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Chatham Cup 2014

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almost 12 years ago

Backheel wrote:

Central vs Glenfield in the Next round would have to be one of the games of the round

Central v ACFC Old Boys.

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almost 12 years ago

Backheel wrote:

Central vs Glenfield in the Next round would have to be one of the games of the round

No surprise they drew each other!! And funny how Waikato teams drew each other, Christchurch and Dunedin teams kept apart......

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almost 12 years ago

in the central region Mar should be too strong for Island Bay and id back City Rovers over tawa, although id say it will be close


"I might have faults but I'm not a big head." - Wayne Rooney

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almost 12 years ago · edited almost 12 years ago · History
Question for you guys - if a player is sent off in a Chatham Cup game (2 yellows so a 1 week suspension), do they serve the suspension in the league game the following weekend, or are they suspended for the next Chatham Cup game their team is to play in? I have read the NZF regulations but it is not clear as to that point.

All Whites | Phoenix | Baggies

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almost 12 years ago

Bozz wrote:
Question for you guys - if a player is sent off in a Chatham Cup game (2 yellows so a 1 week suspension), do they serve the suspension in the league game the following weekend, or are they suspended for the next Chatham Cup game their team is to play in?

I have read the NZF regulations but it is not clear as to that point.

I believe they serve the suspension in the league game the following weekend. Think that one of the Wests players had two yellows in their Chatham Cup game against Petone and didn't play for them in the CL game the weekend after that.

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almost 12 years ago

Next game I believe regardless of the Competition

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almost 12 years ago

chopah wrote:

i have a separate question - can anyone confirm if Chris Bale was sent off last week after the whistle against Wanderers?  anyone confirm this? 

Anymore on this Chopah?

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almost 12 years ago

Thanks. That was my understanding also that it was served in a league game if that was the next match day for the team. But I can't see anything specific about it in NZF regulations.

All Whites | Phoenix | Baggies

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almost 12 years ago

Jeff Vader wrote:

I understood that Spoonley was TW then Phoenix (for a game), then TW then Phoenix (for a game) then ACFC for Champs league and then Central. I think he played Central last winter but then to be fair to Spoonley, he has been Central for a while and before that ECB so I think most people recognise that he is a Central player. Not sure how that fits with the technical wording the competition regs so he may was be caught out but I would think unlikely. I'm happy to go with Chopahs position on this cause he is not often wrong on regs etc.

I am sure if coming back to the same club with an International Transfer then the fifteen day rule does not apply. Only applies if transferring from a difference club.

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almost 12 years ago

wasn't his last club TW or the Phoenix ?

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almost 12 years ago
Salmon07 wrote:

Go Ngongotaha! The Northern Oranje!

They still in? I saw them beating Pukekohe and they didn't look that great. Good on them.

Apparently I'm apathetic, but I couldn't care less.

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almost 12 years ago · edited almost 12 years ago · History

Jag wrote:
Salmon07 wrote:

Go Ngongotaha! The Northern Oranje!

They still in? I saw them beating Pukekohe and they didn't look that great. Good on them.

its an audacious latte sipper who'll brave the gumbooted hordes at Stembridge Road; would be a great story for the rugby and rugby league mad village of Ngongotaha to make it to the quarters or beyond

Any thoughts on their hopes against Melville? Ngongotaha are the lowest ranked side still left according to the Daily Post

Salmon swim upstream

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almost 12 years ago

AllWhites82 wrote:

Jeff Vader wrote:

I understood that Spoonley was TW then Phoenix (for a game), then TW then Phoenix (for a game) then ACFC for Champs league and then Central. I think he played Central last winter but then to be fair to Spoonley, he has been Central for a while and before that ECB so I think most people recognise that he is a Central player. Not sure how that fits with the technical wording the competition regs so he may was be caught out but I would think unlikely. I'm happy to go with Chopahs position on this cause he is not often wrong on regs etc.

I am sure if coming back to the same club with an International Transfer then the fifteen day rule does not apply. Only applies if transferring from a difference club.

I do think the question needs to be asked of NZF - if for no other reason than to prompt them to take the time to review their (outdated) regulations and provide some clarity going forward on this type of situation.

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almost 12 years ago

AllWhites82 wrote:

Jeff Vader wrote:

I understood that Spoonley was TW then Phoenix (for a game), then TW then Phoenix (for a game) then ACFC for Champs league and then Central. I think he played Central last winter but then to be fair to Spoonley, he has been Central for a while and before that ECB so I think most people recognise that he is a Central player. Not sure how that fits with the technical wording the competition regs so he may was be caught out but I would think unlikely. I'm happy to go with Chopahs position on this cause he is not often wrong on regs etc.

I am sure if coming back to the same club with an International Transfer then the fifteen day rule does not apply. Only applies if transferring from a difference club.

I do think the question needs to be asked of NZF - if for no other reason than to prompt them to take the time to review their (outdated) regulations and provide some clarity going forward on this type of situation.

 

Good luck. NZFs regulations (and constitution) have been in desperate need of replacement for a decade or more.

Governance has not been a high priority it's fair to say.

The lawers who drafted the current governance docs should hand in their practicing certificates immediately.

Incredible stamina. No shame. Yellow Fever.

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almost 12 years ago

You sound like you are offering your services Smithy....

Grumpy old bastard alert

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almost 12 years ago

Salmon07 wrote:

Jag wrote:
Salmon07 wrote:

Go Ngongotaha! The Northern Oranje!

They still in? I saw them beating Pukekohe and they didn't look that great. Good on them.

its an audacious latte sipper who'll brave the gumbooted hordes at Stembridge Road; would be a great story for the rugby and rugby league mad village of Ngongotaha to make it to the quarters or beyond

Any thoughts on their hopes against Melville? Ngongotaha are the lowest ranked side still left according to the Daily Post

Melville's third-string side beat them 2-1 a few weeks ago, but - you never know with the cup, etc.... Might make my third Rotorua roadtrip this season, a strange footballing hotbed this year!

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almost 12 years ago

" provide some clarity going forward on this type of situation '

Time we had more HR speak on these forums ....

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almost 12 years ago

Jeff Vader wrote:

You sound like you are offering your services Smithy....

 

Have previously been rebuffed both in respect of the Capital Football regs and the New Zealand Football ones.

It may interest folks to know that at one stage there were two lawyers on the Capital Football board, one of them really good (the other one was me). Chairman Canton's choice to rewrite some of the playing regs: Helen Mallon.

Go figure.

Incredible stamina. No shame. Yellow Fever.

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almost 12 years ago

NW's Helen Mallon?

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almost 12 years ago

Smithy wrote:

Jeff Vader wrote:

You sound like you are offering your services Smithy....

 

Have previously been rebuffed both in respect of the Capital Football regs and the New Zealand Football ones.

It may interest folks to know that at one stage there were two lawyers on the Capital Football board, one of them really good (the other one was me). Chairman Canton's choice to rewrite some of the playing regs: Helen Mallon.

Go figure.

easy there smithy i know where you are coming from but spitting tac's here won't help resolve stupid rules made by stupid people.

as for the ambiguity in the NZFA rules i feel it has been done deliberate to allow NZF to manipulate outcomes as they see fit.

and that is why they don't want them fixed to remove any misunderstandings.

what did forrest gump say "stupid is as stupid does"

good sportsmanship and fair playing field is all we ask for

but all we get is talk and goal posts moving

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almost 12 years ago

225&OUT wrote:

chopah wrote:

i have a separate question - can anyone confirm if Chris Bale was sent off last week after the whistle against Wanderers?  anyone confirm this? 

Anymore on this Chopah?

wasn't sent - had a bit of a tanty but not cautioned.

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almost 12 years ago

Jerzy Merino wrote:

Backheel wrote:

Central vs Glenfield in the Next round would have to be one of the games of the round

Central v ACFC Old Boys.

wow - can't say that - I got abused last year when i made that connection.. lol.

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almost 12 years ago

Big T wrote:

wasn't his last club TW or the Phoenix ?

Nix - hence the need for an ITC.

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almost 12 years ago

Smithy wrote:

Jeff Vader wrote:

You sound like you are offering your services Smithy....

 

Have previously been rebuffed both in respect of the Capital Football regs and the New Zealand Football ones.

It may interest folks to know that at one stage there were two lawyers on the Capital Football board, one of them really good (the other one was me). Chairman Canton's choice to rewrite some of the playing regs: Helen Mallon.

Go figure.

easy there smithy i know where you are coming from but spitting tac's here won't help resolve stupid rules made by stupid people.

as for the ambiguity in the NZFA rules i feel it has been done deliberate to allow NZF to manipulate outcomes as they see fit.

and that is why they don't want them fixed to remove any misunderstandings.

what did forrest gump say "stupid is as stupid does"

 

You're quite right. I'm not spitting tacks at all, just an interesting fact for those entertained by local football politics.

On the bigger point, I totally agree. There are a couple of assumptions I've always made about the current rules, which I think stack up. 

One is that they are drafted to capture anyone who ever touches a football. The reasoning was (presumably) to make the game appear as big as possible for funding purposes. Count everyone.

That is unhelpful now, but back in the day perhaps it was necessary.

The other one is that, as you say, they wanted to retain ultimate discretion on pretty much everything. 

Again, unhelpful now (in the extreme) but it happened at a time when NZF was trying to restructure the game against a fair swathe of opposition. So you can see how it happened.

The current rules are simply not fit for purpose though. Not accurate, not clear.

Incredible stamina. No shame. Yellow Fever.

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almost 12 years ago

one_eyed_nik wrote:

NW's Helen Mallon?

 

The one and only.

Incredible stamina. No shame. Yellow Fever.

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almost 12 years ago

chopah wrote:

Jerzy Merino wrote:

Backheel wrote:

Central vs Glenfield in the Next round would have to be one of the games of the round

Central v ACFC Old Boys.

wow - can't say that - I got abused last year when i made that connection.. lol.

Didnt you get stick for saying Ellerslie beat ACFC? 

Where as this poster is infact correct plenty of ACFC Old Boys (and current ones) at Gl$nfield Rovers.

On another point why do Glenfield bother win an U19 team.....

Wonder who Buffy gonna want to win when Central play Glenfield????

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chopah wrote:

Big T wrote:

wasn't his last club TW or the Phoenix ?

Nix - hence the need for an ITC.

Their I was thinking he transferred to ACFC for the OFC after the Nix.  

Forgot ACFC are an International team. lol 

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almost 12 years ago

Blew.2 wrote:

chopah wrote:

Big T wrote:

wasn't his last club TW or the Phoenix ?

Nix - hence the need for an ITC.

Their I was thinking he transferred to ACFC for the OFC after the Nix.  

Forgot ACFC are an International team. lol 

But of course he couldnt play for ACFC in the end because he played for TW and Phoenix in summer season meaning they were his permitted 2 clubs.

And on a side note how many local Wellington players played for TW last season????

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almost 12 years ago

225&OUT wrote:

Wonder who Buffy gonna want to win when Central play Glenfield????

Hopefully a nuclear bomb hits the pitch just after kick off.

Three for me, and two for them.

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almost 12 years ago

No appeal as yet Buffy ? ....Some hangovers hang on ....

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almost 12 years ago

225&OUT wrote:

Blew.2 wrote:

chopah wrote:

Big T wrote:

wasn't his last club TW or the Phoenix ?

Nix - hence the need for an ITC.

Their I was thinking he transferred to ACFC for the OFC after the Nix.  

Forgot ACFC are an International team. lol 

But of course he couldnt play for ACFC in the end because he played for TW and Phoenix in summer season meaning they were his permitted 2 clubs.

And on a side note how many local Wellington players played for TW last season????

Most have been in Wgtn for 2 seasons at least. But are ASB teams clubs that is the question. As others scream for club based football. Hic

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almost 12 years ago

bed time Blew.

Founder

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almost 12 years ago
225&OUT wrote:

Blew.2 wrote:

chopah wrote:

Big T wrote:

wasn't his last club TW or the Phoenix ?

Nix - hence the need for an ITC.

Their I was thinking he transferred to ACFC for the OFC after the Nix.  

Forgot ACFC are an International team. lol 

But of course he couldnt play for ACFC in the end because he played for TW and Phoenix in summer season meaning they were his permitted 2 clubs.

And on a side note how many local Wellington players played for TW last season????

not sure if serious but i believe the two club rule only applies to winter football.
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almost 12 years ago

Jaysus ...can we just read entrails , sounds more effective than most stuff NZF get their paws  on ....

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almost 12 years ago

chopah wrote:
225&OUT wrote:

Blew.2 wrote:

chopah wrote:

Big T wrote:

wasn't his last club TW or the Phoenix ?

Nix - hence the need for an ITC.

Their I was thinking he transferred to ACFC for the OFC after the Nix.  

Forgot ACFC are an International team. lol 

But of course he couldnt play for ACFC in the end because he played for TW and Phoenix in summer season meaning they were his permitted 2 clubs.

And on a side note how many local Wellington players played for TW last season????

not sure if serious but i believe the two club rule only applies to winter football.

Incorrect hence the previous post about Spoonley not playing OFC Champs

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almost 12 years ago

Buffon II wrote:

FU BLU wrote:

Dont despair tho ....there must be something you can hang a complaint on ....

Yeah, like Spoonley playing when he was ineligable.

We'll see who has the last laugh.

HA HA HA !!

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almost 12 years ago

Smithy

You made a statement "The current rules are simply not fit for purpose though. Not accurate, not clear."

The simple answer or explanation is that they were written by lawyers, to be interpreted by lawyers.

Don't piss off old people - the older we get, the less "Life in Prison" is a deterrent                    

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almost 12 years ago

ol'sole wrote:

Smithy

You made a statement "The current rules are simply not fit for purpose though. Not accurate, not clear."

The simple answer or explanation is that they were written by lawyers, to be interpreted by lawyers.

 

If they were written by lawyers, they weren't very good ones.

Didn't NZF use Frank's mate's firm in Auckland? Small shop, does mostly private client stuff? 

Incredible stamina. No shame. Yellow Fever.

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