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DKP22 wrote:
Feverish wrote:

The club did actually know about the allegations when they signed him.

Can you elaborate ono your "doing it out of spite" call Granville? All he did was present the facts to a journo who may have approached him.
The Bay knew they would be opening a can of worms from day one.
 
Hopefully they will be deported before we play them on Sat
 
Judging by Keinzley's behavior during our match against Wairarapa and his behavior towards our Club President afterwards, he has had something against the club for a while it would seem.
 
Do you know for certain if they are facts?
 
i think island bay have shot themselves in the foot a number of times here, so dkp22 you can not go looking to blame keinzley for your clubs outright dumb steps following the release of this article.
 
firstly -if island bay did poach this player in the first place then that is their own stupidty and cannot blame kenizenly for disliking them and walking away from there after match.
then theres the dumbest thing ive probably heard out of all of this - is if island bay knew they were signing an overstayer and an "alleged" rapist - WHAT THE HELL were they thinking
 
from all reports ive heard or seen we should be laughing at island bay not wairarapa.
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I don't know why we keep having to re visit this steaming pile?!

Island Bay poached no-one and paid no-one.

Two players who were promised the world to change countries and play for team Keinzley were unhappy with Wairarapa, and looking to leave. They approached Island Bay unsolicited and Island Bay were happy to have both of them (because they are good players).

The ALLEGATIONS which one of these players is facing, (and may I remind all of you ba$tards who love to shoot first and ask questions later, that everyone is innocent until proven guilty) is yet to go through the system, and now thanks to errant and irresponsible journalism, he has already been deemed guilty by people who know absolutely nothing about it (and probably never will).

Mr Keinzley would have definitely come into Island Bays clubrooms had they beaten us, but as they didnt, it instantaniously started snowing on the Rimutaka's, and they couldnt even wait long enough for the Clubs Kitchen to bag up the Fish and Chips that had been prepared. Kudos to the snow scout which Mr Keinzley must have had standing on the mountains.

I just hope that someone overseas who is approached by any club to play in New Zealand seeks several opinions about the club, area and country itself before they sign up to something which could be as far from the truth as the promise of being a professional footballer living and playing in Wairarapa.
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two sides to every story I guess
perhaps he just doesnt like his team eating fish and chips?
It must have been hell over the hill I guess if he is happier getting no money to play and facing deportation through breaking his immigration requirements.
Anyway this is all off the topic of football a bit here - a bit more like Home and Away or something. Enough already.

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hassler wrote:
I don't know why we keep having to re visit this steaming pile?!

Island Bay poached no-one and paid no-one.

Two players who were promised the world to change countries and play for team Keinzley were unhappy with Wairarapa, and looking to leave. They approached Island Bay unsolicited and Island Bay were happy to have both of them (because they are good players).

The ALLEGATIONS which one of these players is facing, (and may I remind all of you ba$tards who love to shoot first and ask questions later, that everyone is innocent until proven guilty) is yet to go through the system, and now thanks to errant and irresponsible journalism, he has already been deemed guilty by people who know absolutely nothing about it (and probably never will).

Mr Keinzley would have definitely come into Island Bays clubrooms had they beaten us, but as they didnt, it instantaniously started snowing on the Rimutaka's, and they couldnt even wait long enough for the Clubs Kitchen to bag up the Fish and Chips that had been prepared. Kudos to the snow scout which Mr Keinzley must have had standing on the mountains.

I just hope that someone overseas who is approached by any club to play in New Zealand seeks several opinions about the club, area and country itself before they sign up to something which could be as far from the truth as the promise of being a professional footballer living and playing in Wairarapa.
 
question - maybe you or [DKP22] could answer or get some answers
 
did island bay know they were signing an overstayer and an "alleged" rapist (noticed i used same wording in last post - im no judge) ---- not a good look if they did.
 
wairarapa is no worse than western suburbs when it comes to aftermatchs.
Masty2008-07-23 17:09:50
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How can [we] answer that?

It's possible that some of the club knew that a potential player had charges laid against him at the time of transfer, but we're still living in a society which likes to talk about being innocent until proven guilty, and I'm 100% positive if we'd refused him based on his pending court case and he got the media attention Keinzley has been able to get, Island Bay would be labeled as denying him his right to a fair trial!

There was no ''Overstayer" and there wouldn't have been if Keinzley hadn't felt jilted and withdrawn the clubs support. The guy in question had a job and wasn't a financial burdon to Wairarapa United. He simply withdrew his sponsorship to show his other imports what happens if you cross Team Keinzley.
Masty2008-07-23 17:09:28
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Feverish wrote:
two sides to every story I guess
perhaps he just doesnt like his team eating fish and chips?
It must have been hell over the hill I guess if he is happier getting no money to play and facing deportation through breaking his immigration requirements.
Anyway this is all off the topic of football a bit here - a bit more like Home and Away or something. Enough already.
 
Don't drap home and away into this. Quality show
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Keinzley concerned over desperate cellar-dwellers
22.07.2008
By Gary Caffell

Appearances are deceiving as Wairarapa United bids to win the Capital Soccer premier division title, and with it the chance to challenge for a place in next season's central league.

With just four matches to be played and Wairarapa United three points clear at the top of the competition table you would have to fancy their prospects of overall victory.

Even more so when you look at the draw and find their remaining games are against the three teams at the bottom of that table, Western Suburbs, Lower Hutt City and Marist, who they have to play twice on successive weekends.

 
  However, it is that very fact which is worrying Wairarapa United coach Phil Keinzley who says their desperation to avoid relegation from premier division will be a huge incentive for those teams to produce something special against his own side.

And it is also likely to lead to at least two of them, Western Suburbs and Lower Hutt City, dropping players down from their central league sides to help their cause in that respect.

As Keinzley points out neither of those clubs are now in a position to win the central league and so are sure to look seriously at boosting the strength of their premier division teams so they can retain their current status, something which is allowable under the rules.

According to Keinzley it is possible, in fact, that Western Suburbs could field up to nine central league players when they host Wairarapa United in Wellington this coming Sunday.

"We wouldn't be at all surprised if that was the case & in fact we are working on the basis it probably will happen," he said. "Obviously it will make life a whole lot tougher for us but that's the way it is, we have to cope."

Keinzley was delighted with the way Wairarapa United adapted to the boggy ground conditions when they scored a 2-0 win over "bogey team" Upper Hutt City at the Pugh Sports Bowl on Sunday.

The surface was so water-logged the referee was actually keen to postpone the game but after some discussion he gave the two teams the opportunity to make that decision and they were in agreement that play should proceed.

"We didn't really want another postponement, we knew how hard it would be to play good soccer but we were still keen to press on," Keinzley said. "And they (Upper Hutt City) were of the same mind, they were happy to take their chances too."

All the pre-match talk in the Wairarapa United camp centred on the importance of maintaining their structure and composure despite the conditions and they did that magnificently, scoring one goal in each half and having another two possible goals disallowed.

Particularly impressive was the manner in which their Fijian players like Pita Rabo, Waisake Sabutu and Sakeo Valevou handled the mud and wet, considering they are much more at home on the rock hard surfaces which allow them to better exploit their speed and flair.

Several times they were seen to scoop the ball out of the mud with their feet before moving it on and once Rabo even had the audacity to put on a juggling act in the face of a bemused Upper Hutt defence before looking for his supports.

The solidity of the Wairarapa United defence pleased Keinzley with an Upper Hutt City side in which a former Wairarapa United player Troy Burling was one of the most dangerous attackers ensuring they were kept on their toes on a regular basis.

"They did stretch us at times but only once or twice did they actually look like scoring," Keinzley said. "Defence could be crucial over the next few weeks so that was a big plus

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hassler wrote:
How can [we] answer that?

It's possible that some of the club knew that a potential player had charges laid against him at the time of transfer, but we're still living in a society which likes to talk about being innocent until proven guilty, and I'm 100% positive if we'd refused him based on his pending court case and he got the media attention Keinzley has been able to get, Island Bay would be labeled as denying him his right to a fair trial!

There was no ''Overstayer" and there wouldn't have been if Keinzley hadn't felt jilted and withdrawn the clubs support. The guy in question had a job and wasn't a financial burdon to Wairarapa United. He simply withdrew his sponsorship to show his other imports what happens if you cross Team Keinzley.
 
so are you saying clubs in england will sign joey barton ... when someone has been alleged to commit a crime as serious as this one, i wouldnt think you would go there.
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hassler wrote:
How can [we] answer that?

It's possible that some of the club knew that a potential player had charges laid against him at the time of transfer, but we're still living in a society which likes to talk about being innocent until proven guilty, and I'm 100% positive if we'd refused him based on his pending court case and he got the media attention Keinzley has been able to get, Island Bay would be labeled as denying him his right to a fair trial!

There was no ''Overstayer" and there wouldn't have been if Keinzley hadn't felt jilted and withdrawn the clubs support. The guy in question had a job and wasn't a financial burdon to Wairarapa United. He simply withdrew his sponsorship to show his other imports what happens if you cross Team Keinzley.
 
so are you saying clubs in england will sign joey barton ... when someone has been alleged to commit a crime as serious as this one, i wouldnt think you would go there.
 
Difference with Barton is that he's been convicted.
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hassler wrote:
How can [we] answer that?

It's possible that some of the club knew that a potential player had charges laid against him at the time of transfer, but we're still living in a society which likes to talk about being innocent until proven guilty, and I'm 100% positive if we'd refused him based on his pending court case and he got the media attention Keinzley has been able to get, Island Bay would be labeled as denying him his right to a fair trial!

There was no ''Overstayer" and there wouldn't have been if Keinzley hadn't felt jilted and withdrawn the clubs support. The guy in question had a job and wasn't a financial burdon to Wairarapa United. He simply withdrew his sponsorship to show his other imports what happens if you cross Team Keinzley.
 
so are you saying clubs in england will sign joey barton ... when someone has been alleged to commit a crime as serious as this one, i wouldnt think you would go there.
 
Difference with Barton is that he's been convicted.
 
missed that development - but still point  being i don't know why island bay have signed these wallys convicted or not - absoutly ridiculous now the real facts come out as to why wairarapa left wakefield park so early - points dkp22 failed to raise apart, from keinzly not liking the chairman.
bobboltontawa22008-07-24 08:41:09
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Let's not get too judgemental when the only facts we have are allegations in a Fijian midfield and a side leaving a ground to head back to the 'rapa early. So get off your high horse bbtawa and wait for the facts.

Normo's coming home

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i will wait for the facts - but from what im hearing at the moment seems rather ridiculous, cant see how island bay cant defend there stance.

ON ANOTHER SUBJECT
 
tawa v island bay saturday.
no linesman WTF how was the game allowed to continue? the linesman wasn't allowed to call offside (was a spectator), then in the last minute tawa scores - linesman (who remember isnt allowed to call offsides) raises his friggin flag - how do you win in this world?
bobboltontawa22008-07-24 09:38:35
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I've said fijian midfield and I meant fijian newspaper, what?

Big finish to the end of the season, let's see what sides they are up against!

Normo's coming home

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i will wait for the facts - but from what im hearing at the moment seems rather ridiculous, cant see how island bay cant defend there stance.

ON ANOTHER SUBJECT
 
tawa v island bay saturday.
no linesman WTF how was the game allowed to continue? the linesman wasn't allowed to call offside (was a spectator), then in the last minute tawa scores - linesman (who remember isnt allowed to call offsides) raises his friggin flag - how do you win in this world?


I can't see how Island Bay CANT defend it either. It's black and white and for all the world to see that Island Bay have always been a fair club looking soley on promoting a good environment for players to play footbal inl, and Wairarapa have always been as shifty as hell (I mean Keinzley management, not Wairarapa players who play hard, but in my experience, fair)

Bobbo, you could have parked a truck between him and the Island Bay back line (Great finish though). The ref called it without the lino.

Lets not forget the Island Bay penalty in the first half, the ball over the Tawa goalline which the keeper pulled back out (well done GK), and the freekick on the edge of the area which the ref played advantage on, only to blow up once the Island Bay player had been fouled again INSIDE the box!

I do agree with you on one point Bobbo, and that's the game shouldn't have been played. When so much was riding on it, Capital Football get on their high horse and rule Tawa must play it (Cos they had already had a couple of postponements) and then they can't even supply enough refs (Let alone a decent one in the middle) to run the game properly!

[On re-reading this I've come across bitter havent I? Well, I'm not and I've entirely moved on, but if this forum is going to truely replace Olympics then it has to have a niggle in every reply doesnt it?!]
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Breaking news - Island Bay sign Tony Veitch

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i will wait for the facts - but from what im hearing at the moment seems rather ridiculous, cant see how island bay cant defend there stance.

ON ANOTHER SUBJECT
 
tawa v island bay saturday.
no linesman WTF how was the game allowed to continue? the linesman wasn't allowed to call offside (was a spectator), then in the last minute tawa scores - linesman (who remember isnt allowed to call offsides) raises his friggin flag - how do you win in this world?
 
 -  Maybe the  Tawa player was miles off- side ? and maybe the ref made the decision to call the offside anyway. How was this game allowed to continue - the ref would have made that call. [ capital 1 never have linesmen and there games continue every week ]
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i will wait for the facts - but from what im hearing at the moment seems rather ridiculous, cant see how island bay cant defend there stance.

ON ANOTHER SUBJECT
 
tawa v island bay saturday.
no linesman WTF how was the game allowed to continue? the linesman wasn't allowed to call offside (was a spectator), then in the last minute tawa scores - linesman (who remember isnt allowed to call offsides) raises his friggin flag - how do you win in this world?
 
 -  Maybe the  Tawa player was miles off- side ? and maybe the ref made the decision to call the offside anyway. How was this game allowed to continue - the ref would have made that call. [ capital 1 never have linesmen and there games continue every week ]
 
this is capital premier - not capital 1 - not the fa cup either mind you.
 
time to name and shame who was the referee that didnt turn up? anyone get his name? maybe we should start a capital referee - non show topic
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....and maybe, just maybe, the official had a valid reason for not getting to the game? Not turning up for appointments for no reason is actually frowned upon by the Ref's Association

Apparently I'm apathetic, but I couldn't care less.

"Being a Partick Thistle fan sets you apart. It means youre a free thinker. It also means your team has no money." Tim Luckhurst, The Independent, 4th December 2003

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Jag wrote:
....and maybe, just maybe, the official had a valid reason for not getting to the game? Not turning up for appointments for no reason is actually frowned upon by the Ref's Association
 
maybe he did....
 
how hard is it to call in sick the night before if you aint gonna bother to turn up, that way capital football can organise i lino instead of both teams and the referee standing around thinking what the heck is going on here
 
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Once again Bob you are now assuming the Assitant Referee was sick, there are a number of other problems that could have occurred,  may have had an accident on the way there, family emergency, could be a number of things, have you never had a player not turn up for game?
Why name and shame without knowing the facts.
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Once again Bob you are now assuming the Assitant Referee was sick, there are a number of other problems that could have occurred,  may have had an accident on the way there, family emergency, could be a number of things, have you never had a player not turn up for game?
Why name and shame without knowing the facts.
 
im not assuming he was sick - im treating it like a job - it is a job they are paid - if something like that happens at work ie. an emergancy or whatever you call your employer and explain the situation "sick leave" - who in this case is capital football , and they arrange a replacment
 
it just simply isn't acceptable not to have linesman in that grade for the reason of the referee not turning up.
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Course it isn't.
 
I mean, if he was involved in a car crash on the way to the ground it's easy to pull another official of the require standard off his game somewhere else and get him there isn't it. I mean it's not like Wellington hasn't got thousands of Referees who can run the line at that level is it  

Apparently I'm apathetic, but I couldn't care less.

"Being a Partick Thistle fan sets you apart. It means youre a free thinker. It also means your team has no money." Tim Luckhurst, The Independent, 4th December 2003

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Maybe he got kidnapped in between Redwood Park and Kura St?

As for Tony Veitch. I hear he's Dan Carter's Replacement as he can kick with both feet and likes to play at the back! (Some Low Brow humour for ya!)
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<im not assuming he was sick - im treating it like a job - it is a job they are paid - if something like that happens at work ie. an emergancy or whatever you call your employer and explain the situation "sick leave" - who in this case is capital football , and they arrange a replacment
 
it just simply isn't acceptable not to have linesman in that grade for the reason of the referee not turning up.>
 
There are many things in life that aren't acceptable, rather than winge about it most people get on with it and do their best, in this case the referee and the  1 AR got on with it and the game was played, Bob you mentioned refereeing being a job, no wonder there's not sufficient referees as the pays crap, from talking to a couple of referees about $22 a game, mind you they do get a bonus nearly every game, abuse from players and spectators alike.
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<im not assuming he was sick - im treating it like a job - it is a job they are paid - if something like that happens at work ie. an emergancy or whatever you call your employer and explain the situation "sick leave" - who in this case is capital football , and they arrange a replacment
 
it just simply isn't acceptable not to have linesman in that grade for the reason of the referee not turning up.>
 
There are many things in life that aren't acceptable, rather than winge about it most people get on with it and do their best, in this case the referee and the  1 AR got on with it and the game was played, Bob you mentioned refereeing being a job, no wonder there's not sufficient referees as the pays crap, from talking to a couple of referees about $22 a game, mind you they do get a bonus nearly every game, abuse from players and spectators alike.
 
it cost me $150 to play the other day - consider themselves lucky

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i will wait for the facts - but from what im hearing at the moment seems rather ridiculous, cant see how island bay cant defend there stance.

ON ANOTHER SUBJECT
 
tawa v island bay saturday.
no linesman WTF how was the game allowed to continue? the linesman wasn't allowed to call offside (was a spectator), then in the last minute tawa scores - linesman (who remember isnt allowed to call offsides) raises his friggin flag - how do you win in this world?
 
That point opens a bitter wound. When the mar ressies played tawa recently, it would have better to not have linesmen!! considering some of the decisions that were made. one in particular didnt do anything all day then decided to pull his flag from his behind and make the worst decision of his career!! (deep breaths....)
 
I agree with you though in the fact that the game shouldnt go ahead if the full compliment of officials are not present even if some are inept!!!
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Whinging about officials is boring.
 
With the amount being dished out in fines maybe the refs are angling for a raise

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james dean wrote:
Whinging about officials is boring.
 
With the amount being dished out in fines maybe the refs are angling for a raise
 
whys it boring? if they dont do the job probably - let alone cant turn up , they deserved to be whigned about.
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I always find it hillarious when people just whinge about the refs, how would you feel if you duffed an absolute sitter or get skinned inside out by a forward, and the ref had a go at you about the Queen Mary turning quicker then you did. Or you ability to score in a whorehouse?

It's a thankless job, there's no point in making it worse and starting a witchhunt
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in actual fact if you read the above, its not really to do about whigning about the refs decisions - it to do that he didnt turn up - should the game have been played considering the importance to both teams and in hinsight the decison in the last minute made by the spectator/linesman.
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in actual fact if you read the above, its not really to do about whigning about the refs decisions - it to do that he didnt turn up - should the game have been played considering the importance to both teams and in hinsight the decison in the last minute made by the spectator/linesman.
 
pull your head in for f**ks sake, it is the Wellington Premier League.

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Reference things I wanna watch, reference girls I wanna bite
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Frankie Mac wrote:
in actual fact if you read the above, its not really to do about whigning about the refs decisions - it to do that he didnt turn up - should the game have been played considering the importance to both teams and in hinsight the decison in the last minute made by the spectator/linesman.
 
pull your head in for f**ks sake, it is the Wellington Premier League.
 
pull your head and your handbag in for f**ks sake - its promotion to central league.
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in actual fact if you read the above, its not really to do about whigning about the refs decisions - it to do that he didnt turn up - should the game have been played considering the importance to both teams and in hinsight the decison in the last minute made by the spectator/linesman.
 
How do you know that the ref didn't make the decision on his own irrespective of what the guy with the flag was doing? Does happen you know. Did you ask him afterwards?

Apparently I'm apathetic, but I couldn't care less.

"Being a Partick Thistle fan sets you apart. It means youre a free thinker. It also means your team has no money." Tim Luckhurst, The Independent, 4th December 2003

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Jag wrote:
in actual fact if you read the above, its not really to do about whigning about the refs decisions - it to do that he didnt turn up - should the game have been played considering the importance to both teams and in hinsight the decison in the last minute made by the spectator/linesman.
 
How do you know that the ref didn't make the decision on his own irrespective of what the guy with the flag was doing? Does happen you know. Did you ask him afterwards?
 
no and no - its pretty funny though the linesman didnt raise his falg once the whole game - then decides to in injury time.
 
in saying that spectator was from tawa >>>> and no he didnt return to the clubrooms for a drink - dosnt surprise me - but there is no way you can fit a truck into a mm marginal offside call.
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Frankie Mac wrote:
in actual fact if you read the above, its not really to do about whigning about the refs decisions - it to do that he didnt turn up - should the game have been played considering the importance to both teams and in hinsight the decison in the last minute made by the spectator/linesman.
 
pull your head in for f**ks sake, it is the Wellington Premier League.


Here here Frankie. I've heard similar complaints made up here about officials or the grounds but really remember what level we are playing at here lads. It's social football really. A hobby not a living. Think it's important people remember that.

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Buffon II wrote:
Frankie Mac wrote:
in actual fact if you read the above, its not really to do about whigning about the refs decisions - it to do that he didnt turn up - should the game have been played considering the importance to both teams and in hinsight the decison in the last minute made by the spectator/linesman.
 
pull your head in for f**ks sake, it is the Wellington Premier League.


Here here Frankie. I've heard similar complaints made up here about officials or the grounds but really remember what level we are playing at here lads. It's social football really. A hobby not a living. Think it's important people remember that.
 
theres that new zealand attitude again - heres a prize for participating ffs
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Where did i say anything about participating?

Three for me, and two for them.

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Buffon II wrote:
Frankie Mac wrote:
in actual fact if you read the above, its not really to do about whigning about the refs decisions - it to do that he didnt turn up - should the game have been played considering the importance to both teams and in hinsight the decison in the last minute made by the spectator/linesman.
 
pull your head in for f**ks sake, it is the Wellington Premier League.


Here here Frankie. I've heard similar complaints made up here about officials or the grounds but really remember what level we are playing at here lads. It's social football really. A hobby not a living. Think it's important people remember that.
 
it dosnt matter what grade your playing aslong as your winning.
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Buffon II wrote:
Frankie Mac wrote:
in actual fact if you read the above, its not really to do about whigning about the refs decisions - it to do that he didnt turn up - should the game have been played considering the importance to both teams and in hinsight the decison in the last minute made by the spectator/linesman.
 
pull your head in for f**ks sake, it is the Wellington Premier League.


Here here Frankie. I've heard similar complaints made up here about officials or the grounds but really remember what level we are playing at here lads. It's social football really. A hobby not a living. Think it's important people remember that.
 
it dosnt matter what grade your playing aslong as your winning.
 
Guys, the game is over and done with. The referee made his decision and that is that. Crikey anyone would think you lost the world cup. We had a game against the mar where the referee gave us a penalty then turned around and said that it wasn't after complaints from the mar players. sh*t happens. That is football.
Referees make decisions rightly or wrongly. without tho we wouldn't have a game.
Lord knows I have given my share of gip to referees over the 20 odd years I have played senior football here. ay JAG. But we get on with things and worry about the next game.
 
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Spot on GA. You gave me some grief on the park but we always had a beer and a laugh about it afterwards. Looking forward to catching up with you when I'm down there again.

Apparently I'm apathetic, but I couldn't care less.

"Being a Partick Thistle fan sets you apart. It means youre a free thinker. It also means your team has no money." Tim Luckhurst, The Independent, 4th December 2003

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