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Michael McGlinchey (Weston FC | Australia)

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over 11 years ago

its just such a flagrant, obvious fuck up where do you start?

Normo's coming home

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over 11 years ago

james dean wrote:

its just such a flagrant, obvious fuck up where do you start?

 

I know right. It's laughably woeful. Unless you're on the end of it in which case it's a God damned outrage!

Incredible stamina. No shame. Yellow Fever.

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over 11 years ago

Maybe the FFA should buy out McGlincheys contract.

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over 11 years ago

I thought things were supposed to get better under David Gallop. So far its just more cluster....

I liken this to one of those bad customer service episodes where it goes back and forth until someone senior steps in and the matter is wrapped up quickly. Why does someone senior from the FFA step in and get this wrapped up? The longer it drags on, the worse it looks for them.

Grumpy old bastard alert

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over 11 years ago

because that would be publicly admitting they screwed up. I think they're hoping it'll go away on its own, and word of their shambles doesn't see the light of day. 


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over 11 years ago

Gallop is FFA. De Bahun is the head of the a-league. So should be blaming him.

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over 11 years ago

Same shit different bucket 2B. Gallop pulls De Bohens strings and surely must be aware of this.

Grumpy old bastard alert

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over 11 years ago

The ffa should compensate mcglinchy for providing false information which resulted in damage to his reputation and career. Then he can use this money to buy out his contract and join us! I think its fair to say weemac would not have embarked on this course of action had he not recieved false information leading him to believe that he was a free agent and world otherwise be an important part of ccms plans or looking to secure a release through more conventional means.

"Yellow Fever are fantastic – I have to say that"

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over 11 years ago

Just use the money he got from Sendai for early termination (if he got any) he has been paid since then.

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over 11 years ago

If there never was a new company, and the players weren't signed over to anything, then what was the document the PFA released? Why would the FFA tell the PFA, wee mac and the nix that there was one. 

Load of sh*t from CCM there, I'm sorry. 


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over 11 years ago

Fact check: McGlinchey approached the Phoenix once the PFA told him he was a free agent and could sign with who he wanted.

Also 

4) Is there truth to the rumour that CCM players who signed this letter, have since signed back with the old company?

“This situtaion has caused a lot of uncertainty in the playing group. This uncertainty has resulted in some players being contracted to one entity and some to another. Some players have gone back to the old entity and some remain with the new entity.

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over 11 years ago · edited over 11 years ago · History

Today [if I can count right] would appear to be the final day under the FFA's National Grievance Resolution Regulations (7 business days from the initial decision) - that an appeal can be made,  I would expect to see an announcement from the PFA and/or the Phoenix soon.


Should they appeal, a hearing would be set for within 21 days (i.e no later than the 21st) although given how close we are to the start of the season I would imagine it would be sooner than that.

It's worth noting that under the regulations any decision by the Appeal Committee would be final - there is no scope under the FFA Statutes for a matter of this type to be sent to the Court of Arbitration for Sport, and the regulations explicitly prevent any court appeal.

Socceroo/ Mariner / Whangarei

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over 11 years ago

So tomorrow they file papers in the courts under employment law. Then their is no block to further action.  

"It's worth noting that under the regulations any decision by the Appeal Committee would be final - there is no scope under the FFA Statutes for a matter of this type to be sent to the Court of Arbitration for Sport, and the regulations explicitly prevent any court appeal."

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over 11 years ago · edited over 11 years ago · History

Blew.2 wrote:

So tomorrow they file papers in the courts under employment law. Then their is no block to further action.  

"It's worth noting that under the regulations any decision by the Appeal Committee would be final - there is no scope under the FFA Statutes for a matter of this type to be sent to the Court of Arbitration for Sport, and the regulations explicitly prevent any court appeal."

I would be highly surprised if this was the direction the case is headed. First if the Nix win the Mariners can appeal, whereas if they win under FFA regs the Mariners cannot appeal. Second acting outside FFA Reg's and using NZ employment law is a huge step not saying it won't or can't happen simply saying it is huge step nay mega to the power of mega step... 

Simple example the AFL draft is outside Trade Practice Law's in Australia, if one player or club took it to court it accepted by the AFL that the club or player would win ... no one does as they have all agreed to work within the AFL rules and guidelines... 

Socceroo/ Mariner / Whangarei

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over 11 years ago

The players’ union has launched an appeal against the arbitration finding that has forced Michael McGlinchey to stay with the Mariners.

McGlinchey was told his belief that his Mariners contract was invalid was wrong, leaving the player in limbo having effectively signed with both the Mariners and Wellington Phoenix.

Though the full arbitration has still to be released, the PFA have lodged an appeal.

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sport/football/sy...

At the bottom of the article. 

Socceroo/ Mariner / Whangarei

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over 11 years ago · edited over 11 years ago · History

" Though the full arbitration has still to be released, the PFA have lodged an appeal. "

This is the hilarious bit ...[ still to be released ]...to me anyhoo...

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over 11 years ago

it's still to be released yet the deadline for an appeal was yesterday? 


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over 11 years ago

Good to see this situation becoming clearer then...

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over 11 years ago

Fuck the FFA!

Incredible stamina. No shame. Yellow Fever.

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over 11 years ago

The longer this goes is helping no one .. you hope the case could start early next week and a decision with 2 to 3 weeks but given the history this will drag out.

For the players sake you hope the PFA know what they are doing and must feel they can win.. Because if they loose by the time the decision is made all transfer windows will be closed ..  Given he has publicly stated he has no confidence in the Mariners coach and  does not want to play under him.. The Mariners have already replaced him in the squad ... meaning the Mariners cannot sell him until the January transfer window but also meaning he has no club or income until the next transfer window.  

From the Nix's side of things they are holding a space and a salary cap amount in limbo ... say a decision in 6 weeks and the PFA loose how are the Nix's going to find a replacement of equal talent for the start of the competition..

If the PFA win then its OK for the Nix ... but a massive gamble and as I said you hope the PFA have a very very strong case otherwise no one benefits ...  

Socceroo/ Mariner / Whangarei

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over 11 years ago

Midfielder wrote:

The longer this goes is helping no one .. you hope the case could start early next week and a decision with 2 to 3 weeks but given the history this will drag out.

For the players sake you hope the PFA know what they are doing and must feel they can win.. Because if they loose by the time the decision is made all transfer windows will be closed ..  Given he has publicly stated he has no confidence in the Mariners coach and  does not want to play under him.. The Mariners have already replaced him in the squad ... meaning the Mariners cannot sell him until the January transfer window but also meaning he has no club or income until the next transfer window.  

From the Nix's side of things they are holding a space and a salary cap amount in limbo ... say a decision in 6 weeks and the PFA loose how are the Nix's going to find a replacement of equal talent for the start of the competition..

If the PFA win then its OK for the Nix ... but a massive gamble and as I said you hope the PFA have a very very strong case otherwise no one benefits ...  

Well, he currently is at a club that is, to paraphrase, 'looking after him financially'.

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over 11 years ago

Bullion wrote:

Midfielder wrote:

The longer this goes is helping no one .. you hope the case could start early next week and a decision with 2 to 3 weeks but given the history this will drag out.

For the players sake you hope the PFA know what they are doing and must feel they can win.. Because if they loose by the time the decision is made all transfer windows will be closed ..  Given he has publicly stated he has no confidence in the Mariners coach and  does not want to play under him.. The Mariners have already replaced him in the squad ... meaning the Mariners cannot sell him until the January transfer window but also meaning he has no club or income until the next transfer window.  

From the Nix's side of things they are holding a space and a salary cap amount in limbo ... say a decision in 6 weeks and the PFA loose how are the Nix's going to find a replacement of equal talent for the start of the competition..

If the PFA win then its OK for the Nix ... but a massive gamble and as I said you hope the PFA have a very very strong case otherwise no one benefits ...  

Well, he currently is at a club that is, to paraphrase, 'looking after him financially'.

Two possible outcomes

1] PFA win no issue.

2} PFA loose, do the Nix keep paying him & do they ask for payments back.

Socceroo/ Mariner / Whangarei

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over 11 years ago

Midfielder wrote:

Bullion wrote:

Midfielder wrote:

The longer this goes is helping no one .. you hope the case could start early next week and a decision with 2 to 3 weeks but given the history this will drag out.

For the players sake you hope the PFA know what they are doing and must feel they can win.. Because if they loose by the time the decision is made all transfer windows will be closed ..  Given he has publicly stated he has no confidence in the Mariners coach and  does not want to play under him.. The Mariners have already replaced him in the squad ... meaning the Mariners cannot sell him until the January transfer window but also meaning he has no club or income until the next transfer window.  

From the Nix's side of things they are holding a space and a salary cap amount in limbo ... say a decision in 6 weeks and the PFA loose how are the Nix's going to find a replacement of equal talent for the start of the competition..

If the PFA win then its OK for the Nix ... but a massive gamble and as I said you hope the PFA have a very very strong case otherwise no one benefits ...  

Well, he currently is at a club that is, to paraphrase, 'looking after him financially'.

Two possible outcomes

1] PFA win no issue.

2} PFA loose, do the Nix keep paying him & do they ask for payments back.

Actually there is a third (most likely imho) option:

3. PFA win or lose, Nix and Mariners come to an arrangement. WeeMac stays in Wellington.

Incredible stamina. No shame. Yellow Fever.

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over 11 years ago

Smithy wrote:

Midfielder wrote:

Bullion wrote:

Midfielder wrote:

The longer this goes is helping no one .. you hope the case could start early next week and a decision with 2 to 3 weeks but given the history this will drag out.

For the players sake you hope the PFA know what they are doing and must feel they can win.. Because if they loose by the time the decision is made all transfer windows will be closed ..  Given he has publicly stated he has no confidence in the Mariners coach and  does not want to play under him.. The Mariners have already replaced him in the squad ... meaning the Mariners cannot sell him until the January transfer window but also meaning he has no club or income until the next transfer window.  

From the Nix's side of things they are holding a space and a salary cap amount in limbo ... say a decision in 6 weeks and the PFA loose how are the Nix's going to find a replacement of equal talent for the start of the competition..

If the PFA win then its OK for the Nix ... but a massive gamble and as I said you hope the PFA have a very very strong case otherwise no one benefits ...  

Well, he currently is at a club that is, to paraphrase, 'looking after him financially'.

Two possible outcomes

1] PFA win no issue.

2} PFA loose, do the Nix keep paying him & do they ask for payments back.

Actually there is a third (most likely imho) option:

3. PFA win or lose, Nix and Mariners come to an arrangement. WeeMac stays in Wellington.

Lets hope you are right on the third option 

Socceroo/ Mariner / Whangarei

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over 11 years ago

Wibblebutt wrote:

McGlinchey could be a Nix player by the end of the week:

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/michael-burgess/news/art...

Although I don't know where he gets that end of the week timeframe from.

Yeah no clue whether he has some tasty secret sauce or whether he is just speculating.

Whats interesting is that the matter still isn't going to court....

That decision is under appeal, with the Professional Footballers' Association presenting a case that will be heard by a three-man panel, including a former A-League player and an FFA representative, who will make a binding decision.


I'm not really sure I see the point of this step, especially when it is partly being adjudicated by one of the parties directly implicit in creating this mess. Can this really not be appealed in an Australian court? Sounds a bit Kangarooish to me.

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over 11 years ago

rjmiller wrote:

Wibblebutt wrote:

McGlinchey could be a Nix player by the end of the week:

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/michael-burgess/news/art...

Although I don't know where he gets that end of the week timeframe from.

That decision is under appeal, with the Professional Footballers' Association presenting a case that will be heard by a three-man panel, including a former A-League player and an FFA representative, who will make a binding decision.


I'm not really sure I see the point of this step, especially when it is partly being adjudicated by one of the parties directly implicit in creating this mess. Can this really not be appealed in an Australian court? Sounds a bit Kangarooish to me.

Under the regulations any decision by the Appeal Committee would be final - there is no scope under the FFA Statutes for a matter of this type to be sent to the Court of Arbitration for Sport, and the regulations explicitly prevent any court appeal.

 National Grievance Resolution Regulations



Note similar rules apply in the AFL, NRL and Super Rugby

Socceroo/ Mariner / Whangarei

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over 11 years ago

I stated what seems like about a hundred lifetimes ago that this was all about the FFA FFS saving face and I've seen nothing yet to indicate anything different. Question for those who may know: if the FFA FFS were to "facilitate" an arrangement that meant weemac could become a nixer and CCM were "happy" would the terms of that arrangement ever need to be made public?

Kotahitanga. We are one.

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over 11 years ago
No, let him move to us, draw a line under their obvious fuck up and move on.
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over 11 years ago

Article this morning tweeted by Piney. Stating that CCM are cutting their losses. Weemac isfree.
Also podcast missed news again haha

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over 11 years ago

Please be true

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over 11 years ago

Time for a thread move. And about body time!

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over 11 years ago

great news. 

But dodgy timing. I suggest the appeal would've revealed a few bad things, so mariners (probably under advisement of the FFA) have released wee mac before it got to that stage. 

This way the nix get their player, wee mac is also happy, CCM probably got under the table compensation from the FFA, the FFA don't get exposed and they can stand by their original dodgy ruling by the 'independent' arbitrator who works for the FFA as chairman of the disputes committee and practices law in the central coast area. 

Dodgy dodgy dodgy. 

I'd love to see the PFA appeal the decision anyway. They can't un-release wee mac. 


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over 11 years ago

I can foresee a bit of this happening when WeeMac scores against CCM this season:

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over 11 years ago

LOOPHOLE - so why have the players resign back to the old entity. LOOPHOLE - so why have the players resign back to the old entity. LOOPHOLE - so why have the players resign back to the old entity.LOOPHOLE - so why have the players resign back to the old entity..............................

 

 

 

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over 11 years ago

#dirtypolitics

but as long as the right team wins, who cares...right?

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