naive to the amount of process that would be involved. As you've said Martial, yes Manchester United Limited is run by Ed with a board of Glazers, but Manchester United Football Club is headed by David Gill, SAF, Bobby Charlton, and Michael Edelson.

There is no way Ed Woodward is sitting down and solely pulling a manager out his arse.

I'd love to see someone like Nicki Butt get the job, because then I think you can get to the point where the managers come from within the club system. Which would really equalise the philosophy of the club. I think Barcelona are nearing this point.

But I'm not too fussed if it's external but the manager needs to suit the the club, fans, and players; not the other way round. Someone who believes in fast football. Someone who believes in throwing the kitchen sink at anything. Someone who doesn't give up . Someone who can remain classy in defeat and victory. But most importantly, someone who realises that Fellaini is not a footballer.

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Not exactly happy that Jose is gone, but I now have some (baseless) hope that someone will be able to come in and get everyone on the same path - that's all the way from the players to the board. We are in need of a clear out - too many mediocre people on and off the park.

Someone with United roots will clearly help with that but anyone just needs to be trusted and be trusting. Ole gets my vote and I hope he can have a long successful spell. 

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There's this bloke I know from France who could be available. Know's the EPL well and could come out of retirement to help you through. Has spent some time at Old Trafford too...

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Read some rumours that they were looking at Solsjkaer (sp) with Phelan as assistant, for the rest of this season, as an interim measure. 

From an outsider looking in I think that's a good way to go. Give him a crack, see if he can bring "the old united" back in 6/7 months, and if things go well give him another year. 

If it isn't really working out, then go all in for Pochettino in the off-season? 

Seems like a decent plan to me if true. 

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paulm wrote:

Read some rumours that they were looking at Solsjkaer (sp) with Phelan as assistant, for the rest of this season, as an interim measure. 

From an outsider looking in I think that's a good way to go. Give him a crack, see if he can bring "the old united" back in 6/7 months, and if things go well give him another year. 

If it isn't really working out, then go all in for Pochettino in the off-season? 

Seems like a decent plan to me if true. 

I'm a huge believer in getting a young (by management standards) ex-player (Keane/Ole/even Blanc) in with Phelan/Meulensteen to assist. We've had two highly technical foreign managers and all they've done is handcuffed our attacking talent and freedom. Let the lads play!

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