Referee Blunders ( support needed)

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Referee Blunders ( support needed)
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Of late we have seen some rather extrodinary calls coming from referees not all their own fault some helped by carzy lines men , I know across the board the referees have the final say I have no problem about that that is why we love this game so much.                                                      As a player is held accountable for actions why not give extra tools to referees to make them also accountable .I know they get reviewed after a game using tv coverage which is about 40 camera angles maybe and then get punished or whatever they missed this is also done by the managers unauthorised of course ???  the referee has 2 eyes and when they miss something the world goes nuts as one of the 40 cameras picked it up.                                                                Lets use the technology avaliable as the referees have started to use with the mics and radio gear etc. On 1 ear they have a mic why not put a camera on the other so we after a match we can review the big calls and actually see what the ref has seen then they could be held accountable and the refs would be able to show that in some instances they did not see the incident and in others how could they tell if there was contact or not , and also justfy other calls like yellow and red cards. At the end of the day what I am putting out there is lets get technology what shows us what the ref sees this would stop so much of the blaim game aimed at refs.
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similar issues with Ruigby refs, apparently as of next year the NZRFU is allowing refs to front the media to explain their decisions. I reckon football should follow suit! Maybe not straight after the game but after they've had a chance to review the game on video.

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It kind of happens now. Teams can have red cards overturned etc. Another example is the ref from the Man U v Bolton game admitting that he cocked up by giving the Man U penalty and is apologising to Bolton. I know it doesn't actually change anything but at least he's admitted he was wrong.
 
Refs have been getting it wrong (apart from me!) for 100 years, it's part of the fun.

Apparently I'm apathetic, but I couldn't care less.

"Being a Partick Thistle fan sets you apart. It means youre a free thinker. It also means your team has no money." Tim Luckhurst, The Independent, 4th December 2003

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Jag wrote:
It kind of happens now. Teams can have red cards overturned etc. Another example is the ref from the Man U v Bolton game admitting that he cocked up by giving the Man U penalty and is apologising to Bolton. I know it doesn't actually change anything but at least he's admitted he was wrong.
 
Refs have been getting it wrong (apart from me!) for 100 years, it's part of the fun.


Retrospectively penalising 'simulators' would be a good start


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Hi Jag  He got it wrong and admitted it after seeing it on TV footage but what did he see , what he saw was a foul ( otherwise he wouldnt blow the whistle ) and that is what I am getting at if we had the ability to see what he saw at the time of the incident from his angle from his view point we may have all made thew same call if we had that avaliable he may not have had to apologize.
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Also see there was a bad penalty call in the Wigan v Man City game!

Not a good weekend for the referees it must be said.
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cam-bwfc wrote:
Also see there was a bad penalty call in the Wigan v Man City game!

Not a good weekend for the referees it must be said.

Actually, just saw the highlights again this morning and I think that was a foul. Yes, he made a complete meal of it and should be nominated for a razzie for his bad acting but there was contact so penalty was valid IMO.


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TKU WOT wrote:
Hi Jag  He got it wrong and admitted it after seeing it on TV footage but what did he see , what he saw was a foul ( otherwise he wouldnt blow the whistle ) and that is what I am getting at if we had the ability to see what he saw at the time of the incident from his angle from his view point we may have all made thew same call if we had that avaliable he may not have had to apologize.
 
Yeah but, as you've said, if a referee calls it as a foul then he's seen it as a foul. So why can't players and supporters just accept that?  Why does he need all sorts of cameras on his head to support him. All that will do is have everybody screaming about how the ref was in the wrong position!  
 
I don't need any more camera angles to convince me that I can see how the referee could have given that penalty to Manure on Staurday.
 
 
I's an interesting thought but, being an old dinosaur, I'm for leaving things the way they are.

Apparently I'm apathetic, but I couldn't care less.

"Being a Partick Thistle fan sets you apart. It means youre a free thinker. It also means your team has no money." Tim Luckhurst, The Independent, 4th December 2003

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Because a game is supposed to last 90mins not 3hrs like NFL.

What really gets my goat about NRL is what kind of example does it send to up and coming RL refs.

Work hard, train hard, do hundreds of youth and regional league games, get to the top of your game, and as long as can make a box shape with your fingers - your sorted to make it in the NRL.

When Hibs, went up, to win the Scottish Cup - I wisnae there - furfuxake!

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SurgeQld wrote:
Jag wrote:
It kind of happens now. Teams can have red cards overturned etc. Another example is the ref from the Man U v Bolton game admitting that he cocked up by giving the Man U penalty and is apologising to Bolton. I know it doesn't actually change anything but at least he's admitted he was wrong.
 
Refs have been getting it wrong (apart from me!) for 100 years, it's part of the fun.


Retrospectively penalising 'simulators' would be a good start


 
Agreed. I have been saying this for a long time. The best thing to do would be to have analysts review each match after it is played and make recommendations for the punishment of diving offences - much like the 'dubious goals committee' or whatever it is called. If diving is eradicated then 90% of this problem would be solved. A referee can then begin to trust that the player has not gone down intentionally and therefore make a logical decision.
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I'd really worry if opportunities to abuse a ref from the stands were reduced because of technology.

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To be honest, I'm sick and tired of these calls to use more technology. My experience of sports that do use in-game video technology to make decisions is that they quite often still don't get them right, or the evidence itself is inconclusive. The chances are football's experience would be similar, so what's the point? Leave the refs alone to make their decisions and accept the mistakes they make since they always have and always will. No-one's perfect, that's how it is. Tough luck.el grapadura2008-10-01 22:58:25
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100% with you El G. 
 
There is a certain naivety to think that technology will solve prolblems relating to poor refereeing decisions.  In Rugby & League now you hear of teams getting badly treated by the TMO.  However, given the number of 'blind' positions that refs can find themselves in in Rugby, and the stop-start nature of the game, then maybe there is some merit in video replay.  But for just about every try to be confirmed. Oh dear.
 
Football has far too much flow for replays, Referee calls are just part of the rub of the green - like the crossbar, an opportune gust of wind, the ball hitting a divot prior to being struck, whatever - luck does play a part and that's OK.
 
Keep it simple!

I know, I know, its serious!

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football cannot use technology, as even with the advantage of video replays it is not always possible for everyone to agree on a decison (see the Man City vs Wigan as an example).
 
We cannot have refs front up to the media and apologise for mistakes they made, as a precedent has been set in the northern monkey scum vs West Ham situation that a arbitrary committee can look back on a situation and decide exactly what would have happened in a parallel univerise.  Now if Bolton get relegated by one point, they can ask the committee to see if they would have got that point at Old Trafford if such a bad decision had not been made, and then sue the ref.

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League had to introduce the benefit of the doubt call because the decision isn't always obvious. 

Normo's coming home

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i think retrospective punishment is setting a bad precedent and would open a whole can of worms you just don't need.

 
random point: i hate how in league the TMO can't rule on a forward pass, anyone know the logic behind that?
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If you read the opening comment by myself I am not asking for technology to be introduced into the game to make decisions during a game ( I am sorry if it reads that way ) I am putting forward the concept of a ref cam for after match analysys to back up refs and their calls , this is not a change the game lets look at the replay reply mode but a what did you see camera ? The game stays the same no stop the play make a box with you hands video ref . ( That would never work )
How would you know if the ref didnt give a call because he was obstruted by 4 players ? You dont do you  ? you have to assume from the TV Angles and everyone has there own point of view but none have the view from the refs eyes .  
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Yes, but then you'll get people complaining why the ref didn't get himself into a better position from which he could have made the 'correct' call. It would still leave refs open to criticism, but just change the focus of it perhaps.
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I think it would make a great TV Camera angle though, not so much to helps refs but would be a cool angle/position to watch the game from.
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