NZ up four places to 77! And it looks like both England and Argentina are out of the top 7. So does this completely change the look of Pot A?
Ramming liberal dribble down your throat since 2009
This forum needs less angst and more Kate Bush threads
http://malawi.worldcupblog.org/team-news/fifa-world-cup-south-africa-2010-draw.html
dude did a random draw and put NZ in with Spain, Slovenia and Ghana- that would not be a pretty group to be in
Salmon swim upstream
Final Draw for the 2010 FIFA World Cup� � note to media
The
detailed criteria to determine the seeded teams for the Final Draw for
the 2010 FIFA World Cup South Africa� will be confirmed at the next
meeting of the Organising Committee for the FIFA World Cup� in Cape
Town on 2 December 2009 (and announced at a press conference following
the meeting).
If the criteria to determine the seeded teams were to include, as in the past, the FIFA/Coca-Cola World Ranking, then it would be the October 2009 edition of this ranking which would be considered, and this for sporting reasons. In fact, using the November 2009 edition would create an uneven situation, specifically for the European Zone, where the play-offs involving the eight best runners-up led to an imbalance in the number of qualification matches played between the teams (i.e. some teams play more games than others).
For what it's worth, I put the November rankings into the seedings calc to replace the October ones to see if it made a difference.
Not sure how this will appear on the forum, but this is the seeding detail copied and pasted if the 2006 method is used, albeit with Oct'09 instead of Nov'09:
Prior WCs FIFA Rankings 2006 2002 Overall 2009 2008 2007 Overall Total Rank South Africa dnq 0 0 17 9 9 3.00 2 3 5 3.33 6.33 29 Brazil 5 28 56 1 32 32 29.33 32 28 31 30.33 59.67 1 Germany 3 30 60 2 31 31 30.33 28 31 28 29.00 59.33 2 Italy 1 32 64 15 18 18 27.33 29 29 30 29.33 56.67 3 Spain 9 24 48 5 28 28 25.33 31 32 29 30.67 56.00 4 England 7 26 52 6 27 27 26.33 26 26 23 25.00 51.33 5 Argentina 6 27 54 18 9 9 21.00 27 27 32 28.67 49.67 6 France 2 31 62 28 8 8 23.33 25 25.5 27 25.83 49.17 7 Portugal 4 29 58 21 9 9 22.33 24 25.5 26 25.17 47.50 8 Netherlands 11 22 44 dnq 0 0 14.67 30 30 25 28.33 43.00 9 Mexico 15 18 36 11 22 22 19.33 18 15 22 18.33 37.67 10 USA 25 8 16 8 25 25 13.67 23 19 21 21.00 34.67 11 Switzerland 10 23 46 dnq 0 0 15.33 22 17 10 16.33 31.67 12 Paraguay 18 9 18 16 17 17 11.67 15 22 19 18.67 30.33 13 Ghana 13 20 40 dnq 0 0 13.33 7 16 11 11.33 24.67 14 Cameroon dnq 0 0 20 9 9 3.00 21 23 18 20.67 23.67 15 Korea Republic 17 9 18 4 29 29 15.67 5 7 12 8.00 23.67 16 Australia 16 17 34 dnq 0 0 11.33 14 14 8 12.00 23.33 17 Japan 28 8 16 9 24 24 13.33 6 10 14 10.00 23.33 17 Greece dnq 0 0 dnq 0 0 0.00 20 20 24 21.33 21.33 19 Ivory Coast 19 9 18 dnq 0 0 6.00 17 13 13 14.33 20.33 20 Serbia 32 8 16 dnq 0 0 5.33 16 12 17 15.00 20.33 21 Denmark dnq 0 0 10 23 23 7.67 12 9 15 12.00 19.67 22 Nigeria dnq 0 0 27 8 8 2.67 10 21 20 17.00 19.67 22 Uruguay dnq 0 0 26 8 8 2.67 13 18 16 15.67 18.33 24 Chile dnq 0 0 dnq 0 0 0.00 19 11 9 13.00 13.00 25 Honduras dnq 0 0 dnq 0 0 0.00 8 8 7.5 7.83 7.83 26 Slovakia dnq 0 0 dnq 0 0 0.00 9 6 7.5 7.50 7.50 27 Slovenia dnq 0 0 30 8 8 2.67 4 5 3 4.00 6.67 28 Algeria dnq 0 0 dnq 0 0 0.00 11 4 4 6.33 6.33 30 New Zealand dnq 0 0 dnq 0 0 0.00 3 2 2 2.33 2.33 31 North Korea dnq 0 0 dnq 0 0 0.00 1 1 1 1.00 1.00 32SiNZ2009-11-20 23:49:22http://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=10610659
The formula for the finals draw, to be made in Cape Town on December 4, affects the chances for many sides. It will be decided on just two days before the draw, Fifa has announced.
One of the primary aims, under Fifa's rules, is to keep teams from the same confederation apart. Europe's strength prevents that but the system will limit the number of European teams in any group to two.
That or I'd like to see him start an all-out brawl.
loyalgunner2009-12-02 00:32:05
Salmon swim upstream
5:50am Saturday live for the draw. Can't wait.
Theron will be joint host of the 90-minute show to be televised live to an estimated global audience of more than two hundred million people in 200 countries at 1900 local time (0600 on Saturday morning).
She will join FIFA general secretary Jerome Valcke to host the procedure of placing the 32 finalists into eight groups of four teams for the tournament which runs from June 11 to July 11.
The show will include an African musical spectacular, including gospel and jazz.
A host of sporting celebrities will also take part in the draw including Ethiopia's Olympic champion runner Haile Gebrselassie, England midfielder David Beckham, South Africa footballer Matthew Booth and cricketer Makhaya Ntini and the host country's rugby World Cup captain John Smit.
South African president Jacob Zuma will be in the audience along with Nobel Peace prize winners Frederik de Klerk and Archbishop Desmond Tutu.
FIFA will announce which teams will be seeded for the draw at a news conference on Thursday.
Well definitely worth a watch then . . .
A host of sporting celebrities will also take part in the draw including Ethiopia's Olympic champion runner Haile Gebrselassie....
I don't want that sh*t on my computer
Please
I've also read people get sacked for that at work
NSFW?
I realize I'm a bit (OK a lot) computer nil and probably a prude as well
but I expect links to be on topic please mate.
E's Flat Ah's Flat Too
POT 1: POT 2:
South Africa New Zealand
Argentina Australia
Spain Japan
England South Korea
Brazil North Korea
Netherlands Mexico
Germany USA
Italy Honduras
POT 3: POT 4:
Algeria Denmark
Cameroon Slovenia
Ivory Coast Slovakia
Nigeria Portugal
Ghana France
Uruguay Greece
Paraguay Serbia
Chile Switzerland
[/QUOTE]
Important rules regarding the draw:
[QUOTE]
� hosts South Africa will be automatically positioned as A1; the other seeded teams will be drawn into the other groups B-H, but will always be in position �1� of their group
� groups will be drawn from A to H and the positions in the group will be drawn for Pots 2 to 4
� geographical criteria will also be respected, meaning that no two teams from the same confederation will be drawn in the same group (except European teams, where a maximum of two will be in a group). For example, South Africa cannot play the African teams from Pot 3 and Argentina and Brazil cannot be drawn against the three remaining South American teams.
Three for me, and two for them.

Three for me, and two for them.


The 112 Miss World contestants are among a crowd of around 3000 who will attend the draw at the Cape Town International Convention Centre where the 32 qualified teams will be split into eight groups of four for next year's tournament.
For Schoeman it's a return home as she was born in South Africa, moving to New Zealand in 1997 where her family settled in Christchurch.
The 19-year-old beauty therapist has been back in the republic for two weeks leading up to her own final in Johannesburg on December 12.
Contestants have already visited World Cup construction sites but they will be more in their own league at the glitzy draw where they will mix with the stars.
While Fifa remain tight-lipped about the guest list South African media have begun speculating with Theron among their certainties.
Theron won 2004 best actress for her serial killer role in Monster and gained a nomination the following year.
The Sunday Times reported sports stars likely to line the 65m red carpet are Springboks rugby captain John Smit, Ethiopian champion marathon runner Haile Gebrselassie and retired footballing greats Zinedine Zidane and Lionel Messi.
David Beckham has confirmed his attendance as he helps front England's bid to host the 2018 World Cup.
Most of the coaches and captains of the qualified teams will be in attendance, perhaps even French skipper Thierry Henry who has been caught up in cheating claims following his team's controversial qualifying win over Ireland that included his hand ball in the leadup to the deciding goal.
There are suggestions that controversial Argentina coach, Diego Maradona - under a Fifa ban after his foul-mouthed tirade following his side's qualification for the finals - is planning to front up.
New Zealand officials at the draw will be NZF chairman Frank van Hattum, high performance manager Alex Chiet and All Whites assistant coach Brian Turner.
Another reason to watch the draw . . .AllWhitebelievr2009-12-03 02:28:26
Agree with this. But the trend for FIFA over the past years has been to try to give more importance to their ranking system, so guess this is just a continuation of that.
on behalf of hand of god, thanks to those forum members who correctly anticipated the broad composition of the pots. you heard it hear first.
Salmon swim upstream
South Africa cannot play the African teams from Pot 3 and Argentina and Brazil cannot be drawn against the three remaining South American teams.
"How the heck does this work???"
It doesnt make sense, South Africa will b in pot 1, then they will draw teams out of 2,3,4??? to Play them?
brettdale2009-12-03 09:46:31
South Africa cannot play the African teams from Pot 3 and Argentina and Brazil cannot be drawn against the three remaining South American teams.
"How the heck does this work???"
Three for me, and two for them.
From Fifa's web site.South Africa cannot play the African teams from Pot 3 and Argentina and
Brazil cannot be drawn against the three remaining South American teams."How the heck does this work???"It doesnt make sense, South Africa will b in pot 1, then they will draw teams out of 2,3,4??? to Play them?
Easy. South Africa has to get one of the South American teams from pot 3, Brazil and Argentina have to get one of the African teams from pot 3.
It's standard practice that teams from the same confederations (bar UEFA, because of the sheer number of European teams in the World Cup) can't be in the same group.