Clayton Lewis (Unattached FC)

Nelfoos

They'll have been over his accounts in detail, any other lump sum deposits from U. DAVILA should be pretty easy to spot - if you assume he did it more than once then you have to also assume the investigation to be completely incompetent.

Thats real dumb if its been channeled into everyday accounts asking to be caught.
So lets see if i have this right im a gambling addict  chasing some extra cash and i only did this once. 
Sorry as someone who as admitted to having been down this hole admittedly no where near his profile i just dont accept his excuses then saying it was only the once. I also said i only did it once its what you do when caught.  

I’m not suggesting he’s telling the truth because I think he’s a man of great integrity, I’m suggesting he’s probably telling the truth because it would be pretty easy to prove if he was lying. 

Perhaps you don’t really understand the criminal mind.

Fitzy

I seem to be in the minority of believing he really did only do it once. There will have been huge pressure on all three players arrested, and any info they could provide that it happened more than once would have been a big bargaining chip for any them. I just don't think there would be any real reason for them to withhold the truth on that given they won't owe each other any loyalty and would have been doing everything they could to get off as lightly as possible. 

I’m surprised they actually left a paper trail, which possibly points to him being a newbie. Cash or transfer to a betting account would be more usual. 

Nelfoos

They'll have been over his accounts in detail, any other lump sum deposits from U. DAVILA should be pretty easy to spot - if you assume he did it more than once then you have to also assume the investigation to be completely incompetent.

I feel like we should change the name of this thread from unattached to...

MetalLegNZ

I feel like we should change the name of this thread from unattached to...

Not in prison?

Would probaby wind up theprof no end.

Definitely not sophisticated deceit but probably more down to the whole bunch of them seemed dumb as fudge.

Lewis admits to some random criminal he has never met in the cell his involvement in the crime.

Davila transferring money directly into his bank account.

It doesn’t however mean however that pure cash transferring hands hasn’t been ongoing in the games and seasons beforehand.

They just may have got very careless as they had been successful for so long and didn’t want to have to deal with cash.

I find it hard to believe that Davila didn’t know Lewis very well beforehand from their time at the Nix, and he needed some new team mate to tell him he would be a good candidate 

Especially as they were hunkered down in the covid years

That random criminal would of been an undercover police officer. What Lewis told him right off the bat is another indicator of his naivety and probability he was new to the scheme.

AucklandPhoenix

Definitely not sophisticated deceit but probably more down to the whole bunch of them seemed dumb as fudge.

Lewis admits to some random criminal he has never met in the cell his involvement in the crime.

Davila transferring money directly into his bank account.

It doesn’t however mean however that pure cash transferring hands hasn’t been ongoing in the games and seasons beforehand.

They just may have got very careless as they had been successful for so long and didn’t want to have to deal with cash.

I find it hard to believe that Davila didn’t know Lewis very well beforehand from their time at the Nix, and he needed some new team mate to tell him he would be a good candidate 

Especially as they were hunkered down in the covid years

Whilst what they did wrong and were to receive a punishment you have to take into account, did getting a yellow card affect the score and or the result of the game?

Like a certain ex goalkeeper letting in soft goals for example. That certainly affected results. The people who suffered the most were the sports gamblers whom lost most - good job.

I appreciate that there will be more to this and it will come out in time once Davilla makes his plea. Whether or not the allegecd Cartel has any influence on that outcome too.

Can’t believe that people are going into bat for this guy.

Is it the Wellington Phoenix eye patch?

If he had never played for the Nix would you have been so generous?

How would you feel if he has been doing similar things while playing for the Nix?

Bearing in mind both he and Davila played together for the Nix at the same time, during covid years, when they were hunkered down there is a better then even chance that it did occur then as well.

AucklandPhoenix

Can’t believe that people are going into bat for this guy.

Is it the Wellington Phoenix eye patch?

If he had never played for the Nix would you have been so generous?

How would you feel if he has been doing similar things while playing for the Nix?

Bearing in mind both he and Davila played together for the Nix at the same time, during covid years, when they were hunkered down there is a better then even chance that it did occur then as well.

Who is batting for him?? What he did was wrong, he's been caught and received a Court punishment and I would imagine soon to get a FIFA type punishment. I just think the punishment is appropriate to the crime. He didn't end another players career with a dangerous tackle, he didn't affect the result in the game/s.

I don't think we need to hang/quarter & crucify the guy. He's stacking shelves with his reputation as a footballer destroyed and he knows it.

Not sure anyone is really going into bat for him. We seem to be on a spectrum from ‘lock him up and throw away the key’ to ‘prison will achieve nothing and prisons should be abolished by the way’. But the latter is not because we think he’s a Real Nice Guy Actually who deserves to be able to just forget about all this. 

AucklandPhoenix

Can’t believe that people are going into bat for this guy.

Is it the Wellington Phoenix eye patch?

If he had never played for the Nix would you have been so generous?

How would you feel if he has been doing similar things while playing for the Nix?

Bearing in mind both he and Davila played together for the Nix at the same time, during covid years, when they were hunkered down there is a better then even chance that it did occur then as well.

He has been sentenced. What more do you want?

Weirdo.

Not convinced at all he has been "punished" by the court system. More the old slap on the wrist with a wet bus ticket type.
Im more disbelieving of those who accept it was "just this once"

Should have got a criminal conviction

How would you feel if an All White (which he was) did this in the World Cup finals for coin?

Wouldn’t normally stoop to your level, but what the hell

Weirdo

Buffon II

AucklandPhoenix

Can’t believe that people are going into bat for this guy.

Is it the Wellington Phoenix eye patch?

If he had never played for the Nix would you have been so generous?

How would you feel if he has been doing similar things while playing for the Nix?

Bearing in mind both he and Davila played together for the Nix at the same time, during covid years, when they were hunkered down there is a better then even chance that it did occur then as well.

He has been sentenced. What more do you want?

Weirdo.

Does seem silly to me that because he has suffered grave professional and social consequences that he has been let off lightly when it comes to criminal punishment. 

But also, it is ridiculous that such betting markets like yellow cards in a game exist, and that civil police forces and criminal justice systems have to waste so much time on upholding them. A lot of sports betting probably shouldnt be allowed to exist. 

And also, I feel like Clayton is so stupid that it seems almost harsh to deem him criminally responsible. I just feel bad for the guy. Just want him to get whatever playing ban he is going to get so we can draw a line under all this and move on. 

AucklandPhoenix

Should have got a criminal conviction

How would you feel if an All White (which he was) did this in the World Cup finals for coin?

Wouldn’t normally stoop to your level, but what the hell

Weirdo

Buffon II

AucklandPhoenix

Can’t believe that people are going into bat for this guy.

Is it the Wellington Phoenix eye patch?

If he had never played for the Nix would you have been so generous?

How would you feel if he has been doing similar things while playing for the Nix?

Bearing in mind both he and Davila played together for the Nix at the same time, during covid years, when they were hunkered down there is a better then even chance that it did occur then as well.

He has been sentenced. What more do you want?

Weirdo.

It's international football so i would probably forget about it five minutes later.

Also you’d think a lawyer would be careful drawing inferences based on very little evidence because, yes, there is quite a difference in this having been a long running pattern or a one time thing. If the criminal investigation turned up no evidence of anything more, then it’s potentially libelous to say that he did. There’s no real need for it…

We all know Davila’s tragedy and the way he entertained us, and Clayton was a solid club member too. I’m sad they’ve let themselves down and yes, I would go into bat for them in that basis, of not being harrassed in bars etc for the rest of their lives. 

imanixsupporter

Does seem silly to me that because he has suffered grave professional and social consequences that he has been let off lightly when it comes to criminal punishment. 

But also, it is ridiculous that such betting markets like yellow cards in a game exist, and that civil police forces and criminal justice systems have to waste so much time on upholding them. A lot of sports betting probably shouldnt be allowed to exist. 

And also, I feel like Clayton is so stupid that it seems almost harsh to deem him criminally responsible. I just feel bad for the guy. Just want him to get whatever playing ban he is going to get so we can draw a line under all this and move on. 

The biggest criminals here are the TAB, bet365 etc. 

Its their taking good money to allow betting on frivolous things to line their own pockets that has caused this. We can blame the players, the officials, the betting syndicates all we like, but if these companies were not allowed to give odds on things such as this, the world would be a much better place. 

Too many people’s lives have been ruined thanks to betting and gambling generally.

Marto

imanixsupporter

Does seem silly to me that because he has suffered grave professional and social consequences that he has been let off lightly when it comes to criminal punishment. 

But also, it is ridiculous that such betting markets like yellow cards in a game exist, and that civil police forces and criminal justice systems have to waste so much time on upholding them. A lot of sports betting probably shouldnt be allowed to exist. 

And also, I feel like Clayton is so stupid that it seems almost harsh to deem him criminally responsible. I just feel bad for the guy. Just want him to get whatever playing ban he is going to get so we can draw a line under all this and move on. 

The biggest criminals here are the TAB, bet365 etc. 

Its their taking good money to allow betting on frivolous things to line their own pockets that has caused this. We can blame the players, the officials, the betting syndicates all we like, but if these companies were not allowed to give odds on things such as this, the world would be a much better place. 

Too many people’s lives have been ruined thanks to betting and gambling generally.

I'm definitely their primary demographic so I get saturated with Betcha ads on every platform. They're so insidious, it almost makes me want to vomit - trying to appeal to 'laddy' culture and seem cool.

One ad in every fifty might focus on the 'take a break' angle, but they seem few and far between.

And since the sale of the TAB to Entain it's only gotten worse. It's so exploitative, I hate it. 

Manually blocked the ads enough for it to stop showing me them.

dunnix

Marto

imanixsupporter

Does seem silly to me that because he has suffered grave professional and social consequences that he has been let off lightly when it comes to criminal punishment. 

But also, it is ridiculous that such betting markets like yellow cards in a game exist, and that civil police forces and criminal justice systems have to waste so much time on upholding them. A lot of sports betting probably shouldnt be allowed to exist. 

And also, I feel like Clayton is so stupid that it seems almost harsh to deem him criminally responsible. I just feel bad for the guy. Just want him to get whatever playing ban he is going to get so we can draw a line under all this and move on. 

The biggest criminals here are the TAB, bet365 etc. 

Its their taking good money to allow betting on frivolous things to line their own pockets that has caused this. We can blame the players, the officials, the betting syndicates all we like, but if these companies were not allowed to give odds on things such as this, the world would be a much better place. 

Too many people’s lives have been ruined thanks to betting and gambling generally.

I'm definitely their primary demographic so I get saturated with Betcha ads on every platform. They're so insidious, it almost makes me want to vomit - trying to appeal to 'laddy' culture and seem cool.

One ad in every fifty might focus on the 'take a break' angle, but they seem few and far between.

'Laddy' culture is a great description of their marketing.
'Bet with your mates' is a big catch cry here in Australia, apparently the biggest gambling market per capita in the world.

Both sides of the Aussie polly spectrum have promised to reduce gambling advertising, but nothing has happened.
https://www.afr.com/companies/media-and-marketing/labor-vowed-to-ban-sports-gambling-ads-18-months-ago-20241127-p5ktv7

Would the Nix take back Lewis if he doesn't get a ban from professional football?

Marto

imanixsupporter

Does seem silly to me that because he has suffered grave professional and social consequences that he has been let off lightly when it comes to criminal punishment. 

But also, it is ridiculous that such betting markets like yellow cards in a game exist, and that civil police forces and criminal justice systems have to waste so much time on upholding them. A lot of sports betting probably shouldnt be allowed to exist. 

And also, I feel like Clayton is so stupid that it seems almost harsh to deem him criminally responsible. I just feel bad for the guy. Just want him to get whatever playing ban he is going to get so we can draw a line under all this and move on. 

The biggest criminals here are the TAB, bet365 etc. 

Its their taking good money to allow betting on frivolous things to line their own pockets that has caused this. We can blame the players, the officials, the betting syndicates all we like, but if these companies were not allowed to give odds on things such as this, the world would be a much better place. 

Too many people’s lives have been ruined thanks to betting and gambling generally.

Agreed, it's so easy for people to sit on their high horse in these sorts of debates. But there's plenty of good people out there that get caught up in addiction (whatever addiction, you name it), and gambling is a big one.

The betting culture here is really bad and exploitative. You see it before every A-league match now, those two blokes talking about odds and bets to place. Gambling is just like any addiction, highs, lows, dopamine rushes. I'm lucky I've never fallen into it but I have empathy for those that do and have.

Ninja

Would the Nix take back Lewis if he doesn't get a ban from professional football?

A big no for me

ballane

Ninja

Would the Nix take back Lewis if he doesn't get a ban from professional football?

A big no for me

Fair enough. Personally, I love a redemption story.

Ninja

ballane

Ninja

Would the Nix take back Lewis if he doesn't get a ban from professional football?

A big no for me

Fair enough. Personally, I love a redemption story.

So do i but just dont think playing for us is where he should be doing it

ballane

Ninja

ballane

Ninja

Would the Nix take back Lewis if he doesn't get a ban from professional football?

A big no for me

Fair enough. Personally, I love a redemption story.

So do i but just dont think playing for us is where he should be doing it

 Yeah hard pass on Clayton, they took Bev who was sacked for debatable reasons. e.g. is having a drone really that bad (given that watching videos of how teams play exist). But re-signing Clayton would cause unwanted attention (especially given the rise of AFC).

His redemption will have to be off the pitch. Maybe advocacy for gambling addiction organisations or something - but no one can afford to trust him at the pro level. Besides, he probably will be banned completely anyway I'd imagine

Jazzy Jeff

His redemption will have to be off the pitch. Maybe advocacy for gambling addiction organisations or something - but no one can afford to trust him at the pro level. Besides, he probably will be banned completely anyway I'd imagine

Yeah. 

Something I think could be really cool for Clayton to do eventually to help make a difference is to go to football youth academies and clubs around NZ to explain his experience and educate young footballers so that hopefully they will avoid going down a similar path.

very hard no!
any redemption story will need to be a few years after his football playing days are past him. Comparisons to Bev who was looking for a tactical advantage rather than wrecking a game for profit, are needless. Especially since Bev served her ban and is moved halfway across the world to make a comeback.
Lewis is yet to serve any real punishment. He's technically only been stood down due to the court case.

Yeah best case scenario for him is something like Lou Vincent's more recent visibility. Served a long ban, said all the right things and appears genuinely contrite - but it takes a long time to earn back any level of trust.

If he somehow avoids a ban and gets to play in the immediate future, every error has a question mark hanging over it, and its not a level of controversy that I want the club to consider (not that I think they will, or will even have the option to).

I’m not sure that the betting outlets you named are the actual problem here. They are the very small tip of an extremely huge iceberg and not all of it legal. Gambling is massive in many cultures and countries, you will never be able to control it. You can’t catch the punters, but you can catch some of the players (there would be less of a problem if players didn’t oblige). Piss poor sentence if anyone is serious about a deterrent.

Marto

imanixsupporter

Does seem silly to me that because he has suffered grave professional and social consequences that he has been let off lightly when it comes to criminal punishment. 

But also, it is ridiculous that such betting markets like yellow cards in a game exist, and that civil police forces and criminal justice systems have to waste so much time on upholding them. A lot of sports betting probably shouldnt be allowed to exist. 

And also, I feel like Clayton is so stupid that it seems almost harsh to deem him criminally responsible. I just feel bad for the guy. Just want him to get whatever playing ban he is going to get so we can draw a line under all this and move on. 

The biggest criminals here are the TAB, bet365 etc. 

Its their taking good money to allow betting on frivolous things to line their own pockets that has caused this. We can blame the players, the officials, the betting syndicates all we like, but if these companies were not allowed to give odds on things such as this, the world would be a much better place. 

Too many people’s lives have been ruined thanks to betting and gambling generally.

Banned from all football related activities for 5 years.

I thought it was 4?

Is it back dated to his conviction, or from now?

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/sport/582359/clayton-lewis-among-four-football-players-banned-for-spot-fixing

Lewis and Baccus - "Both players were banned for five years each commencing on 17 May 2024"

Lewis will be 33 when the ba is over - so you'd think career ending for him.

5 years is a long time, this is a sad story.

There is a 12 month deduction from doing community service in the football integrity space, but I don't know if that is already factored into the 5 year ban starting May 2024, or whether that makes it a 4 year ban starting May 2024 meaning he could play again in the 28-29 season.

imanixsupporter

There is a 12 month deduction from doing community service in the football integrity space, but I don't know if that is already factored into the 5 year ban starting May 2024, or whether that makes it a 4 year ban starting May 2024 meaning he could play again in the 28-29 season.

 Doesnt matter which club he can play for. He'll be 32 or 33 and we shouldn't even entertain the idea at all. He can say any defence in the world but he knew what he was doing.