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over 8 years ago

Step 1 of keeping players morale with the constant rotation is bringing in and growing the right players in the first place. Ferguson talks about this extensively in his books and is probably why I question some fans who think we should throw money at anyone...

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over 8 years ago

If anyone is interested why Pogba is worth his price tag then you need only to watch last night's game.

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over 8 years ago

Pretty good result, team didn't play as well as expected but the work ethic and concentration was high quality. Southampton actually played really well and kept hold of the ball, but couldn't turn this into chances. 

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over 8 years ago

Was very impressed by Southampton, but its nice to be getting wins when we aren't on top of our game!

Valley FC til I die?

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over 8 years ago

Nelfoos wrote:

Was very impressed by Southampton, but its nice to be getting wins when we aren't on top of our game!

100% my thoughts.

If you are old and wise you were probably young and stupid

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over 8 years ago

Clinical away performance this morning, Martial was outstanding and United looked very solid and assured until about 5 mins to go. Depth showing too. Lets hope for more goals against Palace!

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over 8 years ago
Went to the Palace game, watched from the middle of the Stretford end. My first ever United game so I was pretty chuffed regardless of the result. Didn't think we played that well throughout, Palace obviously not a big test. Mkhi and Lukaku were fairly disappointing, probably off days for both. Need complete performance for the big games.

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over 8 years ago
And today I walked out onto OT = mind blown

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over 8 years ago

Awesome TL, very jealous. 

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over 8 years ago
Considering no one gets out there apart from players and ground staff I'm very lucky. The grounds manager Tony Sinclair is a top top bloke

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over 8 years ago

Awesome stuff Topleft.

I went through a similar experience visiting Arsenal for my first time in 2010 and it was an amazing experience. Feels a little bit surreal when you've been into it for so long, and then finally get the chance to visit. 

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over 8 years ago · edited over 8 years ago · History

TopLeft - how'd you pull it off???

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over 8 years ago
Long-ish story but if we're on here we have time..Saturday I went to the game, as stated first ever game, we got to Manchester Saturday morning so did the tour Sunday and (I'm an ex groundsman of Westpac/basin and Eden park- recent as of a month ago) I spoke to one of the tour guides about the turf and he suggested coming back Monday to find the groundsmen as they had Sunday off. The mrs and I were heading back to London about midday but we were going past so I thought I'd chance it and dropped by. I knew where to go and who the head groundsman was and basically bumped into him straight away. After about five minutes of turf chat he insisted on taking us for a walk around - I'm no longer overawed by big sports grounds but OT is another story - and at this stage I still wasn't getting my hopes up. OT has tours of 30 people every 10 minutes, that go for 70 minutes each all day, and you're told no one touches the grass, so I was fairly sure he wasn't going to walk us out there in front of five or six tour groups. Obviously he did and I had to hold my shark together and wear my turf hat and not my united fan boy hat. My mrs said we were out there for 45 minutes talking grass and everything OT/MU (and we were going to miss our flight so had leave) but it seemed to fly by. Anyway, Tony gave me his card and said come back for a game and help them out, which is incredible but also said he'd put out some feelers for jobs in Holland which is where I'm heading eventually. Essentially, if this was purely a turf/professional experience it would be cool, but having supported this club via TV on the other side of the world for 25ish years it was completely mind blowing and I'm still pinching myself. I will try upload photos at some point - posting this via the app.

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over 8 years ago

TopLeft that is so awesome, good on you for winging it man! 

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over 8 years ago

brumbys wrote:

TopLeft that is so awesome, good on you for winging it man! 

Cheers mate! There is a lot to be said for throwing caution into the wind etc but it helps him and I speak the same language!

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over 8 years ago

Unreal!

You know we belong together...

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over 8 years ago

At any stage did you think of a cheeky knee slide towards the Stretford End?

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over 8 years ago

Are those grow lamps???

So that's why United are cash rich!

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over 8 years ago

TopLeft07 wrote:
Long-ish story but if we're on here we have time..Saturday I went to the game, as stated first ever game, we got to Manchester Saturday morning so did the tour Sunday and (I'm an ex groundsman of Westpac/basin and Eden park- recent as of a month ago) I spoke to one of the tour guides about the turf and he suggested coming back Monday to find the groundsmen as they had Sunday off. The mrs and I were heading back to London about midday but we were going past so I thought I'd chance it and dropped by. I knew where to go and who the head groundsman was and basically bumped into him straight away. After about five minutes of turf chat he insisted on taking us for a walk around - I'm no longer overawed by big sports grounds but OT is another story - and at this stage I still wasn't getting my hopes up. OT has tours of 30 people every 10 minutes, that go for 70 minutes each all day, and you're told no one touches the grass, so I was fairly sure he wasn't going to walk us out there in front of five or six tour groups. Obviously he did and I had to hold my shark together and wear my turf hat and not my united fan boy hat. My mrs said we were out there for 45 minutes talking grass and everything OT/MU (and we were going to miss our flight so had leave) but it seemed to fly by. Anyway, Tony gave me his card and said come back for a game and help them out, which is incredible but also said he'd put out some feelers for jobs in Holland which is where I'm heading eventually. Essentially, if this was purely a turf/professional experience it would be cool, but having supported this club via TV on the other side of the world for 25ish years it was completely mind blowing and I'm still pinching myself.

I will try upload photos at some point - posting this via the app.

Amazing mate. Well done.

a.haak

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over 8 years ago

That's f*cken awesome topleft, amazing stuff

Good on you man, and I hope his holland feelers turn up something!

What a place to move to btw, holland is great

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over 8 years ago

paulm wrote:

That's f*cken awesome topleft, amazing stuff

Good on you man, and I hope his holland feelers turn up something!

What a place to move to btw, holland is great

Know what you mean, but it actually the Netherlands. 

If you are old and wise you were probably young and stupid

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over 8 years ago

I'm glad you know what I mean.

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over 8 years ago · edited over 8 years ago · History

TopLeft that's amazing man - amazing what can happen if you just be friendly with people!

Photos are sick. Wow. Speechless.

Something to really throw at someone when you're next accused of "never even gone to Old Trafford"

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over 8 years ago

liberty_nz wrote:

At any stage did you think of a cheeky knee slide towards the Stretford End?

Haha na like I said I was wearing my turf hat - we hate those knee slides! 

Yeah growth lights, most big stadiums have them now. OT has enough to just about cover the whole pitch.

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over 8 years ago

paulm wrote:

That's f*cken awesome topleft, amazing stuff

Good on you man, and I hope his holland feelers turn up something!

What a place to move to btw, holland is great

Cheers! Yeah so I’ve heard. Chose Holland as an alternative to London where most people I know do their OE’s. 

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over 8 years ago

Leggy wrote:

paulm wrote:

That's f*cken awesome topleft, amazing stuff

Good on you man, and I hope his holland feelers turn up something!

What a place to move to btw, holland is great

Know what you mean, but it actually the Netherlands. 

Technically you are correct Leggy but not all Dutch people call it the Netherlands. For example my Oma and Opa more often than not called it Holland. I’m not exactly sure why, whether it was because they thought people here knew it as Holland or they just preferred it but that’s why I call it Holland sometimes. 

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over 8 years ago

20 Legend wrote:

TopLeft that's amazing man - amazing what can happen if you just be friendly with people!

Photos are sick. Wow. Speechless.

Something to really throw at someone when you're next accused of "never even gone to Old Trafford"

Yeah generally there’s a mutual respect in the turf industry, of course there are always arseholes but I was stoked with how nice Tony was considering the job he’s in. He actually talked to us quite a bit about manners and respect and which players/managers were/are really good or really bad in that respect. 

I’ve never really understood why people say if you haven’t been to your clubs ground that you aren’t a fan. That’s complete bollocks IMO. How many kids in NZ haven’t and probably never will go to an all blacks game despite idolising the all blacks their whole life? I know you were just saying that because it’s pretty cool that I got to do that but I’m no different to fans from anywhere just fortunate. At the same time I don’t quite put myself in the same category as the people who haven’t missed a game for 20 years etc but there’s no rules to being a fan. 

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over 8 years ago

TopLeft07 wrote:

Leggy wrote:

paulm wrote:

That's f*cken awesome topleft, amazing stuff

Good on you man, and I hope his holland feelers turn up something!

What a place to move to btw, holland is great

Know what you mean, but it actually the Netherlands. 

Technically you are correct Leggy but not all Dutch people call it the Netherlands. For example my Oma and Opa more often than not called it Holland. I’m not exactly sure why, whether it was because they thought people here knew it as Holland or they just preferred it but that’s why I call it Holland sometimes. 

My family are dutch as well, all from Limburg in the south, and they all call it Holland generally. I used to say the Netherlands but after spending time with them I found myself saying Holland more often than not. 

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over 8 years ago

TopLeft07 wrote:

20 Legend wrote:

TopLeft that's amazing man - amazing what can happen if you just be friendly with people!

Photos are sick. Wow. Speechless.

Something to really throw at someone when you're next accused of "never even gone to Old Trafford"

Yeah generally there’s a mutual respect in the turf industry, of course there are always arseholes but I was stoked with how nice Tony was considering the job he’s in. He actually talked to us quite a bit about manners and respect and which players/managers were/are really good or really bad in that respect. 

I’ve never really understood why people say if you haven’t been to your clubs ground that you aren’t a fan. That’s complete bollocks IMO. How many kids in NZ haven’t and probably never will go to an all blacks game despite idolising the all blacks their whole life? I know you were just saying that because it’s pretty cool that I got to do that but I’m no different to fans from anywhere just fortunate. At the same time I don’t quite put myself in the same category as the people who haven’t missed a game for 20 years etc but there’s no rules to being a fan. 

Yea I hate getting into all that crap but there's something to be said for following your team for years and years from the other side of the globe, and getting up at all hours to watch the games. It's actually more difficult to do that than physically go to games in your own city in my opinion. It's just a different type of fandom with different sacrifices - less financial, more detrimental to sleep/wellbeing etc. Although the internet age with on-demand tv, and easy recording on tv boxes etc has made things more accessible for us now. 

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over 8 years ago

Awesome stuff dude. I was lucky enough to go to OT twice when we were living in the UK 13/14. Two special games, the first was SAFs last ever home game where we were also presented the EPL trophy for winning the league!! Second was Champions League against Bayern Munich. Sitting there and hearing the Champions League music play is something else.

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over 8 years ago

ChopperNZ wrote:

Awesome stuff dude. I was lucky enough to go to OT twice when we were living in the UK 13/14. Two special games, the first was SAFs last ever home game where we were also presented the EPL trophy for winning the league!! Second was Champions League against Bayern Munich. Sitting there and hearing the Champions League music play is something else.

See even with my experience I’m jealous of yours now haha those games would have been incredible...hopefully I’ll get to see some really great moments like that too. I know for sure I’ll be back there

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over 8 years ago

paulm wrote:

TopLeft07 wrote:

20 Legend wrote:

TopLeft that's amazing man - amazing what can happen if you just be friendly with people!

Photos are sick. Wow. Speechless.

Something to really throw at someone when you're next accused of "never even gone to Old Trafford"

Yeah generally there’s a mutual respect in the turf industry, of course there are always arseholes but I was stoked with how nice Tony was considering the job he’s in. He actually talked to us quite a bit about manners and respect and which players/managers were/are really good or really bad in that respect. 

I’ve never really understood why people say if you haven’t been to your clubs ground that you aren’t a fan. That’s complete bollocks IMO. How many kids in NZ haven’t and probably never will go to an all blacks game despite idolising the all blacks their whole life? I know you were just saying that because it’s pretty cool that I got to do that but I’m no different to fans from anywhere just fortunate. At the same time I don’t quite put myself in the same category as the people who haven’t missed a game for 20 years etc but there’s no rules to being a fan. 

Yea I hate getting into all that crap but there's something to be said for following your team for years and years from the other side of the globe, and getting up at all hours to watch the games. It's actually more difficult to do that than physically go to games in your own city in my opinion. It's just a different type of fandom with different sacrifices - less financial, more detrimental to sleep/wellbeing etc. Although the internet age with on-demand tv, and easy recording on tv boxes etc has made things more accessible for us now. 

Absolutely agree with that. For me the weirdest thing was the combination of finding myself in that position of tragic fan completely over awed and just walking on a sports ground talking to another turf professional. Hard to explain but had to kind of enjoy it later. Anyway I’ve done this to death. Thanks for all the comments, I shared it here knowing football fans regardless of allegiance would understand the (kind-of) strange nature and enormity of my experience. 

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over 8 years ago

ChopperNZ wrote:

Awesome stuff dude. I was lucky enough to go to OT twice when we were living in the UK 13/14. Two special games, the first was SAFs last ever home game where we were also presented the EPL trophy for winning the league!! Second was Champions League against Bayern Munich. Sitting there and hearing the Champions League music play is something else.

So lucky. When you're going for these one off visits it feels a little bit unfair. I went for 2 Arsenal games and was so f*cken excited, then i got in there and it kind of dawns on you that this is just standard for the locals, and the team themselves, and there aint gonna be no special performance just for me today! I saw a 1-0 win and a 1-0 loss. Very un-arsenal to score just the one goal across two games... and Alex Song the scorer of all people... obviously don't regret it one bit but for goodness sake I coulda been a bit luckier with the fixtures eh!

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over 8 years ago

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over 8 years ago

I think we'll line up against the Scouse like so

De Gea

Valencia Bailly Jones Blind

Matic Herrera

Mkhitaryan

Mata Lukaku Martial

With Herrera being deployed as an attack dog on Coutinho when on defence. I predict a 2-1 win to us, with maybe a third snatched in the dying minutes of the game.

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over 8 years ago

To all the guys that rubbished me about City last week. Still think the same.

We were as bad as one can get last night. It was embarrassing.Not one player would have scored a 5 on that performance.How Darmian can sleep at night collecting his wages is a joke. He would not make any A league side.

If you are old and wise you were probably young and stupid

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over 8 years ago · edited over 8 years ago · History

Leggy wrote:

To all the guys that rubbished me about City last week. Still think the same.

We were as bad as one can get last night. It was embarrassing.Not one player would have scored a 5 on that performance.How Darmian can sleep at night collecting his wages is a joke. He would not make any A league side.

Not even De Gea? God I hope we don't lose him anytime soon. Thought Jones put in a solid shift as well.

Agree with everything else. Part of me knew that Mourinho would play like that, but I was hoping for something different. 

The way we just sat deep, especially at the start of that second half was abhorrent, often 8-9 players behind the ball and when possession was won it was hoofed straight back to them. 

The worst thing from the game though is it made us look like we were afraid. Afraid to play in case we're shown up or we lose. 

I don't mind losing if we go out and give it a go, however after that performance I would have been raging, no question about it we deserved to lose last night. I hope this is not the precedent we follow when we play City, Chelsea, Spurs in the very near future.

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over 8 years ago

But we all knew this when Mourinho got the job, right?

While I don't mean to lessen how bollocks we were - to be fair to Mourinho, if Lukaku buries his chance he'd be hailed as a genius.

But you've put it spot on. Looked afraid. I'll give the benefit of the doubt since we were away. But if we play like that at home I will be fuming.

And again to be fair to Mourinho, all will be forgotten if he delivers the silverware!

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over 8 years ago

YoungHeart wrote:

Leggy wrote:

To all the guys that rubbished me about City last week. Still think the same.

We were as bad as one can get last night. It was embarrassing.Not one player would have scored a 5 on that performance.How Darmian can sleep at night collecting his wages is a joke. He would not make any A league side.

Not even De Gea? God I hope we don't lose him anytime soon. Thought Jones put in a solid shift as well.

Agree with everything else. Part of me knew that Mourinho would play like that, but I was hoping for something different. 

The way we just sat deep, especially at the start of that second half was abhorrent, often 8-9 players on the ball and when possession was won it was hoofed straight back to them. 

The worst thing from the game though is it made us look like we were afraid. Afraid to play in case we're shown up or we lose. 

I don't mind losing if we go out and give it a go, however after that performance I would have been raging, no question about it we deserved to lose last night. I hope this is not the precedent we follow when we play City, Chelsea, Spurs in the very near future.

Do agree with you about De Gea and Jones but I was so angry watching that game that I lumped them all together.

Have just watched the game again and it does not get any better, They all seemed far too slow and tackled like girls. Young , Luk,Martial, 

and Mkhitaryan were woeful. 

If you are old and wise you were probably young and stupid

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