Michael McGlinchey (Weston FC | Australia)

Maybe they'll loan him to us.

The shit thing is that McGlinchey would have earned a fair amount of coin for the Phoenix. We have already allocated all of our Visa spots. Therefore we have a lot of money but basically no one who we could sign with that money. If the FFA had announced the decision earlier then we would have had a decent shot at signing another Australian/New Zealand player. Now it is so much more difficult for us.

something old, something new- Hermaphrodite Coast FC

Well, this is awkward............

so what I get out of this is that ccm has players whos contract runs through till the takeover from when the entity was the ccm are ccm players. Yet anyone who signed this new contract i.e. new signings or resigned players but have not got a contract untill the takeover is done. Then once the take over is completed weemacs contract is void. So ccm essentially would only have half a squad or less, thus being ineligible for ffa cup.

photoshop herberts face over weemac to save our blushes.

well at least we have plenty of midfielders not quite as devastating as it would have been in previous seasons.

maybe they'll loan us ur mum m8

http://www.ccmariners.com.au/article/statement-mic... Statement from the Mariners.

I'm interested in this paragraph... "However, the Mariners find Wellington Phoenix FC’s statement regarding “whether or not McGlinchey and other players have been, and are actually contracted to, the legal entity that holds the license for the Central Coast Mariners to play in the Hyundai A-league” as unnecessary and unhelpful." 

They didn't say False. 

makes sense of one thing.  Remember they changed their tune and went back to all their players and said they didn't need new contracts after all.

yet, they say the license will still be transferred, in the near future, so what's going to happen then ...

what a mess

You've got no balls. You just showed that by making that statement.

This really is becoming more and more bizarre - what about all the players who are now contracted to the new entity?

#shambles 

Merick is all buddy buddy with Big Sam right? Mariners sell him to West Ham, West Ham loans him to us, we get our all whites to lean on Winston to re-sign his contract.

Easy.

Can he retire from all football for 'personal reasons' and then announce a cheeky comeback by signing with the Nix in the first couple of weeks of the season? 

Can't see the guy getting much love at the training ground up in Gosford, let alone any playing time for the rest of his time at CCM.

What a fucking shambles!

Charlesworth insisted that had PFA not become embroiled in the dispute over whether McGlinchey was still contracted to the Mariners, an "amicable outcome" could have been reached with "adequate compensation".

The midfielder now remains tied to the Mariners until the end of the 2014-205 A-League season.

With PFA and Wellington assessing whether to pursue the matter through legal means as McGlinchey seeks to sever his ties with Central Coast, Charlesworth (pictured below) said of Thursday's verdict from arbiter Mr Peter Kite SC: “I believe the PFA have behaved disgracefully.

"They have done their client Michael no favours and neither have they done Wellington or the A-League any favours whatsover.

"They need to take a long hard look at themselves in terms of what they are trying to achieve because they are doing a very poor job for everybody.

"Their conduct, in my opinion, has been divisive to the growth of the A-League. If they had kept out of this I am sure a deal could have been done [with Wellington].

"They have agitated a relatively straightforward situation, which could quite easily have been resolved, to a point where it can now be ongoing should they appeal.

I don’t believe they have been working in the interests of Michael - in my view they have been working in their own self-interest and have not done a good job for anybody.

"I am sure that had Michael known where this was leading he would have found a club which would have adequately compensated us, or he would have bought himself out of the contract.

"Every player has a value and we put a value on him which we believe is more than reasonable."

In a statement, PFA CEO Adam Vivian said: "The PFA stands by the advice given to Michael, which was based on information given in October 2013 by Football Federation Australia (FFA) that due to a change in ownership, the A-League licence of the Mariners would be transferred to a new company controlled by owner Mike Charlesworth.

"Under an agreement reached between FFA and the PFA, all Mariners’ players were to be offered employment with the new company, and the previous Mariners’ entity would cease to operate the A-League licence.

"As a result, almost the entire Mariners squad has signed agreements with the new entity.

"As Michael was contracted to the previous entity, he was free to pursue his professional interests as an uncontracted player and sign a contract with a club of his choice.

"However, it only recently emerged that the entity licensed to operate the Mariners had not changed, but will do so in the near future. The reason for the failure to transfer the licence has not been satisfactorily explained to the PFA."

The PFA CEO went on to say: "The PFA is greatly concerned by the situation at the Mariners, which unnecessarily raises concerns about the sanctity of the A-League licensing system administered by FFA.

"All A-League players are entitled to know that the club which employs them is duly licensed by FFA. If not, the ability of the game to regulate itself and uphold player contracts is brought into question.

"Players have previously lost over $2.5 million in entitlements where a new entity refused to pick up player contracts on the transfer of an A-League licence. The irony of Michael’s position in light of this is not lost on the PFA and our membership.

"The PFA’s lawyers are now analysing the decision of the arbitrator to determine the next course of action."

Charlesworth said of the arbiter’s findings: "To me it's a common sense decision. All we wanted was adequate compensation for a very good contracted player. That has not been forthcoming so far."

McGlinchey, who exited his loan deal with J.League outfit Vegalta Sendai in June with the aim of accepting an offer from Phoenix, is due to return to Central Coast on 1 January.

But with the relationship between the player and the Mariners soured there is little prospect of him playing for them again, with Charlesworth confirming: "As far as we are concerned he is on the transfer list.

"I would say it's unlikely, but not impossible, that he will play for us again but we will listen to any reasonable offer.

"Our aim is to reach a financial agreement with Wellington and discussions are ongoing."

http://theworldgame.sbs.com.au/article/2014/08/21/...

this just raises lots more puzzling questions - does anyone involved with this complete shambles really have any idea what on earth they are doing ........

this is the article I remembered from a while back and mentioned earlier 

this goes back to July 25 - on this thread - originally posted by Ryan's Rovers

"Contracted Mariners players were asked to sign an agreement acknowledging the change of ownership, but by the time the document was drafted, McGlinchey was already in Japan and did not sign it.

McGlinchey’s camp insist that proves the New Zealander is a free agent, but the Mariners have continued to fight the claim.

With McGlinchey’s case now in arbitration, sources have indicated Charlesworth and Mariners CEO Bruce Stalder approached the players last week asking them to sign yet another agreement, this time stating that ownership of the club was, in fact, never transferred.

Just sounds like more CCM/Charlesworth bleeting and digging their heels in. 

In terms of compensation, no money can change hands between A-League clubs for a transfer. Have they not realised this?

They carry on about wanting money for him, but when the licence for the club changes hands (whenever that is) he'll be a free agent and we'll snap him up. 

Plus he practices law in the central coast area

what's the bet the club changes hands once CCM get money for wee mac? 

The timing of asking them to sign back to old owners last week is too big a coincidence 

I think you guys are maybe getting into the conspiracy territory here.  This is a complete mess, but if the PFA info is wrong and the licence hasn't transferred, on the question of whether McGlinchey is contracted to the original entity which apparently does hold the license (not what the story is with the rest of the players) then this kind of makes sense.  Big picture it's completely inconsistent, but I don't think it's all this guy's fault.

Wouldn't you expect the "Chairman of the National Dispute Resolution Chambers of Football Federation Australia" to rule on disputes for the FFA?

I agree with McGlinchey's agent though, a complete lack of leadership from the FFA on this whole thing.  This should never have got near arbitration, they should have been able to simply figure out to whom he was contracted and go from there

So my thoughts, if the original entity owns the licence, and the ccm players have sign a new contract with the new entity. Then technically they aren't signed to anyone until jan 1st, so at the mo they are all unattached players....and weemac is the only ccm player because he has an old contract.

Am I even close?

Shambles.

Apparently they all signed back to the old entity.

So what I am seeing here:

1) Club applied to change ownership, needed a licence moved

2) Club signed all players EXCEPT WeeMac & Seip to new entity

3) WeeMac leaves loan, signs with Nix

4) FFA release WeeMac article (73 days ago)

5) Sometime between July 18th & July 25th CCM sign all players back to original entity as "Licence wasn't transferred"

6) Arbitration finally happens - Was delayed (14 Days ago *8 AUG) => seems suspicious that this was delayed to a date after July 25th...or is that just me.

7) Decision delayed several times, finally released Aug 21st saying WeeMac is still a CCM player "On transfer list, we don't want him, but want a fee for him"

Would the signing back to old entity stand up in a court?  Maybe now is the time for the creditors (rumoured) to call in their money before it changes again.

Was the early release of WeeMac. signing done so it was out days before the licence transfer. Allowing time for the delay in transfer to new entity. Insider trading by FFA?

There are multiple articles in period July 1st til July 13th mentioning "Legal Mediation" and then Arbitration seems to be announced, at which point all of a sudden CCM scramble to sign all their players back to the old entity.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/football/10269929/Pho...

This article dated July 16th is the first mention of a "Independent Arbitrator" actually being involved that I can find..."It is understood that a teleconference took place last night between the Phoenix, Mariners, PFA, FFA and an independent arbitrator" - Funny how that is 2 days before the period in which CCM then signed all the players back to the old entity.

Aussie League ....

Aussie Rules....

Why are you surprised ....

they realize he's going to leave on a free as soon as the club is transferred over, thats why they transfer listed him straight away. The only reason they wanted him back was to get some $$$ for him.

So how much would he go for? What would his transfer fee be and could we pay it?

I doubt a transfer fee would be very much at all. It is only for a year of contract(is that correct?) and there is a legal question mark hanging over him. He would also have to agree terms personally. 

I think as a club we should move on but a lot depends on what McGlinchey wants to do now. We may actually need another striker more than another mid. Perhaps sit on it for a little but I don't think we should be trying to buy him.

no intra-club transfers in the A-league I believe

Actually, to me it sounds much more like WeeMac and the Phoenix are the ones who have tried to play the system. Mariners had a player, they loaned him out, they expected him back, and we tried to steal him on a technicality. And fucked it up.

Sounds about right.

So mostly it's a failure of paperwork between the CCM and FFA. 

Should that give McGlinchey the right to sneak out a side door? I don't think so.

But in saying that, didn't they use the same side door to get rid of someone (Seip?) who was expensive and they didn't want?

Are they having their cake and eating their WeeMac too?

Ok so here are some thoughts in this saga. No idea if I’m close to the mark of not. I suspect we will never know.

For a while Charlesworth has been looking to cut costs and increase revenue by selling and loaning out players like WeeMac and McBreen.

I guess there was an expectation that WeeMac would either be loaned again or bought by Vegalta Sendai with Arnold at the helm.

With Arnold leaving, it’s left the Mariners in a financial pickle. Charlesworth quotes yesterday backs this as he is looking for compensation to release a contracted player.

Assuming this is true, for me the question is whether a relatively simple situation is complicated by the complete shambles that appears to be behind the scenes

The lawyers of the PFA, Phoenix, and WeeMac believe he isn’t contract so no compensation is needed. The FFA also don’t allow transfers payments.

So CCM don’t want him but are asking for compensation that appears not to be possible under FFA regulations.

This sounds entirely plausible. But I don't think we can get all indignant because our attempts to sneak WeeMac out have failed. On the face of it he was always a Mariners player so was unavailable to us.

WeeMac's management: http://www.jhfootball.com/

And this guy is his agent:

This is kinda what I've been thinking over the last few days when you look at the basic facts of the matter.

We have tried to snag him while CCM were going through a bit of a debacle with their ownership and weemac's loan collapse, and it hasn't worked.

The only thing that makes me think maybe we could've succeeded was the seip thing. Bit rough of CCM to play hardball on weemac while at the same time mucking about with the same technicalities to get rid of an un-wanted player.