Kiwi Players Elsewhere

Michael McGlinchey (Weston FC | Australia)

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over 11 years ago

patrick478 wrote:

CCM refuting the statement from the PFA:

That's bluddy Ironic isn't it? #GetToKnowEm #Facts - How about Central Coast become transparent about these so called 'facts' surrounding the transfer of licence reagrding the party legally entitled to run Central Coast? 

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over 11 years ago

How is this different to Ibini signing for Sydney? Wasn't he away on loan?

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over 11 years ago

If the arbitrator's decision is a correct interpretation of the contractual situation, I don't blame the Mariners in the slightest for not letting a player go simply because he didn't want to honour the rest of his contract. Sets a dangerous precedent, particularly for a club that relies so heavily on selling players.

You know we belong together...

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over 11 years ago

Would be interesting to know if we have been paying weemac these past two months on good faith, are ccm going to start paying weemac now, do we get reimbursed, where does he fit in terms of ccm cap space?

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over 11 years ago

The guy who made the decision is contracted to the NRL, and is "Chairman of the National Dispute Resolution Chambers of Football Federation Australia". No so independant after all.

http://www.fjc.net.au/barristers/kite-peter.html


Yellow Fever - Misery loves company

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over 11 years ago

Surely a massive can of worms has been opened up. How can WeeMac be under contract and old entity and the other players be on new contracts and will come under the new entity. Surely they can't have both.

I'm an optimistic pessimist. 
I'm positive things will go wrong.
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over 11 years ago

Well that's really awkward for us and McGlinchey too. Can't imagine him being too enthusiastic about playing for CCM 

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over 11 years ago

Bullion wrote:

Would be interesting to know if we have been paying weemac these past two months on good faith, are ccm going to start paying weemac now, do we get reimbursed, where does he fit in terms of ccm cap space?

Be one of the many questions that this whole decision opens up. If we have been paying then CCM must refund the nix for the payment. But then you have the problem of can they pay him and stay under the salary cap.

I'm an optimistic pessimist. 
I'm positive things will go wrong.
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over 11 years ago · edited over 11 years ago · History

What do we do? Keep paying him? That can't continue much longer. Look around and negotiate with another player now? At least we know a bit more about what is going on. Hopefully for McGlincheys sake he can get this sorted ASAP, might be best for him if he just goes back, I hope CCM can clarify if they intend to pay and play him before Jan 1.

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over 11 years ago

Yakcall wrote:

Bullion wrote:

Would be interesting to know if we have been paying weemac these past two months on good faith, are ccm going to start paying weemac now, do we get reimbursed, where does he fit in terms of ccm cap space?

Be one of the many questions that this whole decision opens up. If we have been paying then CCM must refund the nix for the payment. But then you have the problem of can they pay him and stay under the salary cap.

CCM to refund Nix? or pay Weemac who in turn has to repay Nix. Wouldn't think CCM have any obligations to the Nix. Someone more enlightened, any issues contractually if CCM haven't been paying Weemac?

"FC_Shaza"

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over 11 years ago

That makes no sense - they can't have it both ways...

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over 11 years ago

This is just stupid. McGlinchey doesn't want to play for CCM so why make him. I can't really be arsed reading legal arguments but the whole thing just seems like a pointless dispute.

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over 11 years ago

screwed by the Aussies making up thier own rules again.....same old aussies always cheating

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over 11 years ago

FC_Shaza wrote:

Yakcall wrote:

Bullion wrote:

Would be interesting to know if we have been paying weemac these past two months on good faith, are ccm going to start paying weemac now, do we get reimbursed, where does he fit in terms of ccm cap space?

Be one of the many questions that this whole decision opens up. If we have been paying then CCM must refund the nix for the payment. But then you have the problem of can they pay him and stay under the salary cap.

CCM to refund Nix? or pay Weemac who in turn has to repay Nix. Wouldn't think CCM have any obligations to the Nix. Someone more enlightened, any issues contractually if CCM haven't been paying Weemac?

I highly doubt the Phoenix will get compensation as things stand at the moment.

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over 11 years ago

It's all good. Lia has this.

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over 11 years ago

Freeeeee Michael McGlinchey 

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over 11 years ago

rjmiller wrote:

FC_Shaza wrote:

Yakcall wrote:

Bullion wrote:

Would be interesting to know if we have been paying weemac these past two months on good faith, are ccm going to start paying weemac now, do we get reimbursed, where does he fit in terms of ccm cap space?

Be one of the many questions that this whole decision opens up. If we have been paying then CCM must refund the nix for the payment. But then you have the problem of can they pay him and stay under the salary cap.

CCM to refund Nix? or pay Weemac who in turn has to repay Nix. Wouldn't think CCM have any obligations to the Nix. Someone more enlightened, any issues contractually if CCM haven't been paying Weemac?

I highly doubt the Phoenix will get compensation as things stand at the moment.

I don't think CCM will pay the Nix, but someone has to be paying WeeMac and it should be CCM as he is their player and his loan was finished, so they wanted him, they can pay him. I'd guess in good spirit he'll pay the Nix back for paying him during this time though.

I'm an optimistic pessimist. 
I'm positive things will go wrong.
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over 11 years ago

Next question is why did they need a new company at all if the original is perfectly satisfactory?

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over 11 years ago

I hope they pay him now rather than Jan 1 then.

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over 11 years ago

Yakcall wrote:

I don't think CCM will pay the Nix, but someone has to be paying WeeMac and it should be CCM as he is their player and his loan was finished, so they wanted him, they can pay him. I'd guess in good spirit he'll pay the Nix back for paying him during this time though.

It's messy. CCM can say that they didn't agree to terminate the loan and so don't have to pay him before Jan 1. Yes, that would be a completely wankery thing to do. I can't see us being reimbursed.

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over 11 years ago

So if it is true that no player has had their contract shifted to the new company then its watertight....WeeMac is still a CCM contracted player. The original pre loan to Japan contract stands.

Whaty a clusterfuck.....So who is running CCM?  FFA pays the wages with TV money.....and some new entity runs the club with players who are contracted with the old company. Lawyers could have a field day with this setup.

Most importantly the Nix lose a very valuable player. Odds of us making top 6 have dipped a bit. I feel sorry for Weemac. He now has to pack his bag and shuffle off to Gosford. The CCM fans will hate him. The CCM coach will have a player in the squad whom everyone knows does not want to be there. 

Anyone know when McClincheys contract expires?  Or does it expire when the FFA finally transfer the ownership of CCM to the new entity?

This whole thing has been about FFA scrambling around to save their arses...they have a contract system full of holes and didn't want the Weemac situation creating a legal precedent. 

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over 11 years ago

Wow. 

Guess the Aussies really want to try to get somewhere in the FIFA organisation.



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over 11 years ago

shouldnt be under the cap though as we wouldn't have been paying a contracted player.

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over 11 years ago



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over 11 years ago

This just demonstrates the complete pointlessness of arbitration.  You get the decision and then the person who loses just goes to court anyway, it's just silly for binary decisions like this.

Normo's coming home

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over 11 years ago · edited over 11 years ago · History

rjmiller wrote:

Yakcall wrote:

I don't think CCM will pay the Nix, but someone has to be paying WeeMac and it should be CCM as he is their player and his loan was finished, so they wanted him, they can pay him. I'd guess in good spirit he'll pay the Nix back for paying him during this time though.

It's messy. CCM can say that they didn't agree to terminate the loan and so don't have to pay him before Jan 1. Yes, that would be a completely wankery thing to do. I can't see us being reimbursed.

I think that's likely.  When they took on Ibini to replace Weemac they would have needed weemacs loan agreement to say he could not come back before the loan expired, otherwise they'd go over the cap.  Weemac may well be in no man's land for terminating the loan without their agreement.  If his contract with CCM had terminated, as was thought at the time, then he would be fine; he leaves and signs with Nix.  But now, if he is still held under his contract with CCM, he's in a spot of bother.  

PFA may have boobed by jumping the gun ahead of seeing sufficient documentation to prove weemac was released from his contract, or PFA have been misinformed by FFA.  

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over 11 years ago

austin10 wrote:

So if it is true that no player has had their contract shifted to the new company then its watertight....WeeMac is still a CCM contracted player. The original pre loan to Japan contract stands.

Whaty a clusterfuck.....So who is running CCM?  FFA pays the wages with TV money.....and some new entity runs the club with players who are contracted with the old company. Lawyers could have a field day with this setup.

Most importantly the Nix lose a very valuable player. Odds of us making top 6 have dipped a bit. I feel sorry for Weemac. He now has to pack his bag and shuffle off to Gosford. The CCM fans will hate him. The CCM coach will have a player in the squad whom everyone knows does not want to be there. 

Anyone know when McClincheys contract expires?  Or does it expire when the FFA finally transfer the ownership of CCM to the new entity?

This whole thing has been about FFA scrambling around to save their arses...they have a contract system full of holes and didn't want the Weemac situation creating a legal precedent. 

He won't go/play for them, they are only doing it to be difficult. He doesn't want to play for them and they don't want him.

I'm an optimistic pessimist. 
I'm positive things will go wrong.
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over 11 years ago

mjp2 wrote:

rjmiller wrote:

Yakcall wrote:

I don't think CCM will pay the Nix, but someone has to be paying WeeMac and it should be CCM as he is their player and his loan was finished, so they wanted him, they can pay him. I'd guess in good spirit he'll pay the Nix back for paying him during this time though.

It's messy. CCM can say that they didn't agree to terminate the loan and so don't have to pay him before Jan 1. Yes, that would be a completely wankery thing to do. I can't see us being reimbursed.

I think that's likely.  When they took on Ibini to replace Weemac they would then have needed to cover in the loan agreement that Weemac could not come back before the loan expired, otherwise they'd go over the cap.  Weemac may well be in no man's land for terminating the loan without their agreement.  If his contract with CCM had terminated, as was thought at the time, then he would be fine; he leaves and signs with Nix.  But now, if he is still held under his contract with CCM, he's in a spot of bother.  

PFA may have boobed by jumping the gun ahead of seeing sufficient documentation to prove weemac was released from his contract, or PFA have been misinformed by FFA.  

Either CCM or the team he was on loan too has to pay him. This may have caused more problems due to putting CCM over the salary cap to do this, but I'm sure the PFA will make sure he is paid.

I'm an optimistic pessimist. 
I'm positive things will go wrong.
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over 11 years ago

Yakcall wrote:

mjp2 wrote:

rjmiller wrote:

Yakcall wrote:

I don't think CCM will pay the Nix, but someone has to be paying WeeMac and it should be CCM as he is their player and his loan was finished, so they wanted him, they can pay him. I'd guess in good spirit he'll pay the Nix back for paying him during this time though.

It's messy. CCM can say that they didn't agree to terminate the loan and so don't have to pay him before Jan 1. Yes, that would be a completely wankery thing to do. I can't see us being reimbursed.

I think that's likely.  When they took on Ibini to replace Weemac they would then have needed to cover in the loan agreement that Weemac could not come back before the loan expired, otherwise they'd go over the cap.  Weemac may well be in no man's land for terminating the loan without their agreement.  If his contract with CCM had terminated, as was thought at the time, then he would be fine; he leaves and signs with Nix.  But now, if he is still held under his contract with CCM, he's in a spot of bother.  

PFA may have boobed by jumping the gun ahead of seeing sufficient documentation to prove weemac was released from his contract, or PFA have been misinformed by FFA.  

Either CCM or the team he was on loan too has to pay him. This may have caused more problems due to putting CCM over the salary cap to do this, but I'm sure the PFA will make sure he is paid.

If the loan agreement said weemac couldn't leave Japan and expect to get paid by CCM, it still wouldn't stop him deciding to leave Japan and forego any payments.  The Japanese would be off the hook then if weemac asked for a release. 

If PFA falsely advised him he was off the hook with CCM, he would have thought he was fine to go to the Nix.  It will depend totally on what contractual information PFA received and relied on, from FFA and CCM, and whether they should have relied on it.

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over 11 years ago

Yakcall wrote:

austin10 wrote:

So if it is true that no player has had their contract shifted to the new company then its watertight....WeeMac is still a CCM contracted player. The original pre loan to Japan contract stands.

Whaty a clusterfuck.....So who is running CCM?  FFA pays the wages with TV money.....and some new entity runs the club with players who are contracted with the old company. Lawyers could have a field day with this setup.

Most importantly the Nix lose a very valuable player. Odds of us making top 6 have dipped a bit. I feel sorry for Weemac. He now has to pack his bag and shuffle off to Gosford. The CCM fans will hate him. The CCM coach will have a player in the squad whom everyone knows does not want to be there. 

Anyone know when McClincheys contract expires?  Or does it expire when the FFA finally transfer the ownership of CCM to the new entity?

This whole thing has been about FFA scrambling around to save their arses...they have a contract system full of holes and didn't want the Weemac situation creating a legal precedent. 

He won't go/play for them, they are only doing it to be difficult. He doesn't want to play for them and they don't want him.

why not? Still has a job to do, still a quality player. Will be shit for the aw's if he spends a season on the bench.
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over 11 years ago

mjp2 wrote:

rjmiller wrote:

Yakcall wrote:

I don't think CCM will pay the Nix, but someone has to be paying WeeMac and it should be CCM as he is their player and his loan was finished, so they wanted him, they can pay him. I'd guess in good spirit he'll pay the Nix back for paying him during this time though.

It's messy. CCM can say that they didn't agree to terminate the loan and so don't have to pay him before Jan 1. Yes, that would be a completely wankery thing to do. I can't see us being reimbursed.

I think that's likely.  When they took on Ibini to replace Weemac they would have needed weemacs loan agreement to say he could not come back before the loan expired, otherwise they'd go over the cap.  Weemac may well be in no man's land for terminating the loan without their agreement.  If his contract with CCM had terminated, as was thought at the time, then he would be fine; he leaves and signs with Nix.  But now, if he is still held under his contract with CCM, he's in a spot of bother.  

PFA may have boobed by jumping the gun ahead of seeing sufficient documentation to prove weemac was released from his contract, or PFA have been misinformed by FFA.  

Clear that the PFA have been misinformed by the FFA on who holds the CCM licence

When he terminated the loan with the Japanese club, who would have been paying his wages, he would have reached a financial settlement with them.  So he won't be due anything from CCM.  The issue is who is he actually contract to from now until 1 Jan - that to me is not satisfactorily explained by any of this.

Normo's coming home

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over 11 years ago

How is this different to Ibini signing for Sydney? Wasn't he away on loan?

No, he was sold to the Chinese team and was loaned to CCM and now loaned to Sydney.

Although CCM did cry about that loan too....

The artist formerly known as Homer Simpson

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over 11 years ago
Special shout out the FFA for prematurely announcing he was a nix player in the first place then royally fucking us over on the back of their own stupidity
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over 11 years ago · edited over 11 years ago · History

james dean wrote:

mjp2 wrote:

rjmiller wrote:

Yakcall wrote:

I don't think CCM will pay the Nix, but someone has to be paying WeeMac and it should be CCM as he is their player and his loan was finished, so they wanted him, they can pay him. I'd guess in good spirit he'll pay the Nix back for paying him during this time though.

It's messy. CCM can say that they didn't agree to terminate the loan and so don't have to pay him before Jan 1. Yes, that would be a completely wankery thing to do. I can't see us being reimbursed.

I think that's likely.  When they took on Ibini to replace Weemac they would have needed weemacs loan agreement to say he could not come back before the loan expired, otherwise they'd go over the cap.  Weemac may well be in no man's land for terminating the loan without their agreement.  If his contract with CCM had terminated, as was thought at the time, then he would be fine; he leaves and signs with Nix.  But now, if he is still held under his contract with CCM, he's in a spot of bother.  

PFA may have boobed by jumping the gun ahead of seeing sufficient documentation to prove weemac was released from his contract, or PFA have been misinformed by FFA.  

Clear that the PFA have been misinformed by the FFA on who holds the CCM licence

When he terminated the loan with the Japanese club, who would have been paying his wages, he would have reached a financial settlement with them.  So he won't be due anything from CCM.  The issue is who is he actually contract to from now until 1 Jan - that to me is not satisfactorily explained by any of this.

Seems quite simple- the old club ownership is a wave and the new club ownership is a particle.



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over 11 years ago

Sackofspuds wrote:

More importantly...

nufc_nz wrote:

McGlinchey is ours !

My balls my word.

I did not put a time frame on it.Technically we can still get him either as a player, or a fuckin boot cleaner and I will keep my balls.



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over 11 years ago

this is not what i wanted after coming home from a shitty exam. 

1) If we paid his wages do we get refunded?

2) this is going to be awkward as fuck for weemac

3) can we possibly go for a transfer, he shouldnt cost too much especially if he wants away (maybe a player swap as part of the transfer...vinnnie lia hint hint).

I feel as though ccm have thought of this as loosing potential money rather than a decent player, it was clear weemac wanted away from the moment arnold left and the club had no issues then.

yung thug

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over 11 years ago

This decision does not make any sense.  According to this Michael McGlinchey is the CCMs only player -the others have been contracted by some other Company who has yet to own the franchise. He is therefore the only legal player in the FFA Cup?

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over 11 years ago

In all seriousness, this sucks.



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over 11 years ago

nufc_nz wrote:

In all seriousness, this sucks.

It sucks balls

"Ive just re-visited this and once again realised that C-Diddy is a genius - a drunk, Newcastle bred disgrace - but a genius." - Hard News, 11:39am 4th June 2009

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over 11 years ago

The independent arbitrator in the contract dispute regarding Central Coast Mariners FC, Wellington Phoenix FC, Professional Footballers Australia (PFA), and Michael McGlinchey this afternoon ruled that McGlinchey remains rightfully contracted to Central Coast Mariners FC Pty Ltd – the company which holds the Central Coast Mariners license to compete in the Hyundai A-League.

Central Coast Mariners FC acknowledges Wellington Phoenix FC’s communications this evening stating their intention to seek legal advice regarding the independent arbitrator’s decision.

However, the Mariners find Wellington Phoenix FC’s statement regarding “whether or not McGlinchey and other players have been, and are actually contracted to, the legal entity that holds the license for the Central Coast Mariners to play in the Hyundai A-league” as unnecessary and unhelpful.

The Mariners remain committed to open and transparent dialogue with Football Federation Australia (FFA) and Wellington Phoenix FC regarding all matters.

Central Coast Mariners also note public comments made by PFA Chief Executive, Mr Adam Vivian, regarding the independent arbitrator’s decision this afternoon.

Central Coast Mariners Chairman, Mr Michael Charlesworth, thanked Mr Peter Kite SC, the independent arbitrator in the McGlinchey case, for his decision today.

Charlesworth said that despite the fresh comments made by Wellington Phoenix FC and the PFA, Mariners management remains steadfast in their belief that McGlinchey is rightfully contracted to the Club, and that that will be proven to be correct again in any further legal proceedings.

“I’m not convinced that the PFA are now acting, as they should, in the best interests of Michael McGlinchey, the Clubs, or the Hyundai A-League,” Mr Charlesworth said.

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