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TheJam wrote:
A great band. Their Stresss ("with a treble s") single is one of the nineties top singles. The lead singer - Matty Blag - was a former NF member who saw the light. Sadly, he killed himself circa 2000, he had a few 'issues". They still play with a new lead man, calling themselves Blaggers AKA.
The whole thing was more than simple street fighting. What they were saying was that these bastards are too dumb to sit down and talk to, the only thing they understand is violence so let's talk to them in their language. It's a shame they didn't get bigger and spread their message way further.

As Woody Guthrie said "This guitar kills fascists". The Blaggers wanted to take this literally.


Bringing back the memories now - Stresss is indeed an absolute scorcher (must chuck it on when I get home) and I had totally forgotten about the lead singer. I still think the 'let's beat them (literally) at their own game' argument is equally dumb though
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HarryHotspur wrote:

Bringing back the memories now - Stresss is indeed an absolute scorcher (must chuck it on when I get home) and I had totally forgotten about the lead singer. I still think the 'let's beat them (literally) at their own game' argument is equally dumb though
 
Oh yeah, it was never going to work, and, frankly, I don't think Blaggers ever intended that to really happen. They were just saying that if violence is what it takes, maybe violence is what we have to turn to. it was more a philosophy than a plan of action.
The two b-sides to Stresss, called The Way To Die and Wildside are just as good as the a-side.
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I had their first CD (God knows where it is now) and I remember it started with what sounded like some bloke shooting hostages! Can you confirm this, Jammo? kiwi pie2008-06-24 18:53:11
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Their first album was called On Yer Toes, followed by Blaggamuffin, a 6 track (I think) minialbum. I don't have either, both are now impossibly rare. Then came a couple of comps (United Colours of Blagger and f**k Fascism...) before Bad Karma, which was their major label (EMI) debut. It bombed and they were dropped by the label.
Bad Karma is the album most here in NZ would have, as it got quite decent distribution. But the first track off it "The Hits" didn't have the sound efffects you described.
So, without the first two albums which I mentioned I can't really answer the question. Maybe the album titles will jog your memory.
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TheJam wrote:
As Woody Guthrie said "This guitar kills fascists". The Blaggers wanted to take this literally.
I saw Billy Bragg earlier this year and he played 'Ingrid Bergma" and gave a running commentary on what Guthrie was thinking when he wrote it.
 
 
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My favourite live Chumbawamba recording is from 1986 and entitled "rich popstars make good socialists", with a picture of Bragg on the front. Oh, how the worm turned...although pehaps not really the Chumbas doing.

Back to Blaggers - the best track: Slam. Think it might have been the United Colurs LP with the screaming and stuff.HarryHotspur2008-06-25 14:24:19
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Yeah, Slam is one of the best tracks off the excellent Bad Karma album, with it, Stresss and Oxygen probably my three faves..
And I love Woody Guthrie. "Sinking of the Rueben James" is probably my favourite track, up there with stuff like "Lindberg", "The Rising Sun Blues" and "We Shall Be Free"
Do people know that the car ad on TV where the dumbass loses his keys features Woody Guthrie's "The Car Song"?
"Take me for a ride in the car, car,
I'll take you for a ride in the car".
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Speaking of Chumbawamba, I'm a huge fan. They took so much sh*t for Tubthumping but the fact is that they had been writing great, meaningful music with a pop slant for years.
It just so happened with Tubthumping (and consequently the Tubthumper album) that they wrote something that could be on general release and pushed on the radio etc as the expletives were fairly mild (the line "pissing the night away" being almost inaudible on first listen).
Earlier stuff, like Mouthful Of sh*t and Heaven/Hell, both off the Anarchy album, were both pop classics but were too crude to be played and therefore heard to the/by the mainstream.
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TheJam wrote:
Their first album was called On Yer Toes, followed by Blaggamuffin, a 6 track (I think) minialbum. I don't have either, both are now impossibly rare. Then came a couple of comps (United Colours of Blagger and f**k Fascism...) before Bad Karma, which was their major label (EMI) debut. It bombed and they were dropped by the label.
Bad Karma is the album most here in NZ would have, as it got quite decent distribution. But the first track off it "The Hits" didn't have the sound efffects you described.
So, without the first two albums which I mentioned I can't really answer the question. Maybe the album titles will jog your memory.
 
Ah, the CD I had was "United Colours...", I assumed it was their first album...
 
Also, was there any connection between Chumbawamba and CRASS? I thought I read that there was.
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Hmmm...Chumbawamba were probably the bastard offspring of Crass, but whether there was any connection, not sure. Possibility in Danbert Nobacon (who will forever be a legend for his dumping of iced water on Two Jags Prescott: and a really effective way of getting the cool brittania press to leave you alone after all the Tubthumping malarky)?

Yup they had a great pop hook from the early days, I guess Anarchy was where it all came together, but the Slap and Shhh! releases were as much a pop record of synthesised tunes as any.

I had to sell my vinyl collection to get the petrol I needed to get to Heathrow to fly out here, but the Pictures of starving children LP was (along with the Elctro Hippies Peel Session) one I couldn't part with. Under my work desk as I type!HarryHotspur2008-06-25 17:04:38
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HarryHotspur wrote:
Hmmm...Chumbawamba were probably the bastard offspring of Crass, but whether there was any connection, not sure. Possibility in Danbert Nobacon (who will forever be a legend for his dumping of iced water on Two Jags Prescott: and a really effective way of getting the cool brittania press to leave you alone after all the Tubthumping malarky)?

Yup they had a great pop hook from the early days, I guess Anarchy was where it all came together, but the Slap and Shhh! releases were as much a pop record of synthesised tunes as any.
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There is no connection between Crass and Chumbawamba personnel-wise and there never has been. The only real connection is that the first release bearing the Chumbawamba name on vinyl was the Crass Records compilation album called Bullsh*t Detector. They had released only a cassette before that.
I haven't got Slap, but I can recommend Shhh!, a damned good album. Also, English Rebel songs is well worth getting, but is quite different from everything else they've done. It's a series of acapella folk versions of olde English rebel ditties, as the name suggests.,
TheJam2008-06-25 23:02:37
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Ha! I really struggled with the English Rebel songs release although did like the poignancy of the WW song about Privates on the Barbed Wire Fence (quite timeless, considering continued global conflict).

Their best acapella song, in my opinion, is 'The day the Nazi died' a rousing ditty if ever I heard one. Not sure if it ever got on vinyl, but live it was a corker.

Can you recommend the (and I might be misquoting the title here) 'Sportestra' release, which I think the Chumbas were behind? A load of sport influenced songs, which could be quite amusing.
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I was a fan of Pop Will Eat Itself and Half Man Half Biscuit, from around that era.
 
I rather like Placebo, was listening to them this very morning. Strangely enough!

Apparently I'm apathetic, but I couldn't care less.

"Being a Partick Thistle fan sets you apart. It means youre a free thinker. It also means your team has no money." Tim Luckhurst, The Independent, 4th December 2003

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HarryHotspur wrote:
Ha! I really struggled with the English Rebel songs release although did like the poignancy of the WW song about Privates on the Barbed Wire Fence (quite timeless, considering continued global conflict).

Their best acapella song, in my opinion, is 'The day the Nazi died' a rousing ditty if ever I heard one. Not sure if it ever got on vinyl, but live it was a corker.

Can you recommend the (and I might be misquoting the title here) 'Sportestra' release, which I think the Chumbas were behind? A load of sport influenced songs, which could be quite amusing.
 
"Hanging On The Old Barbed Wire" is indeed brilliant. "If you want to find the general I know where he is, I know where he is, I know where he is...."
The Day The Nazi Died didn't make it onto an album as such, but a live version is on the Chumba compilation Uneasy Listening. There is a studio version on the Homophobia CD single (along with the excellent Morality Play), which I have, but I'm pretty sure it has never made it onto an album.
As for the album you mention, I'm pretty sure it was called Sportchestra (as in Orchestra) and it was Chumba plus other musicians. I'm also pretty sure it came out during their days on the AgitPop label, which was in the late eighties/early nineties. I've only heard of it - never actually heard it- so I can't say much else about it.
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Another point about Chumbawamba, one of their former members has the coolest name in music, Simon Commonknowledge.
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Jag wrote:
I was a fan of Pop Will Eat Itself and Half Man Half Biscuit, from around that era.
 
I rather like Placebo, was listening to them this very morning. Strangely enough!
 
I liked the first album but I haven't really heard anything since. I remember 36 Degrees and Bruise Pristine fondly.
I have the famous HMHB single All I Want For Christmas Is A Dukla Prague Away Kit. Unbeknownst to most, it's actually about Subbuteo. It's very cool.
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TheJam wrote:
Another point about Chumbawamba, one of their former members has the coolest name in music, Simon Commonknowledge.


The drummer from The Moldy Peaches was called Strictly Beats, that's pretty damn cool too.
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I always liked Bob Mould's name. Very punk rock, and when you consider that it is his real name, then it's even better.
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Rolling Stones, Slade, Rory Gallagher

Oi Oi Edgecumbe... lets have a clean sheet

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And here was me thinking Oi Polloi and other oi! punk bands
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I can't believe this a thread about "favourite rock bands" and not one of you pussies has mentioned The Stooges yet? It's the f**king Stooges man!
 
On the upside this is a great call:
 
TheJam wrote:
And finally, two political bands among my faves, Redskins (socialists, "walk like the Clash and sing like The Supremes) and Blaggers ITA (anti-fascist militants; "take Extreme Measures").
 
The Redskins "walk like the Clash and sing like the Supremes" mantra is the greatest statement of intent by a band ever. They almost lived up to it too.
 
As for The Blaggers, I might not have agreed with everything they said but I always kind of liked the fact that they existed. And musically they were awesome.
 

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I've always thought The Stooges to be overrated. They are OK, but nothing like as good as they are made out to be. Raw Power and Funhouse are good albums, but not great. I actually prefer some of Iggy's solo stuff, especially Soldier, with Loco Mosquito and Dog Food being my two favourite ever Iggster tracks.
I much prefer MC5 to The Stooges, especially the Back In The USA album. Human Being Lawnmower and American Ruse are absolute classics, and Let Me Try and Looking At You are two of the most powerful vocal performances ever put to vinyl. rob tyner had The Voice.
And before anyone asks, no, I didn't see "MC5" here a couple of years ago. Why? Cos it wasn't MC5. It was two of them (Kramer, Davis) with t**sers like Evan Dando helping out. I wouldn't pay any money to see anything Dando is involved with. The guy's an uber-jerk.
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Redskins. I could talk all day about them. Their only studio album, Neither Washington Nor Moscow, was recently voted in the top fifty of all British albums ever made, that's how good they were. If you don't have it your life is poorer for it.
Their first single, Lev Bronstein b/w Peasant army was them before they embraced the horn sections and "got soul" and is one of the great lost punk rock classics. It's also very rare, you get one copy on Ebay every six months or so, usually going for up to 50 quid. I've got it, bought it circa 1985 for a lot less than that.
I've also got a whole lot of unreleased rarities including live covers of Complete Control, Back In The USSR, Tracks Of My Tears and Skinhead Moonstomp. They are an absolutely fantastic band, certainly in my top ten of all time.
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Hmmmm, I think you're being a bit harsh on The Stooges there but I definitely agree with you re: the MC5. In fact, I would say that The Who, The MC5 and The Stooges are the only three rock bands from the 60's that really matter for me (definitely "no Elvis, Beatles or the Rolling Stones"). That's being a little unfair on a few other bands (like Love, "7 and 7 is" is a classic) but those three bands really broke down the walls and set a course away from the mainstream for so many other great bands to follow.


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The Verve.

You might think they only do ballads, but listen to The Rolling People
or
Come On


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terminator_x wrote:
Hmmmm, I think you're being a bit harsh on The Stooges there but I definitely agree with you re: the MC5. In fact, I would say that The Who, The MC5 and The Stooges are the only three rock bands from the 60's that really matter for me (definitely "no Elvis, Beatles or the Rolling Stones"). That's being a little unfair on a few other bands (like Love, "7 and 7 is" is a classic) but those three bands really broke down the walls and set a course away from the mainstream for so many other great bands to follow.

 
I like a lot of sixties music, but almost all of it is fairly obscure, at least to "classic hits" listeners.
Like any era, the majority of sixties chart music was terrible, but looking just below it you'll find the real gold. Bands like Ohio Express, the Beau Brummels, 13 Floor Elevators, The Seeds, The 1910 Fruitgum Company etc had bits of chart success but the majority of their music is not known to most. This is the real good stuff, along with others like Electric Prunes, Strawberry Alarm Clock, The Elastik Band etc etc. The Nuggets box set is a great starting point.
The Rolling Stones I never really liked, and that's mainly because what most consider their best work I think to be their worst. Jumpin Jack Flash, Satisfaction etc are just crap. whereas a track like Under My Thumb is just plain brilliant. One thing that puts me off is that they just haven't had the guts to call it a day, which should have happened twenty-five years ago. (See my signature at the bottom of this post.)
The Who were a great band when they were still mods. When they grew their hair and released Who's Next they became another boring rock band.
In my opinion the exception to the "chart" rule is the Beatles. They thoroughly deserve their position and status as the greatest band ever. Their ability to write with variety is unsurpassed. Take these examples; Do You Want To Know A Secret?, Ob La Di Ob La Da, Got To Get You Into My Life and Yellow Submarine. Four tracks that were so different, so diverse, they just had to be by different acts, but weren't. They were able to transcend genre and still sound like The Beatles. Effing geniuses.
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Jamster, I still want to know- did Clappers have three top ten singles in three different guises, ala Mr Weller?
 
 
Not a Clapton fan, just curious.
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Yeah, he did. For Your Love (Yardbirds), Layla ( Derek and the Dominos) and I Shot The Sheriff (solo). I'd've thought he would have had one with Creem too, but apparently they never hit the top 10 in the UK.
Paul McCartney, not surprisingly, achieved the same; any one of many with The Beatles, Mull Of Kintyre and others (Wings) and No More Lonely Nights and others (solo). He also made number one with Michael Jackson and with Stevie Wonder. Overachiever.
Paul Weller was the third artist to achieve this.
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TheJam wrote:
I like a lot of sixties music, but almost all of it is fairly obscure, at least to "classic hits" listeners. Like any era, the majority of sixties chart music was terrible, but looking just below it you'll find the real gold. Bands like Ohio Express, the Beau Brummels, 13 Floor Elevators, The Seeds, The 1910 Fruitgum Company etc had bits of chart success but the majority of their music is not known to most. This is the real good stuff, along with others like Electric Prunes, Strawberry Alarm Clock, The Elastik Band etc etc. The Nuggets box set is a great starting point.[/QUOTE]

I agree. Just about everything else from the sixties of interest to me can be summed up with one word - Nuggets. The Sonics, The Monks, Count Five, The Standells, the list goes on.

[QUOTE=TheJam]The Who were a great band when they were still mods. When they grew their hair and released Who's Next they became another boring rock band.


Yeah, I'm definitely only talking about the sixties Who. The stuff they did then cut a template for a lot of other great bands - unfortunately they weren't one of them!

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I saw The who a couple of years ago and they rocked my f**king socks off!! I got a free ticket and thought I'd go along for a lark...dude, they killed the joint!
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That's cool, but were you a really big fan of theirs before then?

I love it when you see a band live and suddenly it all makes sense. I was never really into Sonic Youth and then I saw them live and they were amazing. Still can't listen to an entire Sonic Youth album though! And the number of times I've seen a support band blow the band I really went to see off the stage and then had to head for the record store the next day!

On the subject of favourite rock bands and great live bands - Sugar. The best rock band of the nineties. Copper Blue is one of my favourite albums ever and definitely Bob Mould's best work.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=nGR5HOfKwfM

http://youtube.com/watch?v=5ku23nZkukE

http://youtube.com/watch?v=XkvUFdKXavY

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i love sonic youth, saw them play daydream nation in its entirety earlier this year - great experience
I like tautologies because I like them.
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MGMT - Time To Pretend http://nz.youtube.com/watch?v=XVnRzEjpUmE
Animal Collective - Peacebone http://nz.youtube.com/watch?v=fxvGHQHiY70
Of Montreal - Heimdalsgate Like A Promethean Curse http://nz.youtube.com/watch?v=5VeIL7juFE0
Architecture in Helsinki - Kindling http://nz.youtube.com/watch?v=ZIDUpzsTK1A
Saturday Looks Good To Me - Alcohol http://nz.youtube.com/watch?v=LEH7nv73iuY
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terminator_x wrote:


On the subject of favourite rock bands and great live bands - Sugar. The best rock band of the nineties. Copper Blue is one of my favourite albums ever and definitely Bob Mould's best work.

 
No it's not, Husker Du's Candy Apple Grey and New Day Rising are both better, as is his solo album Black Sheets Of Rain. In fact, I'd go so far as to say that Black Sheets Of Rain is the most brilliantly depressing album ever recorded, miles more so than, say, Joy Div's Unknown Pleasures. and If You Want Me Out Of Your life is one of the best songs he's ever written. Sugar I like, but Husker Du...
I'm going to start raving again but I adore them. Combine a songwriter as brilliant as Bob Mould with another songwriter only marginally behind him in Grant Hart and a bassist as great as greg Norton and that's one hell of a band.
When I said that Candy Apple Grey and New Day Rising were among the best with Bob Mould's name on them, that doesn't mean I don't like Flip Your Wig, or Metal Circus or Zen Arcade even the much criticised Warehouse Songs and Stories. they are all essential albums for true music fans. In fact the only Husker Ddu album not worth owning is Land Speed Record, which is unlistenable garbage.
Favourite tracks; Crystal, Divide and Conquer, Real World, Books About UFOs, Diane, Find Me, Eiffel Tower High, She Floated Away... could go on all night.
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Fair enough, when it comes to Bob Mould it's pretty much ALL good.

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*minutes from a recent meeting of "I never rated Sugar Anonymous"
 
Hi everybody, my name's Kiwi Pie, and I never really rated Sugar.
 
 
Hi Kiwi Pie!
 
 
It started when I first heard them in like 92 or 93 and I was really underwhelmed...I liked Husker Du, so maybe I was expecting Husker Du II...that was unfair of me but Sugar just left me cold. I'm sure it's because my taste wasn't sophisticated enough, or that I was too badly bitten by the grunge bug, but I guess it's too late now...
 
I'm sorry, I have to go now, I'm running late for my "I never really dug Jeff Buckley anonymous" meeting.
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I'm in your camp re Sugar, KP. That song that was linked was okay, tending towards meh. Suffice to say I'm hardly checking Youtube for other songs of theirs.
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TheJam wrote:
Cosimo wrote:
Though average music can get you places if you have a marketable image. Sadly.


HELL yeah - look at The Feelers FFS. Or Coldplay, or Opshop, or...[to infinity...]
 
U2 stand out as a shining example. As do Queen. I've never understood how either got to be so big.
because queen are f**king amazing, thats why.
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