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Now now, let's not go there HN..  Jag2008-03-06 16:32:21

Apparently I'm apathetic, but I couldn't care less.

"Being a Partick Thistle fan sets you apart. It means youre a free thinker. It also means your team has no money." Tim Luckhurst, The Independent, 4th December 2003

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Salmon07 wrote:
finally- a question for the stats geeks- is a shot that hits the post/bar a shot on target?


Statistically it�s counted as a shot off-target.
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Hard News wrote:
Jag wrote:
Official Looking Disclaimer thingy:
Any refereeing opinions expressed by Jag in this thread are personal  and do not necessarily reflect those of any NZ Referees' Association. Just in case, can't be too careful!!!


Yeah, you don't want it to Quack you on the head...


Yeah what was with that guy...
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There was a rule maybe two years ago (has since be changed) that said if there is free kick to the defending team in thier own goalbox, then the free kick could be taken anywhere within the goalbox.

So if the goalkeeper was fouled a yard out from his goal line, he was able to take the free kick at the edge of the 18 yard box if he wanted.
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el grapadura wrote:
Salmon07 wrote:
finally- a question for the stats geeks- is a shot that hits the post/bar a shot on target?


Statistically it�s counted as a shot off-target.
Dumb really
 
cos a shot saved by the keeper is a shot on target even if its well off, whereas a cross bar shot, potentially closer is counted as off target!
 
 

Salmon swim upstream

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2ndBest wrote:

There was a rule maybe two years ago (has since be changed) that said if there is free kick to the defending team in thier own goalbox, then the free kick could be taken anywhere within the goalbox.

So if the goalkeeper was fouled a yard out from his goal line, he was able to take the free kick at the edge of the 18 yard box if he wanted.


?????

That's a new one on me. Anywhere in the 6 yard box maybe.

Apparently I'm apathetic, but I couldn't care less.

"Being a Partick Thistle fan sets you apart. It means youre a free thinker. It also means your team has no money." Tim Luckhurst, The Independent, 4th December 2003

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about 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Salmon07 wrote:
el grapadura wrote:
Salmon07 wrote:
finally- a question for the stats geeks- is a shot that hits the post/bar a shot on target?


Statistically it�s counted as a shot off-target.
Dumb really
 
cos a shot saved by the keeper is a shot on target even if its well off, whereas a cross bar shot, potentially closer is counted as off target!
 
 
 
so, if that is true why wasn't Gerrard's shot v Jaskilainin (sp?) credited to Gerrard - as it was 'on target' and went in
 
and if it was officially off target and he'd struck it with 5 seconds of injury time left (and if no other shots had previously been on target) then liverpool could have won one -nil having had no shots on target
 
what a complex universe we inhabit
 
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tigers wrote:
Salmon07 wrote:
el grapadura wrote:
Salmon07 wrote:
finally- a question for the stats geeks- is a shot that hits the post/bar a shot on target?
Statistically it�s counted as a shot off-target.

Dumb really


cos a shot saved by the keeper is a shot on target even if its well off, whereas a cross bar shot, potentially closer is counted as off target!




so, if that is true why wasn't Gerrard's shot v Jaskilainin (sp?) credited to Gerrard - as it was 'on target' and went in


and if it was officially off target and he'd struck it with 5 seconds of injury time left (and if no other shots had previously been on target) then liverpool could have won one -nil having had no shots on target


what a complex universe we inhabit



Personally, I�m a bit annoyed by the creeping in of various stats in the coverage of games - football�s not really statistically driven sport like cricket and baseball are for example. I mean all the stats about passes attempted and completed, does that really signify anything in football? You could theoraticallycomplete 100% of your passes if you play simple square balls, but it�s really the defence splitting passes that matter - you can try and fail to complete those 10 times in a game, but if you get them right once or twice, it can make all the difference.

All right, rant over.
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Statiscally speaking 1000 of your 1354 posts have been rants
the Forum equivalent of a 5 yard side pass
 
This, however, is a defence splitting long ball!

Salmon swim upstream

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Jag wrote:
2ndBest wrote:

There was a rule maybe two years ago (has since be changed) that said if there is free kick to the defending team in thier own goalbox, then the free kick could be taken anywhere within the goalbox.

So if the goalkeeper was fouled a yard out from his goal line, he was able to take the free kick at the edge of the 18 yard box if he wanted.


?????

That's a new one on me. Anywhere in the 6 yard box maybe.
 
Yer I couldn't beleive when I read it the first time.  Read it four time and then got someone else to read it  to make sure I wasn't losing my mind. From memory I am pretty sure it was the 18 yard box.
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2ndBest wrote:
Jag wrote:
2ndBest wrote:

There was a rule maybe two years ago (has since be changed) that said if there is free kick to the defending team in thier own goalbox, then the free kick could be taken anywhere within the goalbox.

So if the goalkeeper was fouled a yard out from his goal line, he was able to take the free kick at the edge of the 18 yard box if he wanted.


?????

That's a new one on me. Anywhere in the 6 yard box maybe.
 
Yer I couldn't beleive when I read it the first time.  Read it four time and then got someone else to read it  to make sure I wasn't losing my mind. From memory I am pretty sure it was the 18 yard box.


Law 13 - Free Kicks

Position of Free Kick
Free Kick Inside the Penalty Area
Direct or indirect free kick to the defending team:
� all opponents are at least 9.15 m (10 yds) from the ball
� all opponents remain outside the penalty area until the ball is in
play
� the ball is in play when it is kicked directly beyond the penalty
area
� a free kick awarded in the goal area is taken from any point inside
that area


The goal area being the 6 yard box
ginger_eejit2008-03-07 09:56:43

When Hibs, went up, to win the Scottish Cup - I wisnae there - furfuxake!

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Nice one Ginger. Thought I was going mad there for a second, anywhere in the penalty area indeed! What a strange idea!

Apparently I'm apathetic, but I couldn't care less.

"Being a Partick Thistle fan sets you apart. It means youre a free thinker. It also means your team has no money." Tim Luckhurst, The Independent, 4th December 2003

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about 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
ginger_eejit wrote:
2ndBest wrote:
Jag wrote:
2ndBest wrote:

There was a rule maybe two years ago (has since be changed) that said if there is free kick to the defending team in thier own goalbox, then the free kick could be taken anywhere within the goalbox.

So if the goalkeeper was fouled a yard out from his goal line, he was able to take the free kick at the edge of the 18 yard box if he wanted.


?????

That's a new one on me. Anywhere in the 6 yard box maybe.
 
Yer I couldn't beleive when I read it the first time.  Read it four time and then got someone else to read it  to make sure I wasn't losing my mind. From memory I am pretty sure it was the 18 yard box.


Law 13 - Free Kicks

Position of Free Kick
Free Kick Inside the Penalty Area
Direct or indirect free kick to the defending team:
� all opponents are at least 9.15 m (10 yds) from the ball
� all opponents remain outside the penalty area until the ball is in
play
� the ball is in play when it is kicked directly beyond the penalty
area
� a free kick awarded in the goal area is taken from any point inside
that area


The goal area being the 6 yard box
 
This wouldnt apply when the goalie picks up a back-pass though eh?
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Pudleypool wrote:
ginger_eejit wrote:
2ndBest wrote:
Jag wrote:
2ndBest wrote:

There was a rule maybe two years ago (has since be changed) that said if there is free kick to the defending team in thier own goalbox, then the free kick could be taken anywhere within the goalbox.

So if the goalkeeper was fouled a yard out from his goal line, he was able to take the free kick at the edge of the 18 yard box if he wanted.


?????

That's a new one on me. Anywhere in the 6 yard box maybe.
 
Yer I couldn't beleive when I read it the first time.  Read it four time and then got someone else to read it  to make sure I wasn't losing my mind. From memory I am pretty sure it was the 18 yard box.


Law 13 - Free Kicks

Position of Free Kick
Free Kick Inside the Penalty Area
Direct or indirect free kick to the defending team:
� all opponents are at least 9.15 m (10 yds) from the ball
� all opponents remain outside the penalty area until the ball is in
play
� the ball is in play when it is kicked directly beyond the penalty
area
� a free kick awarded in the goal area is taken from any point inside
that area


The goal area being the 6 yard box
 
This wouldnt apply when the goalie picks up a back-pass though eh?


Indeed it wouldn't - for an indirect Free Kick to the attacking team in the penalty area (when a goalkeeper has picked up the ball from a pass from his on player)

Indirect free kick to the attacking team:
� all opponents are at least 9.15 m (10 yds) from the ball until it is
in play, unless they are on their own goal line between the goalposts
� the ball is in play when it is kicked and moves
� an indirect free kick awarded inside the goal area is taken from
that part of the goal area line which runs parallel to the goal line,
at the point nearest to where the infringement occurred

When Hibs, went up, to win the Scottish Cup - I wisnae there - furfuxake!

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about 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
 Indirect free-kick on the edge of the 6 yard box, if the keeper picks up a passback inside the 6 yard box.
 
 
Ginger, we should start charging for this..
Jag2008-03-07 10:44:53

Apparently I'm apathetic, but I couldn't care less.

"Being a Partick Thistle fan sets you apart. It means youre a free thinker. It also means your team has no money." Tim Luckhurst, The Independent, 4th December 2003

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about 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
arrr i probably read goal area and assumed it was the goal box. 
 
So what happens if there is a foul near the byline, within the penalty area but beyond the goal area.  Can we take it all the way to the edge of the goalbox.
2ndBest2008-03-07 10:49:24
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about 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
If it's outside the goal area (6 yard box in old money!), it's taken from where the offence occurs Jag2008-03-07 10:48:49

Apparently I'm apathetic, but I couldn't care less.

"Being a Partick Thistle fan sets you apart. It means youre a free thinker. It also means your team has no money." Tim Luckhurst, The Independent, 4th December 2003

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about 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Cheers
 
So essentially there should be no free kick (either attacking or defending) within the six yard box
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2ndBest wrote:
Cheers
 
So essentially there should be no free kick (either attacking or defending) within the six yard box


No - a defending team, can take a FK for an offence that occured in the goal area(6yd box), from anywhere in the goal area

An attacking team indirect FK for an offence in the goal area(6 yd box) is taken from a point of the goal area line, parrallel to the goal line closest to where the offence occurred
ginger_eejit2008-03-07 10:58:20

When Hibs, went up, to win the Scottish Cup - I wisnae there - furfuxake!

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Sorry being a GK i was reading what i wanted to read.
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about 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Is it true that if the defending team has an indirect free kick, and play it into their own goal without anyone else touching the ball, the result is a corner to the attacking team?
 
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That is correct, Sir, yes.

Apparently I'm apathetic, but I couldn't care less.

"Being a Partick Thistle fan sets you apart. It means youre a free thinker. It also means your team has no money." Tim Luckhurst, The Independent, 4th December 2003

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about 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
I'm going to try it
 
(Knowing my luck my keeper will try and stop it and get a touch though)
s2art2008-03-10 22:37:09
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Apparently I'm apathetic, but I couldn't care less.

"Being a Partick Thistle fan sets you apart. It means youre a free thinker. It also means your team has no money." Tim Luckhurst, The Independent, 4th December 2003

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dont do it in Welly - the ref will prob give the goal

Founder

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or book you for having a sense of humour
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Feverish wrote:
dont do it in Welly - the ref will prob give the goal




When Hibs, went up, to win the Scottish Cup - I wisnae there - furfuxake!

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tigers wrote:
or book you for having a sense of humour
 
Reminds me of the time when Hibs were playing Rangers and the ref dropped his cards on the pitch. Paul Gascoigne picked up the yellow card and 'booked' the referee, much to the amusement of the crowd. Sadly, the referee then proceeded to book Gazza for real for what he'd done. Sad really.
 
Jag2008-03-11 10:03:03

Apparently I'm apathetic, but I couldn't care less.

"Being a Partick Thistle fan sets you apart. It means youre a free thinker. It also means your team has no money." Tim Luckhurst, The Independent, 4th December 2003

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i think thats on the "9 in a Row" video that i have at home somewhere - pure class by Gazza
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That is pure class!

Queenslander 3x a year.

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almost 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
A new question: Is Ronaldo allowed to stop mid-runnup when taking a penalty? I was under the impression that once you had started your runnup you must continue moving forward until you strike the ball - he appears to stop completely.
 
 
s2art2008-04-21 22:17:44
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s2art wrote:
A new question: Is Ronaldo allowed to stop mid-runnup when taking a penalty? I was under the impression that once you had started your runnup you must continue moving forward until you strike the ball - he appears to stop completely. 
 
Found this for ya!:

Question 5a: Is it true that penalty takers are not allowed to stop their run, or hesitate once they have started moving forward to take the kick.

Answer 5a: If during the run-up, the penalty taker deliberately stops his run (no matter for how long) and then continues on to kick the ball, this should be seen as unsporting behaviour. The kicker is allowed to feint and conceal his intention from the goalkeeper but he must approach the ball in a single continuous movement. It is not allowed, for example, to fake a kick and then shoot in one direction after the keeper has jumped in another.

If the ball does not enter the goal, the referee stops play and restarts the match with an indirect free kick to the defending team.

It is legal, if during the run-up, the penalty taker deliberately shimmies whilst continuously running forwards to kick the ball. A goal should be allowed if the ball enters the goal. The greatest asset a penalty takers has, is the ability to trick the goalkeeper into diving the wrong way. The penalty kicker should not therefore be penalised for trying to achieve this, so long as this in not done in an unsporting manner.

Apparently I'm apathetic, but I couldn't care less.

"Being a Partick Thistle fan sets you apart. It means youre a free thinker. It also means your team has no money." Tim Luckhurst, The Independent, 4th December 2003

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Can I celebrate scoring by taking my shirt off (I dont play in the EPL and I dont look like Hard news)?

Founder

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Feverish wrote:
Can I celebrate scoring by taking my shirt off (I dont play in the EPL and I dont look like Hard news)?
 
If it was a home game, you'd probably have a wetsuit on underneath anyway.

Apparently I'm apathetic, but I couldn't care less.

"Being a Partick Thistle fan sets you apart. It means youre a free thinker. It also means your team has no money." Tim Luckhurst, The Independent, 4th December 2003

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Jag wrote:
s2art wrote:
A new question: Is Ronaldo allowed to stop mid-runnup when taking a penalty? I was under the impression that once you had started your runnup you must continue moving forward until you strike the ball - he appears to stop completely. 
 
 

Answer 5a: If during the run-up, the penalty taker deliberately stops his run (no matter for how long) and then continues on to kick the ball, this should be seen as unsporting behaviour. The kicker is allowed to feint and conceal his intention from the goalkeeper but he must approach the ball in a single continuous movement. It is not allowed, for example, to fake a kick and then shoot in one direction after the keeper has jumped in another.

If the ball does not enter the goal, the referee stops play and restarts the match with an indirect free kick to the defending team.

 
i thought that was dodgy at the time, i wonder why the commnetary team didn't pick it up (or for that matter the ref) ??
 
is it one rule for 'baby face' and another for the rest? or is 'baby face' allowed to change the rules for everyone? what if the 'big baby' wants to change them back next week when an opposition player cheats in the same way, will daddy Alex run on and punch the ref's dad for him?
 
in case I've been a little cryptic, Ronaldo -
 
i know he's a useful player - but i get sick of all the poncing and posing and the way the media laps it all up
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If the ball does not enter the goal, the referee stops play and restarts the match with an indirect free kick to the defending team.

What happens if the ball enters the goal but the player taking the penalty has hesitated, stopped what ever, does the kicker get a retake or what?
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Book, or warn, the kicker and order a retake:

The player taking the penalty kick infringes the Laws of the Game:

The Referee allows the kick to proceed.

If the ball enters the goal, the kick is retaken.

If the ball does not enter the goal, the referee stops play and restarts the match with an indirect free kick to the defending team, from the place where the infringement occurred.

Apparently I'm apathetic, but I couldn't care less.

"Being a Partick Thistle fan sets you apart. It means youre a free thinker. It also means your team has no money." Tim Luckhurst, The Independent, 4th December 2003

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Laws Of The Game 2007-2008 http://www.fifa.com/worldfootball/lawsofthegame.html

Page 124 Law 13 Free Kicks

"Feinting to take a free kick to confuse opponents is permitted as part of football. However, if in the opinion of the referee the feinting is considered an act of unsporting behaviour, the player shall be cautioned."

Page 125 Law 14 Penalty Kicks

"Feinting to take a penalty kick to confuse opponents is permitted as part of football. However, if in the opinion of the referee the feinting is considered an act of unsporting behaviour, the player shall be cautioned."

As a referee I would allow a player to dance up to the ball like a ballerina (for arguments sake) but I would enforce that the kicking motion (i.e the actual taking of the kick/leg motion/kicking the ball) is one solid continuous motion. If they start to 'kick' the ball, stop halfway through the motion and then continue, then that would be defined as unsporting behaviour to me.
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Jesus... the Quack's back... no one tell NZF. Hard News2008-04-22 12:40:14

How's my driving? - Whine here

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Hey,, Quackster!! Welcome back. Does this mean I can be relieved of my duties as the On Call Laws of the Game advisor?

Apparently I'm apathetic, but I couldn't care less.

"Being a Partick Thistle fan sets you apart. It means youre a free thinker. It also means your team has no money." Tim Luckhurst, The Independent, 4th December 2003

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