Things that piss you off...

You obviously know me so well. 

Rascism is an abomination, but certain rascism is totally accepted by the Yellow Fever, & probably yourself, when you chant some of the rascist chants you do ( but let’s not dwell on that because it doesn’t fit your argument!)

You saying I perceive myself as “strong & tough”, I don’t, it’s YOU that has perceived that!

Vulnerable people are not weak. Weak people are vulnerable, there is a significant difference!

If I have offended anyone (which I obviously have), I do not regret anything I have said. The thing that pisses me off is when people follow the herd, & take everything literally, when a joke is made, the bleeding heart PC brigade are offended on behalf of others!

Sticks & Stones............etc. 

I obviously didn’t feel like stopping you breathing, did I ?

That is totally different from me saying “I WILL stop you breathing”!!

Misinterpretation pisses me off. 

KH - I'd stop posting if I was you. 

What if I’m offended by that?

It's a bit different than threatening violence though. 

KH see my above post.

• Do you know the people you are abusing well enough? Do you know how your comments may affect them?
• No racism is acceptable. Zero. The behaviour we ignore is the behaviour we accept.
• You are on here physically threatening people. How else can that be perceived?
•  I implied it was weak by you - nothing about them.
• Follow the herd? Racism follows the herd, picking on minorities follows the herd. You're the sheep in this situation - sick group mentality.

You are correct. 

This group does have a sick mentality (the bleeding heart, I’m a victim, mentality!!) hence the reason, very few people are on here, nowadays, compared to a few years ago (along with the under performance of the team & the under-performance of WELNIX, with regards to their commitment to Wellington!)

“Same old Aussies, Always cheating” Rascist or not? Acceptable, or not?

Brilliant lunch time reading for Monday this last page and a half. Cheers lads!

Great to see Kiwi Hatter bringing back this classic chant with a new twist.

god that was a fantastic read - pity about the content

If they're a race, they're losing it.

I just read this thread and am firmly AGAINST KiwiHatter's opinions. I feel that the comments made at the game were entirely inappropriate, and I'm surprised and dismayed to see him doubling down in this thread. 

HOWEVER, you've got to say he's got a point with this. 

It is technically a racist chant is it not? 

And before someone tries again with the "australia is not a race" technicality, that's absolute rubbish sorry. It's entirely comparable to the Singh comment that was made, which was clearly putting all Indians in a generic box in order to produce the humour, in the same way the Australian chant is. 

The Australian one SEEMS less derogatory, and more humorous, but I can't actually see how it's much different in reality. 

You could even call it xenophobic if you wanted to.

Sticks & Stones............etc. 

I used to say that Sticks and stones may break my bones but words will never hurt me........................until I fell into a printing press

Reality is that Australians are NOT a race.

All depends on if you view an old white dude tagging a young brown kid on the team he supports with some racially stereotypical language for his own brief sad amusement as the same as sledging every Aussie (or non-Aussie, given imports) on the opposition, regardless of ethnicity, with cheating at the game you're watching, doesn't it?

I reckon there's a difference between the two tbh. KH doesn't. But he would say that, wouldn't he?

It's also reasonably ironic because half our team's Australian.

That is probably why we are not winning.

Yep, one thing that Herbert said that makes sense is that at some point the players need to step up and show that they want a professional team in NZ.

Amused.

Context. 

It’s a sporting fixture against an Australian side, where we perceive them to have just cheated in some way. 

Historically there is a friendly sporting rivalry between the two countries, the defining incident of which involved perceived cheating by the Australians. It’s basically just a reference to the under arm incident. 

I don’t think that’s even close to being the same as the Singh comment. 

It’s also not so much the comment that was made, but the aggressive reaction after someone pointed out that they found it offensive. 

That was an interesting read with hints of racism, violence and potentially even hooligisim. In Auckland of all places. 

But somewhat difficult to follow if one was not there 

Can someone who was there and is relatively impartial and sensible provide a summary of what actually happened?

Ageist, Rascist & Sexist!

Come on cupcake, you can do better than that. 

So, Historical Rascism is OK?

(Will you delete this one as well?)

I get pissed off when Tegal claims that historical Rascism is ok, but then deletes my questioning if historical rascism is OK. 

Add Tegal to the list!

Ok Bambi, lets go through your points one by one. 

You take offence. I didn’t give it, YOU took it. 

Did I try to give you a hiding, or throw rocks at you?

There are much more thought provoking questions being asked about where the FEVER is!

Yes I did want a cheap joke, because the FEVER has become devoid of humour. 

Your acceptable, is not everyone’s acceptable. Deal with it. 

Others can form their own opinions, they don’t need bleeding heart liberals to tell them how they should react. 

You DID take offence. Others didn’t. I respect you for standing up for your opinions to be heard. 

I say what I want to, I don’t listen to numpties, who think they are in charge. 

You claiming I pick on easier targets, is your opinion (I know some gay guys who are definitely not easy targets!)

Calling me old, is Ageism, but apparently that’s ok! Me telling you to shut the FUCK up, apparently is not!

I like to amuse myself, & my comment was in direct reply to the FEVER ELITE singing we all want a team of Sarpreet Singhs. It was social commentary on the fact that the majority of dairies & cornershops are owned & run by, very hard working, friendly business owners that either hail from the Indian subcontinent, or have their heritage from there. 

Please excuse me, as I must retire to my bed, after a long drive home from Auckland, I want to be fully alert before I go & do a few jobs for my friends tomorrow. They also happen to be a gay, Maori & Polynesian couple, not that that has any bearing on things!

I haven’t deleted anything. 

Best of luck in continuing to explain your sense of humour in relation to the future of the Fever, KH.

If you really think the Fever is a humourless PC void maybe find some of your gay, polynesian friends who like racist, homophobic jokes and stand with them instead? You can threaten their lives too if you want.

Sorry but the waving away of the australian chant as ok but the singh comment not being ok, does not wash at all. 

Balbi, your comment about an old white guy harrassing a young brown kid doesn't wash either. What does KH's race and age have to do with anything? Unless you are stereotyping him here for your own gain in the debate? Doesn't that completely go against everything you apparently stand for? Why are you actively disparaging someone's viewpoint due to the colour of their skin, and their age? That's awfully hypocritical.

And why the significance of Singh's skin colour? Even KH's terrible comments didn't mention that. We can only infer that due to the fact that almost all Indians have brown skin. Is it different then if it was a young white kid instead of a young brown kid eg "don't give that greek the ball, he'll batter and deep-fry it" or something else totally abhorrent like that? I know that's a silly question but just pointing out that nobody, not even KH, actually talked about skin colour here, so to use it as the club to beat with is totally unnecessary. 

I'll accept that Australian is not a race, but NEITHER IS INDIAN. The country of India is massively diverse, people in neighbouring villages have different religions, different languages, different belief systems, it's just as arrogant and naive to paint all Indians as a collective non-race thing as it is Australians. 

Even if we ignore that, and say ok, Australian is not a race but Indian is, are we then saying racism is not ok, but xenophobia is? Really? 

I had to laugh at the statement "KH thinks they're no different but he would say that". What about me? I don't think they're much different, but I've got no skin in this game at all. I've not seen any coherent and sensible argument to my post at all here, just a bunch of noise from a bunch of "white guys" (joke) who think they know better than everyone. 

I'd rather hear from Singh, and an Aussie who is offended by the cheating chant, and see what they think about it. And before you say no one is offended in Australia, I bet I could find people if I had the time. 

My mother-in-law recently told me she was dismayed by the Mitre 10 ad with the aussie kid who refuses to help, and is derided by the kiwi kids, she said to me isn't that xenophobic? I had a giggle, but then later I was thinking, well she's not wrong you know. I'm not offended by it and I think most aussies would have a laugh, but where do we draw the line, and who decides on the placement of that line? Apparently Balbi and others in here are the judge of that, but I'm not sure what qualified them for it. The ability to shout people down? 

Once again, I'm compelled to add the disclaimer that personally I found KH's statements terrible, and I would have equally confronted him was I at that game. I also feel the need to salute Balbi and others for doing so, despite what I say above. I am purely arguing here that I think the comparison between the Singh comment, and the cheating Aussies chant, is entirely fair. 

This doesn't mean I want to decide where the line is either, or ban the chant, or anything really. I just find it a fascinating discussion point that is relevant to the debate currently happening in our culture, and I don't see any good explanation as to why these two things are vastly different. 

I mean this is just silly. I'm sure KH will argue (and he has), that he also had context for his "humour", in that an unusually large porportion of dairies in NZ were/are owned by people from the sub-continent. 

His sense of humour would once have been considered funny, but is now outdated, and is really not accepted at all. For example, I was at a cricket match at the Basin Reserve in the mid-nineties, against Pakistan, and two guys literally carried an enormous banner round the ground that said "Who is minding the Dairy". Nobody complained, many laughed, and people moved on. This is also unacceptable, and thankfully would never be condoned today.

I imagine us calling the aussies cheats, and them calling us sheep-shaggers, will also be frowned upon, and not done at some point in the future, if our culture continues its current trend of moving further and further away from the tacit acceptance of this sort of thing.

Also, agree with Tegal on the last sentence there. This is totally fair enough. You really need to pull your head in KH and realise that times have changed, and this was actually not cool at all bro. 

Krishna and Singh are two of the only bright spots in this season.

Without gay people, there would be no high-quality women's football at all.

I have two half-Fijian Indian nieces now, either of whom may be gay, we don't know yet, and I take this shark personally now.

This  thing has been blown out of all proportion.

You weren't there, Leggy

It’s nice that you can take offence on behalf of your nieces, “either of whom may be gay, (but you) don’t know yet”!!!

Would you say the same if your nieces were straight? Not that it’s any of my business, or that I give a tinkers cuss!

(Apologies to the Gypsies that might take offence!! I seem to recall Besart Berisha being referred to as a Gypo, but that’s ok apparently!)

I wasn't there either, and I do apologise for seemingly hijacking some of this conversation. 

My argument is purely in regards to comparing the Aussie chant and the racist Singh comment, and is of minor importance to the overall discussion. 

Neither were the other 15000 that are Auckland’s great support for the Phoenix!!