Reid is probably still way above Midtjylland I think, it's just that his massive wages have been a barrier to the types of clubs who would be at his level. If West Ham pay him out and he becomes a free agent I'd have thought he'd pick something up at a higher level than that relatively quickly.
He still has some good football in him as the Olympics proved.
The Olympics also proved just how injury-prone Reid is: Subbed-off just minutes into the second match vs. Honduras, missed the third match, lasted 51 minutes in the quarter-final before being subbed off. Reid had been pretty injury-prone in the seasons before his long-term injury in 2018: in the five Premier League seasons before then, he had not started in 47 of the Hammers' matches (25 %), mostly due to injury. In 2013-14 he started only 18 league matches, in 2015-16, 24 (of 38). Reid was injured for the All Whites' inter-continental playoffs in 2013 & 2017, not taking the field in either leg in 2013 and joined camp injured in 2017, although he played. He also missed the Confederations Cup in Russia in 2017 due to injury. English football journalist Tom Rennie (editor of Talksport) in 2017: 'I know he misses a lot of international football, frankly Winston Reid missed too much football. If he was able to stay fit he'd be playing for Liverpool, he'd be playing for Man United but he misses 10-12 games a season. Often with a calf injury." I'd prefer to see him finish his career at the Phoenix: in a league where they play far fewer games than in England or Europe and with a long off-season which would suit his unreliable state of fitness. It would be a sensible choice - he'll have more than enough money to live out the rest of his days already, especially after the West Ham pay-off. He'd be worshipped as a hero playing at home in NZ where he's never played senior football and the Phoenix would be willing to carry a Kiwi talent like him even if he's not fit enough to play all the games (assuming Reid agreed to play for an affordable fee). But probably a choice he won't make unfortunately..... I can't see any decent-sized club in Europe wanting to take a chance on Reid at his age with his injury history.
That's why a Championship club for example would be very wary before signing him, as likely just too many games he'd miss. He'd be a risk for any club in the UK, given his history, and big playing schedules in the English leagues. Sadly his time at the Olympics just reinforced that.
In Denmark they play pretty much once a week, plus he'd have the lure of actually winning some silverware, and a little Euro action. A long winter break to rest up over. Then not being far from his wife's family in England. And yeah he doesn't need to chase the cash. That Hammers deal has well set him up for life post football.
Be good for the AWs also, him not having a too taxing and hopefully injury free club environment - but of course nothing is ever guaranteed on that front.
Reid is probably still way above Midtjylland I think, it's just that his massive wages have been a barrier to the types of clubs who would be at his level. If West Ham pay him out and he becomes a free agent I'd have thought he'd pick something up at a higher level than that relatively quickly.
Doesn’t he have to be released prior to the transfer window closing to sign elsewhere? This suggests a kind of retirement or transition into another role, or that the negotiations will take until the next window at least!
Going to take the time to rehab so that he's ready for the January transfer window to the A-League (which will probably be only a few rounds in if the start is delayed).
Reid is probably still way above Midtjylland I think, it's just that his massive wages have been a barrier to the types of clubs who would be at his level. If West Ham pay him out and he becomes a free agent I'd have thought he'd pick something up at a higher level than that relatively quickly.
Doesn’t he have to be released prior to the transfer window closing to sign elsewhere? This suggests a kind of retirement or transition into another role, or that the negotiations will take until the next window at least!
I don't think so, once released he is a free agent and can sign for anyone he wants at anytime (I think). The window is a "transfer window" not a signing window. (my take on it)
I'm going to say something that might see me banned from this site, but I actually wouldn't want him at the Nix. I think he's done really well for football in NZ, both on and off the pitch (with the scholarships he funds and generally by raising the profile of the sport in NZ and abroad) but I feel if we were to ever sign him, we would base our defense around him... And that would be super risky, even if the A League is shorter than other competitions, the risk of injury is always there in games and training. Were he to sign more as a talisman, someone who wants to be around to mentor the younger players and give his all on the pitch when he is fit, but without being part of the team's backbone (and at an affordable price) ... Then I would certainly think about it.
I'd be really surprised if he entertained the idea of coming to the Nix, moving his young family to the other side of the world at such a turbulent time. He's been open about the fact that Denmark is home, and while he still has whānau here, the signs point to him spending his post-football life in Europe around friends and close family. To that end, it would make sense if he was seeking a gig there instead, and I would think that even with his injury record he would still be seen as an option for certain clubs in the top flights of Holland, Belgium or France, and obviously Scandinavia.
I don't know if he would have even played for NZ if we hadn't qualified for the World Cup in 2010 - my feeling (with no evidence) is that he wouldn't. He was a starter in the Danish U20 side, and a peer of many of the players who were shaking things up at the Euros a couple of months back - in different circumstances, he could have even been part of that side! NZ realistically played no part in his development or progress as a player (World Cup notwithstanding), he is a product of the Danish system - and so I think we should just appreciate the service we have had from his skills and leadership, rather than looking for it to be extended to playing club football in this part of the world.
I do hope he finds another club though, both for his sake and the positive profile it brings to our sport.
I'd be really surprised if he entertained the idea of coming to the Nix, moving his young family to the other side of the world at such a turbulent time. He's been open about the fact that Denmark is home, and while he still has whānau here, the signs point to him spending his post-football life in Europe around friends and close family. To that end, it would make sense if he was seeking a gig there instead, and I would think that even with his injury record he would still be seen as an option for certain clubs in the top flights of Holland, Belgium or France, and obviously Scandinavia.
I don't know if he would have even played for NZ if we hadn't qualified for the World Cup in 2010 - my feeling (with no evidence) is that he wouldn't. He was a starter in the Danish U20 side, and a peer of many of the players who were shaking things up at the Euros a couple of months back - in different circumstances, he could have even been part of that side! NZ realistically played no part in his development or progress as a player (World Cup notwithstanding), he is a product of the Danish system - and so I think we should just appreciate the service we have had from his skills and leadership, rather than looking for it to be extended to playing club football in this part of the world.
I do hope he finds another club though, both for his sake and the positive profile it brings to our sport.
My facetious comment above aside, it would be a waste bringing him here when we're playing in Australia. One of the reasons to hire him would be commercial and to raise the profile of the club, if it was possible he'd be a good option for the club to re-connect with the fans and community in the 2022-2023 season but not necessarily in this season.
I'd be really surprised if he entertained the idea of coming to the Nix, moving his young family to the other side of the world at such a turbulent time. He's been open about the fact that Denmark is home, and while he still has whānau here, the signs point to him spending his post-football life in Europe around friends and close family. To that end, it would make sense if he was seeking a gig there instead, and I would think that even with his injury record he would still be seen as an option for certain clubs in the top flights of Holland, Belgium or France, and obviously Scandinavia.
I don't know if he would have even played for NZ if we hadn't qualified for the World Cup in 2010 - my feeling (with no evidence) is that he wouldn't. He was a starter in the Danish U20 side, and a peer of many of the players who were shaking things up at the Euros a couple of months back - in different circumstances, he could have even been part of that side! NZ realistically played no part in his development or progress as a player (World Cup notwithstanding), he is a product of the Danish system - and so I think we should just appreciate the service we have had from his skills and leadership, rather than looking for it to be extended to playing club football in this part of the world.
I do hope he finds another club though, both for his sake and the positive profile it brings to our sport.
Looking back through the archives this is the biggest NZ interview with Winston after he announced he had decided to play for the All Whites back in 2010 and I think answers some questions raised above about just how much Winston identifies with New Zealand and his Maori heritage: https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/fifa-world-cup/3454631/New-Danish-All-White-follows-Kiwi-heart I remember Winston saying in this & other interviews that he would visit his birth father every year in Auckland and in the end he identified more as a Kiwi and and a Maori than a Dane. This also came through in a cover story in leading Maori magazine "Mana" by leading Maori journalist Derek Fox in August 2010 "Who is Winston Wiremu Reid?". Fox, the editor of "Mana" became a big fan of Reid, the All Whites & Maori footballers and has regularly included interviews with Reid and stories on Maori footballers over the last decade. With regards to this story from the Press and others, we were lucky to have key senior journalists at the Press over the last two decades who were primarily football fans - Dutch immigrant Coen Lammers who wrote this was Sports Editor and then Deputy Editor of the Press for several years; Tony Smith has been Sports Editor for some years now & with the Press for about 24 years & is primarily a football fan. Lammers was the first NZ journalist to track Winston Reid, first publishing an interview with him back in 2007 (he had useful contacts in Europe, having been a football journalist in Holland). NZ's such a small place - I was sitting next to Coen Lammers' Kiwi mother-in-law at the movies here in Christchurch recently who commented on my football shirt & a discussion of her son-in-law's zeal for football ensued. Coen's brother-in-law Billy was a sports producer for Sky TV and sadly killed by a "king hit" form of manslaughter outside an Auckland bar: https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/a-killing-in-the-family/TMDCIKEETP4FQETJVX7KVPOMMA/
If you check out what he follows on Instagram there is definitely an interest in NZ fine real estate rather then Danish.
There was some indication from Winston as long ago as 2010 that he was interested in returning back here. See this comment in the interview I reference in my above post: https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/fifa-world-cup/3454631/New-Danish-All-White-follows-Kiwi-heart "The decision to don the white strip was about more than just football, it was also about where he belonged: "After my career is finished, I'll probably go home and do something with football down there. New Zealand has always been my country and I miss it a lot, even though I'm up here and have a really good life."
I'd be surprised if Winston considered the Nix, but I guess you never know. He'd be a great marquee for a new Auckland A League side. Not a long bow to say that being of indigenous (Maori) heritage he could have a stronger bond to NZ, than say a Pakeha kid who moved to Denmark at age 12 or whatever it was.
However since those 2010 interviews, he has gone and got married to an English lass and had his kids born there. Would his wife want to head downunder, a long way from her family, when Winnie won't be short of club options in Europe?
Certainly you couldn't question his commitment at the Olympics, playing that QF against Japan when obviously far from 100%, and appearing to aggravate that injury. I'm sure he would absolutely love to go to Qatar. Hopefully he finds a club, where he can play regularly but also doesn't pressure him to avoid any AWs games pre June 2022.
Unsure about this, mutual termination makes him a free agent, which now allows him to talk to any club, at any point.
Hence why A-league can sign people whenever, as most of the peeps they sign are out of contract players (hence the no transfer fees)
Transfer windows are for contracted players.
He can talk and sign with any club. But he can't be registered and hence play unless the transfer window is open (or it was open when he had his contracted terminated)
Unsure about this, mutual termination makes him a free agent, which now allows him to talk to any club, at any point.
Hence why A-league can sign people whenever, as most of the peeps they sign are out of contract players (hence the no transfer fees)
Transfer windows are for contracted players.
He can talk to clubs, he can even sign with them, as NelFoos points out, but he can only be registered to play for clubs in places that had windows open when he was released (or once new windows open, ie in England, in January). The A-League examples you're referring to fall under the third sentence in the following, from Fifa.
"Players may only be registered during one of the two annual registration periods fixed by the relevant association. Associations may fix different registration periods for their male and female competitions. As an exception to this rule, a professional whose contract has expired prior to the end of a registration period may be registered outside that registration period."
Edit: Oops, I see I was slow while I went citing Fifa.
Unsure about this, mutual termination makes him a free agent, which now allows him to talk to any club, at any point.
Hence why A-league can sign people whenever, as most of the peeps they sign are out of contract players (hence the no transfer fees)
Transfer windows are for contracted players.
He can talk to clubs, he can even sign with them, as NelFoos points out, but he can only be registered to play for clubs in places that had windows open when he was released (or once new windows open, ie in England, in January). The A-League examples you're referring to fall under the third sentence in the following, from Fifa.
"Players may only be registered during one of the two annual registration periods fixed by the relevant association. Associations may fix different registration periods for their male and female competitions. As an exception to this rule, a professional whose contract has expired prior to the end of a registration period may be registered outside that registration period."
Edit: Oops, I see I was slow while I went citing Fifa.
Citing your sources is part of why you're paid to write about this and we aren't
Given he's now ineligible to sign anywhere for a few months it seems a bit odd that they didn't just do the mutual termination a month ago? It's only another three months until he can re-sign somewhere else, but still.
Any news on Winston looking to sign.....well, anywhere?
Danny Hay mentioned on podcast with Piney today that he’s been training with a local team in the UAE since the November window and that it’s a possibility he’ll sign for them, or someone else in the Middle East
Any news on Winston looking to sign.....well, anywhere?
Danny Hay mentioned on podcast with Piney today that he’s been training with a local team in the UAE since the November window and that it’s a possibility he’ll sign for them, or someone else in the Middle East
I'd have thought the level was below him but maybe he likes sand and places with no history (UAE) and maybe he's mates with Tayls.
For our sakes we need him playing ASAP to get his match fitness and sharpness up.
Any news on Winston looking to sign.....well, anywhere?
Danny Hay mentioned on podcast with Piney today that he’s been training with a local team in the UAE since the November window and that it’s a possibility he’ll sign for them, or someone else in the Middle East
I'd have thought the level was below him but maybe he likes sand and places with no history (UAE) and maybe he's mates with Tayls.
For our sakes we need him playing ASAP to get his match fitness and sharpness up.
Any news on Winston looking to sign.....well, anywhere?
Danny Hay mentioned on podcast with Piney today that he’s been training with a local team in the UAE since the November window and that it’s a possibility he’ll sign for them, or someone else in the Middle East
I'd have thought the level was below him but maybe he likes sand and places with no history (UAE) and maybe he's mates with Tayls.
For our sakes we need him playing ASAP to get his match fitness and sharpness up.
It can be, depends on the team. A club like Al-Ain would be a good option, and some of the more established sides in Abu Dhabi and Dubai. But I would've thought he'd have a couple more years of quality in him above the standard of the UAE league - am positive he could do a job in Holland or Belgium, possibly even Ligue Un.
