THAT tackle

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THAT tackle
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what do you think of taylors tackle on Eduardo?? Malicious? or just a lazy tackle?
















some other broken leg pics (i think some of them must be photoshop).....


Kieron Dyer is tackled by Joe Jacobsen on 28th August 2007






Manchester United's Wes Brown (L) supports team mate Alan Smith after he suffered an injury during the FA Cup fifth round match against Liverpool at Anfield, Liverpool, Saturday February 18, 2006. Smith was carried off on a stretcher after several minutes' treatment.

(he stuck his leg in the way of a riise thunderbolt)






nternational Football.France v China. Djibril Cisse breaks his right leg in two places to rule him out of the World Cup. 7th June 2006







HENRIK LARSSON breaks his leg during challenge by Serge Blanc



Villa's Luca Nilis breaks his leg as he clashes with Ipswich's Richard Wright
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oooh, that just about cost me my dinner
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The Cisse one was the worst ever break I've seen in photos and on vid.
 
The smirk on Taylor's face makes me think it was deliberate.
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Taylor went in high, studs up and late, then smirked after the incident. Taylor gets a 3 match ban, Eduardo potentially won't play again.

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i just saw all of it again on the highlights show and taylor doesnt look sorry at all, he infact looked a little bit pleased with himself.
 
i hope some angry croatian/gunner finds taylor in a dark alley...
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that cisse one is so yuck
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I�d hate to think what would happen to Taylor if some organised gang from Croatia stands to lose money with Eduardo not playing at EURO 2008...
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francsernal wrote:
i just saw all of it again on the highlights show and taylor doesnt look sorry at all, he infact looked a little bit pleased with himself.
 
i hope some angry croatian/gunner finds taylor in a dark alley...
 
Hmmmm or perhaps we could take the opinion of Taylor himself who is reported as being 'mentally shattered' and 'distraught' by inflicting this injury on Eduardo.
 
 
Match of the Day highlights have a much more balanced appraisal of this tackle than that being espoused by certain delcared Arsenal supporters here on YF:
 
 
As for the apparent 'smirk' or 'not looking sorry', well is anyone surprised? At the time immediately post this tackle, Taylor has no idea of the consequence for Eduardo yet, it's not until much after that he realises how serious it is.
 
I'm willing to bet that most football fans are glad, at a certain level, when a player from their opposing team is injured on the field. After all francsernal, it was you who posted on the 5th of Feb that you were Glad that both Kaka and Pato were injured :
 
 
. . . . so what gives?  ?   ? Lets have a little less speculation and whinging from some quarters.
 
I think the tackle is clumsy, but not intentionally malicious.
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phil_style wrote:
francsernal wrote:
i just saw all of it again on the highlights show and taylor doesnt look sorry at all, he infact looked a little bit pleased with himself.
 
i hope some angry croatian/gunner finds taylor in a dark alley...
 
I'm willing to bet that most football fans are glad, at a certain level, when a player from their opposing team is injured on the field. After all francsernal, it was you who posted on the 5th of Feb that you were Glad that both Kaka and Pato were injured :
 
 
I think the tackle is clumsy, but not intentionally malicious.
look at the photo i posted on arsenal forum and tell me if that is just clumsy.
 
also, i was glad kaka and pato were injured because they had small injuries and they were playing arsenal 2 weeks later, they didnt damn near lose their foot because some gangly guy decided to jump on their leg that could've quite possibly been career ending.
 
if kaka or pato had had that happen then no one would enjoy that, for example only good things were said about ronaldo who also plays for milan and missed the arsenal game because he had a serious injury.
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phil_style wrote:
Hmmmm or perhaps we could take the opinion of Taylor himself who is reported as being 'mentally shattered' and 'distraught' by inflicting this injury on Eduardo.
 
 
yeah - poor bastard.  I feel really sorry for him that the cheating foreigner messed up his studs with his ankle.
 
BTW, I am not a Arsenal supporter, but I think that it is wrong that so many people are talking about how we should feel bad for Taylor.

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phil_style wrote:
francsernal wrote:
i just saw all of it again on the highlights show and taylor doesnt look sorry at all, he infact looked a little bit pleased with himself.
 
i hope some angry croatian/gunner finds taylor in a dark alley...
 
Hmmmm or perhaps we could take the opinion of Taylor himself who is reported as being 'mentally shattered' and 'distraught' by inflicting this injury on Eduardo.
 
 
Match of the Day highlights have a much more balanced appraisal of this tackle than that being espoused by certain delcared Arsenal supporters here on YF:
 
 
As for the apparent 'smirk' or 'not looking sorry', well is anyone surprised? At the time immediately post this tackle, Taylor has no idea of the consequence for Eduardo yet, it's not until much after that he realises how serious it is.
 
I'm willing to bet that most football fans are glad, at a certain level, when a player from their opposing team is injured on the field. After all francsernal, it was you who posted on the 5th of Feb that you were Glad that both Kaka and Pato were injured :
 
 
. . . . so what gives?  ?   ? Lets have a little less speculation and whinging from some quarters.
 
I think the tackle is clumsy, but not intentionally malicious.
 
There is no way that tackle is just clumsy.Regardless of how Taylor feels,there was definitely intent to 'put his foot in'.It was a shocking tackle and 3 games suspension would be an embarrasment.
 
We have been glad that those players(above) are injured only because they would miss playing against us and are not in the slightest bit the same league as Eduardos injury.
 
Some of the comments around are ridiculous,
Stephen Kelly-"

It was harsh Tiny (Taylor) being sent off. Tiny has gone in and it wasn�t a malicious tackle and the reason the ref has sent him off is because he has seen Eduardo has broken his leg. I don�t think you can send a player off for that"

Idiot.
 
Eduardo is one of the nice guys around,wouldnt hurt a fly and runs his socks off for the team,United in the Cup being a recent example of one of the only few.
 
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The tackle was intentional. The extent of the damage wasnt. I do feel sorry for Taylor, its the kind of tackle that happens in nearly every game at some point. Defenders always like to let strikers know they are around with these sorts of tackles. I just think that maybe this should illustrate the need to be less tolerant of intentional fouls (regardless of the extent of the injury) I think Arsenals Eboue is a culprit of these sorts of tackles. I hope he will look at this and think twice about some of those lunges he makes.
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Eduardos fault for having girly ankles...

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Thanks UberGunner for some reasoned thinking here.  This is an interesting debate.  Lot of self righteous comments. But how many of us who have played the game can honestly say there haven't been times when we've left a foot in or deliberately gone in a bit high?  I know I did.  Did I ever try to break someone's leg?  Of course not.  I've seen people break legs on the most innocuous challenges and walk away from tackles that should have cut them in half.  It's all just very unfortunate and these things happen.
 
The photo looks shocking.  But from what I saw on You Tube it didn't look too different from what we see every week. 
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agreed UberG's post does make a refreshing change from the 'tabloid-style' thinking that we all seem to get into from time to time
 
 
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There is no way that tackle wasn't intentional - I highly doubt the intent was to break eduardo's leg, certainly to injure him! Speaking from a defenders point of view, if I'm playing against a player I know is going to beat me more often than not, I want to do something to slow him doen, bump enough to bruise, but not maim! Seriously, two footed tackles that dont get any ball, should receive red card, and bans! Without exception.

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Where are his shin pads?
 
 
 
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Hes gone in 1 footed, trying to get the ball, he's obviously mis-timed it and its unfortunate that Eduardo's leg was in the position it was when Taylor connected. Theres no malicious intent in it, he's responded to Eduardo's poor first touch.

Feel sorry for Eduardo, but also for Taylor as he gets criticism from biased 'personell' who refuse to look at the tackle for what it was, an attempt to get the ball.

These things happen in football. If Eduardo had not broken his leg, it is a yellow card. FACT
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Wolfben wrote:
Hes gone in 1 footed, trying to get the ball, he's obviously mis-timed it and its unfortunate that Eduardo's leg was in the position it was when Taylor connected. Theres no malicious intent in it, he's responded to Eduardo's poor first touch.

Feel sorry for Eduardo, but also for Taylor as he gets criticism from biased 'personell' who refuse to look at the tackle for what it was, an attempt to get the ball.

These things happen in football. If Eduardo had not broken his leg, it is a yellow card. FACT
 
 
how is that an attempt to get the ball?
you may not have noticed but the ball isnt anywhere near eduardos bloody knee...
 
i would accept the mistimed excuse if he had slid along the ground but that is quite violent. 
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Wolfben wrote:
Hes gone in 1 footed, trying to get the ball, he's obviously mis-timed it and its unfortunate that Eduardo's leg was in the position it was when Taylor connected. Theres no malicious intent in it, he's responded to Eduardo's poor first touch.

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It was Eduardo's poor touch that led to the broken leg?! LOL!

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Where are his shin pads?
 



Snapped by the force of the impact.

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Scottishbhoy wrote:
Where are his shin pads?
 

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Snapped by the force of the impact.
 
LOL.. was he even wearing any?

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Scottishbhoy wrote:
Where are his shin pads?
 
 
 
 
If it was any higher he'd need a cod piece....................it's sport not a ducking war.
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francsernal wrote:
Wolfben wrote:
Hes gone in 1 footed, trying to get the ball, he's obviously mis-timed it and its unfortunate that Eduardo's leg was in the position it was when Taylor connected. Theres no malicious intent in it, he's responded to Eduardo's poor first touch.

Feel sorry for Eduardo, but also for Taylor as he gets criticism from biased 'personell' who refuse to look at the tackle for what it was, an attempt to get the ball.

These things happen in football. If Eduardo had not broken his leg, it is a yellow card. FACT
 
 
how is that an attempt to get the ball?
you may not have noticed but the ball isnt anywhere near eduardos bloody knee...
 
i would accept the mistimed excuse if he had slid along the ground but that is quite violent. 
 
Sorry mate, but posting this photo is completely unconvincing, less than half a second previously the situation tells a completely different story. You're uasing Strawman tactics to argue from a tenuous position. See Ubergunner's post above if you want to have a reasonable discussion.
 
I've already posted a video link to the tackle on this thread. It's pretty obvious that Eduardo was simply too skillful for Taylor. The momentum of the original tackle is towards the ball, unfortunately, by the time the tackle is complete, there's a shin in the place where the ball was previously. These sprts of tackle's happen often, unfortunately for Eduardo, in this case the impact hit a weak point with the right amount of force to result in structural failure.
 
No I do not feel sorry for taylor. I think he deserved to be carded at least with a yellow, and perhaps a red was justified. I do however think he has been personally villified based not on the incident, but on the injury. Some of the comment about him being beaten up by Arsenal or Coratia fans on this thread are un-called for, and quite honestly, I think, immature.
 
As for other comments (from a different poster) that Eduardo is a "nice guy", how does that contribute?  . . . Ad hominum statements don't prove anything.
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Arsenal wrote:

It was Eduardo's poor touch that led to the broken leg?! LOL!


Did I say that? No. I said that was why Taylor went into the challenge, as he thought he could get the ball as Eduardo's first touch was poor.

Hence, he did not go in it to break his leg.


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Croatia Coach Billic doesn't seem to think that Taylor's intent was too bad. When asked by Stan Collymore asks what he thought of the tackle Billic says

"It was definately a bad tackle, be we are seeing this every week"
" I am convinced and I am sure that Martin Taylor is is the sportsman and he wanted to play the ball"
"I think the injury made the tackle bad"
"You see many things like that every week"
"I'm sure he didn't do it deliberately"
 
Surely if anyone (besides maybe Wenger)  has a vested interest in Eduardo then it is Billic.
 
Here's a link to the interview- - not sure if you can listen to it outside of the UK
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Mate, you gotta take Bilic�s views in the context - he�s looking to score a job in England, and all his statements relating to English football given to the British press have been very flowery and positive.

The feeling in Croatia is quite different, however - many of the players are openly stating that it was a malicious tackle from a thug, and there have been a lot of editorials and experts who have called on the likes of Modric, Rakitic and other young players who are looking to have a career in England to boycott the place. The tackle was the leading item on Croatian TV news over the weekend, and there�s a lot, and I mean a lot, ill-feeling towards both Taylor and the Premiership for allowing that kind of thing to happen.
I personally haven�t seen the tackle so have refrained from makin any comments about it, but speaking to my cousin in Zagreb there�s a lot of anger over there...el grapadura2008-02-27 04:11:49
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el grapadura wrote:
Mate, you gotta take Bilic�s views in the context - he�s looking to score a job in England, and all his statements relating to English football given to the British press have been very flowery and positive.

The feeling in Croatia is quite different, however - many of the players are openly stating that it was a malicious tackle from a thug, and there have been a lot of editorials and experts who have called on the likes of Modric, Rakitic and other young players who are looking to have a career in England to boycott the place. The tackle was the leading item on Croatian TV news over the weekend, and there�s a lot, and I mean a lot, ill-feeling towards both Taylor and the Premiership for allowing that kind of thing to happen.
I personally haven�t seen the tackle so have refrained from makin any comments about it, but speaking to my cousin in Zagreb there�s a lot of anger over there...
 
This is exactly my point. That a player is being villified and identified as a thug, and having death threats made against him for a tackle. (http://www.supersport.co.za/soccer/article.aspx?id=245769&headline=Arsenal%20expect%20Eduardo%20to%20recover%20this%20year%20 )
 
The reaction is far in extreeme of the event and is unwarranted. Also, how can it be claimed that the league (i.e. do they mean the FA? or the ref? or the clubs that make up the league? or the manager?)  'allowed' it to happen? What level of causation are we measuring in this case?
 
Bendtner has also come out and said he thinks the tackel was not maliciious: http://www.sportinglife.com/football/news/story_get.cgi?STORY_NAME=soccer/08/02/25/SOCCER_Arsenal_Nightlead.html
 
As for Croatian players apparently speaking out against the tackle I can only find this report (in English): http://www.sportinglife.com/story_get.cgi?STORY_NAME=soccer/08/02/24/SOCCER_Eduardo.html which quotes Kovac. I'd be interested to know if what the Croatian players are saying in the Croatian press. El grapadura, are you able to translate some for us (providing you speak Croatian, apologies if you don't)
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phil_style wrote:
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how is that an attempt to get the ball?
you may not have noticed but the ball isnt anywhere near eduardos bloody knee...
 
i would accept the mistimed excuse if he had slid along the ground but that is quite violent. 
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Sorry mate, but posting this photo is completely unconvincing, less than half a second previously the situation tells a completely different story. You're uasing Strawman tactics to argue from a tenuous position. See if Ubergunner's post above you want to have a reasonable discussion.
 
 
 
you're doing the exact same thing just from the other point of view!
being a tottenham fan you probably saw the injury or read about it and found it the best news you've had in a while.
if this had happened to berbatov for example i dont think you would have the same view.
 
anyways i think that all bias aside he was probably going for the ball at first, then eduardo did his little trick thing and taylor decided to leave his leg there so he didnt get embarrassed and completely skilled and to do a bit of that rough up the striker thing people have been talking about.
then he caught eduardo and didnt realise what he had done but was pretty happy with himself for stopping him and then when he realised what he had done he put his sad face on..
 
 
 
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phil_style wrote:
francsernal wrote:
Wolfben wrote:
Hes gone in 1 footed, trying to get the ball, he's obviously mis-timed it and its unfortunate that Eduardo's leg was in the position it was when Taylor connected. Theres no malicious intent in it, he's responded to Eduardo's poor first touch.

Feel sorry for Eduardo, but also for Taylor as he gets criticism from biased 'personell' who refuse to look at the tackle for what it was, an attempt to get the ball.

These things happen in football. If Eduardo had not broken his leg, it is a yellow card. FACT
 
 
how is that an attempt to get the ball?
you may not have noticed but the ball isnt anywhere near eduardos bloody knee...
 
i would accept the mistimed excuse if he had slid along the ground but that is quite violent. 
 
Sorry mate, but posting this photo is completely unconvincing, less than half a second previously the situation tells a completely different story. You're uasing Strawman tactics to argue from a tenuous position. See Ubergunner's post above if you want to have a reasonable discussion.
 
I've already posted a video link to the tackle on this thread. It's pretty obvious that Eduardo was simply too skillful for Taylor. The momentum of the original tackle is towards the ball, unfortunately, by the time the tackle is complete, there's a shin in the place where the ball was previously. These sprts of tackle's happen often, unfortunately for Eduardo, in this case the impact hit a weak point with the right amount of force to result in structural failure.
 
No I do not feel sorry for taylor. I think he deserved to be carded at least with a yellow, and perhaps a red was justified. I do however think he has been personally villified based not on the incident, but on the injury. Some of the comment about him being beaten up by Arsenal or Coratia fans on this thread are un-called for, and quite honestly, I think, immature.
 
As for other comments (from a different poster) that Eduardo is a "nice guy", how does that contribute?  . . . Ad hominum statements don't prove anything.
 
Mate,anyone that is calling the tackle an attempt to get the ball is f*cking stupid.I do not believe he meant to cause the damage that has been done but he didnt make an attempt to go for the ball,he left his foot in intentionally to take out the man.
 
How people can say if he hadnt been rolling around on the ground then it would have only been a yellow? After a tackle like that I would be suprised to see too many getting up off the ground quickly.
 
And for me, the reaction of other events surrounding the day - Wenger comments and Gallas reactions- as well as the defence of Taylor are extreme.
People are trying to turn it round into soemthing against the Arsenal.
The reaction of the incident itself is not at all extreme. If Fabregas or Gallas had done this to Lampard,Rooney,Terry then the reaction from that would have been ridiculous.
 
 
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I don't think anyone can accurately say what was going through Taylors head prior to the tackle but i guarantee everyone now has some idea what he is feeling now. I never believed the result of the tackle was intentional. If players "know" how to snap players legs at will, then why doesn't every team employ a couple of "thug" players to bring on against the likes of Man U, Liverpool and Arsenal. Under that hypothesis most teams would trade a fringe player being out for 3 games for removing a Rooney, Ronaldo or Torres for 9 months. The reason it doesn't happen like that goes some way to proving that this was a very unfortunate freak accident. Taylor averages only 1 yellow card per season, which is crazy rare for a central defender. Eduardo has forgiven Taylor, and Taylor went to see him in hospital. I think the best thing we could do is wish Eduardo a speedy recovery and go back to wishing the rest of the Arsenal and Birmingham teams a strong comeback from this incident.
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I would have thought a Tottenham supporter would be too happy from their first success in eons to go trolling an Arsenal injury thread. Sadly, it appears not. 

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Wolfben wrote:
Arsenal wrote:

It was Eduardo's poor touch that led to the broken leg?! LOL!


Did I say that? No. I said that was why Taylor went into the challenge, as he thought he could get the ball as Eduardo's first touch was poor.

 
It was a sh*t tackle and you know it. Regardless of whether he meant it or not it was a sh*t tackle. End of.

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Injury or not it was a horrible tackle.
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Arsenal wrote:
I would have thought a Tottenham supporter would be too happy from their first success in eons to go trolling an Arsenal injury thread. Sadly, it appears not. 
 
Typically the Yids come out after their success with a trophy everyone else wants to lose...
This is as good as it gets for them,its only going to go downhill fom here.
 
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Buffon II wrote:
Wolfben wrote:
Arsenal wrote:

It was Eduardo's poor touch that led to the broken leg?! LOL!


Did I say that? No. I said that was why Taylor went into the challenge, as he thought he could get the ball as Eduardo's first touch was poor.

 
It was a sh*t tackle and you know it. Regardless of whether he meant it or not it was a sh*t tackle. End of.


I didnt say it wasnt. Theres no debate that its a sh*t tackle, but people claiming he went in to break his leg are ridiculous, not even Robbie Savage goes in to do that.


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Give him an ice pack and a couple of Voltaren and tell him to "Harden the f&*k up".
Seriously though, poor tackle, not intent to mame in my opinion, unfortunate result for Eduardo. Move on and get bck to work.

Its no longer a problem.

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el grapadura wrote:
Mate, you gotta take Bilic�s views in the context - he�s looking to score a job in England, and all his statements relating to English football given to the British press have been very flowery and positive. The feeling in Croatia is quite different, however - many of the players are openly stating that it was a malicious tackle from a thug, and there have been a lot of editorials and experts who have called on the likes of Modric, Rakitic and other young players who are looking to have a career in England to boycott the place. The tackle was the leading item on Croatian TV news over the weekend, and there�s a lot, and I mean a lot, ill-feeling towards both Taylor and the Premiership for allowing that kind of thing to happen. I personally haven�t seen the tackle so have refrained from makin any comments about it, but speaking to my cousin in Zagreb there�s a lot of anger over there...

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This is exactly my point. That a player is being villified and identified as a thug, and having death threats made against him for a tackle. (http://www.supersport.co.za/soccer/article.aspx?id=245769&headline=Arsenal%20expect%20Eduardo%20to%20recover%20this%20year%20 )

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The reaction is far in extreeme of the event and is unwarranted. Also, how can it be claimed that the league�(i.e. do�they mean the FA? or the ref? or the clubs that make up the league? or the manager?)��'allowed' it to happen?�What�level of causation are we measuring in this case?

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Bendtner has also come out and said he thinks the tackel was not maliciious: http://www.sportinglife.com/football/news/story_get.cgi?STORY_NAME=soccer/08/02/25/SOCCER_Arsenal_Nightlead.html

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As for Croatian players apparently speaking out against the tackle I can only find this report (in English): http://www.sportinglife.com/story_get.cgi?STORY_NAME=soccer/08/02/24/SOCCER_Eduardo.html�which quotes Kovac. I'd be interested to know if what the Croatian players are saying in the Croatian press. El grapadura, are you able to translate some for us (providing you speak Croatian, apologies if you don't)


The comments about the Premiership (basically, they mean the sanctioning bodies, presumably Premier League and the FA) relate to �lenient� dealing with very dangerus play. Again, I don�t know the stats or the details, just reporting what�s being said in the Croatian press.

I�ll hunt up some aricles quoting Croatian players and translate the gist of it.
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I am still concerned about that smirk on Taylors face, He's not innocent but I wouldn't knee cap upon reflection. However I think a 3 game ban is too little.
 
I've seen guys do horrendously clumsy tackles and they've immediately rushed to the victem to help etc, yet Taylor stood there and smirked.
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