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almost 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
well they didnt muck around, draw out already ...
 
CHATHAM CUP: 16/17 May
Stop Out             __    Naenae               __
Island Bay Utd       __    Miramar Rangers      __
Olympic              __    Lower Hutt City      __
Petone               __    Stokes Valley        __
Wairarapa Utd        __    Waterside Karori     __
North Wellington     __    Tawa                 __
Eastbourne           __    Western Suburbs      __
Kapiti Coast Utd     __    Wellington Utd       __
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almost 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Slightly miffed Marist - Island Bay game review to come soon... maybe after a few more beers
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almost 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
good game between brooklyn and naenae, we should have really had a couple more but failed to execute, thought we dominated for most periods of the game and definitely looked dangerous on attack. BNU maybe had 3 shots at our goal in the whole game. Our first goal came from  a great run by henders who finished beautifully across the goalface hit the post and went in. BNU then equalised about 1 minute later after the ball bounced off 3 players legs and fell to Richie Bourkes feet who put it in from about 6 yards out. Game went into a bit of a stalemate we continued to press forward but were unlucky not to score until 20 seconds from the finish el Capitano Si Hall squeezed through two players on the goal line and squared nicely across to Henders for an easy finish. Good game all around to watch
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Marius Lacatus wrote:
well they didnt muck around, draw out already ...
 
CHATHAM CUP: 16/17 May
Stop Out             _2_    Naenae               _1_
Island Bay Utd       _1_    Miramar Rangers      _3_
Olympic              _1_    Lower Hutt City      _1_ (LHC win in extra time)
Petone               _4_    Stokes Valley        _0_
Wairarapa Utd        _3_    Waterside Karori     _2_
North Wellington     _0_    Tawa                 _3_
Eastbourne           _0_    Western Suburbs      _6_
Kapiti Coast Utd     _1_    Wellington Utd       _1_ (KCU win on pens)
 
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Reference things I wanna watch, reference girls I wanna bite
Now I'm firefly like a burning kite
And yousa fake fuck like a fleshlight

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almost 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Genius that Wests have to travel to the immaculate Bishop Park in Eastbourne though.

The Naked Mole Rats at home are a frightening proposition...

Incredible stamina. No shame. Yellow Fever.

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almost 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Rigged.
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almost 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Smithy wrote:
Genius that Wests have to travel to the immaculate Bishop Park in Eastbourne though.

The Naked Mole Rats at home are a frightening proposition...


God I hope we're rained off for that... I'd love to go and watch Wests play at Bishop.

How's my driving? - Whine here

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almost 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
interesting!! love the cup...esp when it throws up games like that
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almost 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
I realise NZF are trying to keep regional for earlier rounds to manage costs etc, but it does create some disadvantages for regions where large numbers of clubs enter (notably Cap Football and Wgtn region). Plus detracts a bit from the romance of the comp.
 
Cap Prem sides like Tawa, Stop Out Wharfies etc join the competition at the pre Round 1 qualifying stage (played yesterday), yet there are a bunch of sides in the central region of no better quality that get byes right through until Round 2 (e.g. Maycenvale, Motoroa, Taradale, Western).  That means there's a good chance you've run into a Central League team before Motoroa has even entered the comp. It also means you're going to have to win 2 or 3 games before you even have the chance to play some of the central region clubs you dont typically run into.
 
Given much of the Cup romance is about a.) the different sides you can get drawn against and different places you can end up playing and b.) the random luck of the draw and the possibility of getting the lucky draw, I reckon they should seriously look at bringing the Central region and Wgtn sides together much earlier (i.e. Round 1). i doubt the cost would be that significant in the scheme of things, and some clubs/players may baulk at the travel, but others would see it as a neat diversion from the league and a chance for a roadie.
 
 
Marius Lacatus2009-04-26 11:49:40
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Marius Lacatus wrote:
I realise NZF are trying to keep regional for earlier rounds to manage costs etc, but it does create some disadvantages for regions where large numbers of clubs enter (notably Cap Football and Wgtn region). Plus detracts a bit from the romance of the comp.
 
Cap Prem sides like Tawa, Stop Out Wharfies etc join the competition at the pre Round 1 qualifying stage (played yesterday), yet there are a bunch of sides in the central region of no better quality that get byes right through until Round 2 (e.g. Maycenvale, Motoroa, Taradale, Western).  That means there's a good chance you've run into a Central League team before Motoroa has even entered the comp. It also means you're going to have to win 2 or 3 games before you even have the chance to play some of the central region clubs you dont typically run into.
 
Given much of the Cup romance is about a.) the different sides you can get drawn against and different places you can end up playing and b.) the random luck of the draw and the possibility of getting the lucky draw, I reckon they should seriously look at bringing the Central region and Wgtn sides together much earlier (i.e. Round 1). i doubt the cost would be that significant in the scheme of things, and some clubs/players may baulk at the travel, but others would see it as a neat diversion from the league and a chance for a roadie.
 
 
 
You got to be having a laugh. You'd be moaning your tits off if you drew a New Plymouth team 1st round than Gisborne the next.

A dog with a bone :)

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uncle steve wrote:
Rigged.
 
Was waiting for that comment......again

A dog with a bone :)

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almost 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
nightz wrote:
Marius Lacatus wrote:
I realise NZF are trying to keep regional for earlier rounds to manage costs etc, but it does create some disadvantages for regions where large numbers of clubs enter (notably Cap Football and Wgtn region). Plus detracts a bit from the romance of the comp.
 
Cap Prem sides like Tawa, Stop Out Wharfies etc join the competition at the pre Round 1 qualifying stage (played yesterday), yet there are a bunch of sides in the central region of no better quality that get byes right through until Round 2 (e.g. Maycenvale, Motoroa, Taradale, Western).  That means there's a good chance you've run into a Central League team before Motoroa has even entered the comp. It also means you're going to have to win 2 or 3 games before you even have the chance to play some of the central region clubs you dont typically run into.
 
Given much of the Cup romance is about a.) the different sides you can get drawn against and different places you can end up playing and b.) the random luck of the draw and the possibility of getting the lucky draw, I reckon they should seriously look at bringing the Central region and Wgtn sides together much earlier (i.e. Round 1). i doubt the cost would be that significant in the scheme of things, and some clubs/players may baulk at the travel, but others would see it as a neat diversion from the league and a chance for a roadie.
 
 
 
You got to be having a laugh. You'd be moaning your tits off if you drew a New Plymouth team 1st round than Gisborne the next.
 
No Im quite serious. I think Welly teams get the rough end of the stick under the current system.  And as i said before it detracts from the romance and possiblity of the Cup by reducing the chances of getting that "fluke" draw and run of fixtures, where you avoid the big guns deep into the knock out.
 
1.) Nowhere other than Gisborne needs to be more than a day trip for Welly sides. We've often had league systems involving multiple tiers of leagues travelling regionally. So, for a one off game I dont think its that onerous. It doesnt have to cost anymore than petrol. Gisborne is the exception and you'd possibly need to look at that - but i dont think its insurmountable or a game stopper.
2.) Prior to Round 1 Wellington would already have had both a pre-qualifying and qualifying round, so most of the less resourced, less "interested" clubs would already have been eliminated by the time regional travel becomes a possibility (yes, only most, and once in a while Eastbourne, for instance, will still be in the mix). And even then I reckon many clubs and players at the Cap 1 level would get a kick out of a trip North. On its own it s not going to kill the club (and if they are that financially vulnerable then they dont have to enter).
3.) Central regions sides could have their own qualifying (and possibly pre-qual rounds) to flush out the financially challenged and weaker clubs. If that means they only have a few clubs that enter into Round 1 then that's life. i dont see why Federation's with more and stronger clubs should have to whittle themselves away in qualifying rounds just to balance out the numbers in Rd 1. Why should either Olympic or Lower Hutt be eliminated before Maycenvale even has to play a game?
4.) And I dont think its that radical at all. In fact, if you go back a few years it was probably the norm.
Marius Lacatus2009-04-26 19:41:59
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almost 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Its not just the Capital clubs you need to take into condsideration though. As you say Gisborne could be a problem. Think about them drawing a Naki team 1 round and than a Capital team in the next. Could be just as bad a Naki team drawing a Hawkes Bay team one round and than a Capital team the next.
A lot of money being wasted on travel when it could be going into other areas of the game.

A dog with a bone :)

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almost 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
I suspect central region clubs would be most likely to object to any changes. Maybe bc of travel (which still would be no more than a day trip, except where Gis involved) but also bc they currently have a good deal.
 
I absolutely agree money is being wasted. But I dont think this would be a waste. I think it would enhance the competition and give Wellington teams a fairer shake (for a few hundred bucks per fixture). Plus, the money is a tiny fraction of what clubs down to Cap Prem at least are spending on sign on fees and win bonuses.
 
Right, Im convinced now. I'll have at least Olympic or Lower Hutt on board come end of Round 1.
Marius Lacatus2009-04-26 19:40:21
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almost 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Being Anzac day I thought it was appropriate that I take in a quick tour of Wellington's finest No-Man's lands. I started at Seatoun, passed Crawford Green and Kilbirnie Park, before going round the coast and taking in windswept Wakefield and MaCallister Parks.  All fine examples of what a moving barrage will do to beautiful parklands.
I finally headed coastwards  to attempt an amphibious landing on the beaches of Kapiti. Unfortunately I missed the first 20 and the Wharf had already looked like the big guns they are by being 2 up.  The rest of the half was fairly scrappy with the crater pitch not helping Wharfies blitzkreig stlye of football.  Paekakariki hung on and battled hard to go into the break only 2 down.
5 mintues into the 2nd half Paecock pulled one back with a well headed goal from a corner that the lino said crossed the line. I must say it looked good from my observation post on top of the half way line.
Paekock never really threatened Wharfies defensive line and the Wharf killed the game off with a couple of well worked goals. At one stage a  mist enveloped the ground and I thought the Huns had let some gas off, but it was more likely the effects of 100 people all smoking the green stuff at the same time.
The Wharf never hit their straps but always looked comfortable while Paecock never gave in.
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Marius Lacatus wrote:
I realise NZF are trying to keep regional for earlier rounds to manage costs etc, but it does create some disadvantages for regions where large numbers of clubs enter (notably Cap Football and Wgtn region). Plus detracts a bit from the romance of the comp.
 
Cap Prem sides like Tawa, Stop Out Wharfies etc join the competition at the pre Round 1 qualifying stage (played yesterday), yet there are a bunch of sides in the central region of no better quality that get byes right through until Round 2 (e.g. Maycenvale, Motoroa, Taradale, Western).  That means there's a good chance you've run into a Central League team before Motoroa has even entered the comp. It also means you're going to have to win 2 or 3 games before you even have the chance to play some of the central region clubs you dont typically run into.
 
Given much of the Cup romance is about a.) the different sides you can get drawn against and different places you can end up playing and b.) the random luck of the draw and the possibility of getting the lucky draw, I reckon they should seriously look at bringing the Central region and Wgtn sides together much earlier (i.e. Round 1). i doubt the cost would be that significant in the scheme of things, and some clubs/players may baulk at the travel, but others would see it as a neat diversion from the league and a chance for a roadie.
 
 
 
Quite right and well put Marius.
 
I'm sure for 99% of club first teams an away game in Napier or New Plymouth or Palmy would be something to get excited about.  A lot more than another game against a team they play regularly at a ground they know with referees they see every week.
 
Look at the chatter that surrounded Wharfies trip to Paekak.  Brilliant and typifies the fun of the Cup.  Perhaps the best tie of this round is Wests vs Eastbourne.  Cap Footy should play it on a Sunday so we can all go and watch.  I'm sure BobBoltonTawa would come out to support Eastbourne.

Incredible stamina. No shame. Yellow Fever.

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Pilonidal Sinus wrote:
Being Anzac day I thought it was appropriate that I take in a quick tour of Wellington's finest No-Man's lands. I started at Seatoun, passed Crawford Green and Kilbirnie Park, before going round the coast and taking in windswept Wakefield and MaCallister Parks.  All fine examples of what a moving barrage will do to beautiful parklands.
I finally headed coastwards  to attempt an amphibious landing on the beaches of Kapiti. Unfortunately I missed the first 20 and the Wharf had already looked like the big guns they are by being 2 up.  The rest of the half was fairly scrappy with the crater pitch not helping Wharfies blitzkreig stlye of football.  Paekakariki hung on and battled hard to go into the break only 2 down.
5 mintues into the 2nd half Paecock pulled one back with a well headed goal from a corner that the lino said crossed the line. I must say it looked good from my observation post on top of the half way line.
Paekock never really threatened Wharfies defensive line and the Wharf killed the game off with a couple of well worked goals. At one stage a  mist enveloped the ground and I thought the Huns had let some gas off, but it was more likely the effects of 100 people all smoking the green stuff at the same time.
The Wharf never hit their straps but always looked comfortable while Paecock never gave in.
 

Do you want me to talk you through my goal you missed?

Founder

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Feverish wrote:
Pilonidal Sinus wrote:
Being Anzac day I thought it was appropriate that I take in a quick tour of Wellington's finest No-Man's lands. I started at Seatoun, passed Crawford Green and Kilbirnie Park, before going round the coast and taking in windswept Wakefield and MaCallister Parks.  All fine examples of what a moving barrage will do to beautiful parklands.
I finally headed coastwards  to attempt an amphibious landing on the beaches of Kapiti. Unfortunately I missed the first 20 and the Wharf had already looked like the big guns they are by being 2 up.  The rest of the half was fairly scrappy with the crater pitch not helping Wharfies blitzkreig stlye of football.  Paekakariki hung on and battled hard to go into the break only 2 down.
5 mintues into the 2nd half Paecock pulled one back with a well headed goal from a corner that the lino said crossed the line. I must say it looked good from my observation post on top of the half way line.
Paekock never really threatened Wharfies defensive line and the Wharf killed the game off with a couple of well worked goals. At one stage a  mist enveloped the ground and I thought the Huns had let some gas off, but it was more likely the effects of 100 people all smoking the green stuff at the same time.
The Wharf never hit their straps but always looked comfortable while Paecock never gave in.
 

Do you want me to talk you through my goal you missed?

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I'm sure it was a 25 metre missile. All the other shots you had seemed to be from that distance.  Obviously you were looking to give the crowd something special to remember the day by. But my favourite was the hands on head in the last 20 minutes after everytime you went on a run.
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Feverish wrote:
Pilonidal Sinus wrote:
Being Anzac day I thought it was appropriate that I take in a quick tour of Wellington's finest No-Man's lands. I started�at Seatoun, passed Crawford Green and Kilbirnie Park, before going round the coast and taking in windswept Wakefield and MaCallister Parks.� All fine examples of what a moving barrage will do to beautiful parklands.
I finally headed coastwards� to attempt an amphibious landing on the beaches of Kapiti. Unfortunately I missed the first 20 and the Wharf had already looked like the big guns they are by being 2 up.� The rest of the half was fairly scrappy with the crater pitch not helping Wharfies blitzkreig stlye of football.� Paekakariki hung on and battled hard to go into the break only 2 down.

5 mintues into the 2nd half Paecock pulled one back with a well headed goal from a corner that the lino said crossed the line. I must say it looked good from my observation post on top of the half way line.

Paekock never really threatened Wharfies defensive line and the Wharf killed the game off with a couple of well worked goals. At one stage a� mist enveloped the ground and I thought the Huns had let some gas off, but it was more likely the effects of 100 people all smoking the green stuff at the same time.

The Wharf never hit their straps but always looked comfortable while Paecock never gave in.

�


Do you want me to talk you through my goal you missed


No need to that here, we'll devote the entire next issue of Magpie to this glorious occasion. Already contacted Ferguson, Wenger, Mourinho, Benitez, Hiddink and Capello to get some objective thoughts on how this was probably the greatest goal ever scored in the histroy of football.
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nightz wrote:
uncle steve wrote:
Rigged.

�

Was waiting for that comment......again


Oh did i say that!?

What i meant was, thank the luck of the draw for blessing us with such an easy fixture.
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almost 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Thats more like it Uncle Steve.
 
If it was rigged you wouldnt have the home advantage.

A dog with a bone :)

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nightz wrote:
Marius Lacatus wrote:
I realise NZF are trying to keep regional for earlier rounds to manage costs etc, but it does create some disadvantages for regions where large numbers of clubs enter (notably Cap Football and Wgtn region). Plus detracts a bit from the romance of the comp.
 
Cap Prem sides like Tawa, Stop Out Wharfies etc join the competition at the pre Round 1 qualifying stage (played yesterday), yet there are a bunch of sides in the central region of no better quality that get byes right through until Round 2 (e.g. Maycenvale, Motoroa, Taradale, Western).  That means there's a good chance you've run into a Central League team before Motoroa has even entered the comp. It also means you're going to have to win 2 or 3 games before you even have the chance to play some of the central region clubs you dont typically run into.
 
Given much of the Cup romance is about a.) the different sides you can get drawn against and different places you can end up playing and b.) the random luck of the draw and the possibility of getting the lucky draw, I reckon they should seriously look at bringing the Central region and Wgtn sides together much earlier (i.e. Round 1). i doubt the cost would be that significant in the scheme of things, and some clubs/players may baulk at the travel, but others would see it as a neat diversion from the league and a chance for a roadie.
 
 
 
You got to be having a laugh. You'd be moaning your tits off if you drew a New Plymouth team 1st round than Gisborne the next.
 
What are the costs, a bit of gas for 5 or 6 cars?  Not everyone travels in style. 
 
The whole point of the cup is the opportunity to play clubs you've neve rplayed before, the structure as is doesn't really allow that which is a pity.  Does anyone seriously think that Eastbourne wouldn't LOVE an away trip tp palmy or the Hawkes Bay in the cup?
 
Nightz, why are you always so wedded to the status quo?  DO you think that football is run so well that nothing should ever change?

Normo's coming home

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Ok so say Eastbourne, drew Napier City Rovers, do they really want to travel all that way just to lose a match??
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james dean wrote:
nightz wrote:
Marius Lacatus wrote:
I realise NZF are trying to keep regional for earlier rounds to manage costs etc, but it does create some disadvantages for regions where large numbers of clubs enter (notably Cap Football and Wgtn region). Plus detracts a bit from the romance of the comp.
 
Cap Prem sides like Tawa, Stop Out Wharfies etc join the competition at the pre Round 1 qualifying stage (played yesterday), yet there are a bunch of sides in the central region of no better quality that get byes right through until Round 2 (e.g. Maycenvale, Motoroa, Taradale, Western).  That means there's a good chance you've run into a Central League team before Motoroa has even entered the comp. It also means you're going to have to win 2 or 3 games before you even have the chance to play some of the central region clubs you dont typically run into.
 
Given much of the Cup romance is about a.) the different sides you can get drawn against and different places you can end up playing and b.) the random luck of the draw and the possibility of getting the lucky draw, I reckon they should seriously look at bringing the Central region and Wgtn sides together much earlier (i.e. Round 1). i doubt the cost would be that significant in the scheme of things, and some clubs/players may baulk at the travel, but others would see it as a neat diversion from the league and a chance for a roadie.
 
 
 
You got to be having a laugh. You'd be moaning your tits off if you drew a New Plymouth team 1st round than Gisborne the next.
 
What are the costs, a bit of gas for 5 or 6 cars?  Not everyone travels in style. 
 
The whole point of the cup is the opportunity to play clubs you've neve rplayed before, the structure as is doesn't really allow that which is a pity.  Does anyone seriously think that Eastbourne wouldn't LOVE an away trip tp palmy or the Hawkes Bay in the cup?
 
Nightz, why are you always so wedded to the status quo?  DO you think that football is run so well that nothing should ever change?
no - he just likes disagreeing with people

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monkeyboy wrote:
Ok so say Eastbourne, drew Napier City Rovers, do they really want to travel all that way just to lose a match??


Would you not want to travel there and play them.  Even though there is a very good chance that you will lose.  It is about some team bonding and having an away trip.  Playing players you havent played against for the last five years or so

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You get to play on one of the best surfaces in the country in front of a crowd, big piss trip on the way home, what's not to like?  It's something you'd remember for the rest of your days I'd think...

Normo's coming home

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Feverish wrote:
james dean wrote:
nightz wrote:
Marius Lacatus wrote:
I realise NZF are trying to keep regional for earlier rounds to manage costs etc, but it does create some disadvantages for regions where large numbers of clubs enter (notably Cap Football and Wgtn region). Plus detracts a bit from the romance of the comp.
 
Cap Prem sides like Tawa, Stop Out Wharfies etc join the competition at the pre Round 1 qualifying stage (played yesterday), yet there are a bunch of sides in the central region of no better quality that get byes right through until Round 2 (e.g. Maycenvale, Motoroa, Taradale, Western).  That means there's a good chance you've run into a Central League team before Motoroa has even entered the comp. It also means you're going to have to win 2 or 3 games before you even have the chance to play some of the central region clubs you dont typically run into.
 
Given much of the Cup romance is about a.) the different sides you can get drawn against and different places you can end up playing and b.) the random luck of the draw and the possibility of getting the lucky draw, I reckon they should seriously look at bringing the Central region and Wgtn sides together much earlier (i.e. Round 1). i doubt the cost would be that significant in the scheme of things, and some clubs/players may baulk at the travel, but others would see it as a neat diversion from the league and a chance for a roadie.
 
 
 
You got to be having a laugh. You'd be moaning your tits off if you drew a New Plymouth team 1st round than Gisborne the next.
 
What are the costs, a bit of gas for 5 or 6 cars?  Not everyone travels in style. 
 
The whole point of the cup is the opportunity to play clubs you've neve rplayed before, the structure as is doesn't really allow that which is a pity.  Does anyone seriously think that Eastbourne wouldn't LOVE an away trip tp palmy or the Hawkes Bay in the cup?
 
Nightz, why are you always so wedded to the status quo?  DO you think that football is run so well that nothing should ever change?
no - he just likes disagreeing with people
 
I know...and it's very tedious

Normo's coming home

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nightz wrote:
Thats more like it Uncle Steve.
�

If it was rigged you wouldnt have the home advantage.


Fair enough.

These days it counts for nothing. Especially now, due to the fact that the cops will be on the look out for any flares.

Thanks for that miramar.
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james dean wrote:
You get to play on one of the best surfaces in the country in front of a crowd, big piss trip on the way home, what's not to like?  It's something you'd remember for the rest of your days I'd think...


Quality call that, why not it would be a great ride home huge piss up.. park island is one of the best surfaces in the country played on it many a time. but still agree that the prem teams in hawkes bay get an easy ride into the 2nd round or so...
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It's about the experience and opportunity.  Regardless of whether it's just the Chatham Cup. I'm sure Havant weren't thinking "Ohh Bugger, we got Liverpool in the Cup". You know you're going to lose, but who cares. Same with the Ranfurly Shield. East Coast don't have a hope in hell of going to a place like Wellington and winning. It's a one off, and if your club can't afford it, then they shouldn't enter the competition.
My best football memories are sitting in the back of a mini van playing drinking games after a good away win at places like Hawera.
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Marius Lacatus wrote:
Full Results ...
 
Upper Hutt City       1    Kapiti Coast Utd      2
Brooklyn Northern     1    Naenae                2
Porirua City          0    Eastbourne            0
(Eastbourne won 1-0 AET)
Paekakariki           1    Waterside Karori      4
Tawa                  4    Douglas Villa         1
Wainuiomata           3    Stop Out              5
North Wellington      2    Wellington College    1
University            2    Stokes Valley         3
Marist                1    Island Bay Utd        1
(Island Bay Utd won 2-1 AET)
 
No upsets but some good battles obviously


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Feverish wrote:
james dean wrote:
nightz wrote:
Marius Lacatus wrote:
I realise NZF are trying to keep regional for earlier rounds to manage costs etc, but it does create some disadvantages for regions where large numbers of clubs enter (notably Cap Football and Wgtn region). Plus detracts a bit from the romance of the comp.
 
Cap Prem sides like Tawa, Stop Out Wharfies etc join the competition at the pre Round 1 qualifying stage (played yesterday), yet there are a bunch of sides in the central region of no better quality that get byes right through until Round 2 (e.g. Maycenvale, Motoroa, Taradale, Western).  That means there's a good chance you've run into a Central League team before Motoroa has even entered the comp. It also means you're going to have to win 2 or 3 games before you even have the chance to play some of the central region clubs you dont typically run into.
 
Given much of the Cup romance is about a.) the different sides you can get drawn against and different places you can end up playing and b.) the random luck of the draw and the possibility of getting the lucky draw, I reckon they should seriously look at bringing the Central region and Wgtn sides together much earlier (i.e. Round 1). i doubt the cost would be that significant in the scheme of things, and some clubs/players may baulk at the travel, but others would see it as a neat diversion from the league and a chance for a roadie.
 
 
 
You got to be having a laugh. You'd be moaning your tits off if you drew a New Plymouth team 1st round than Gisborne the next.
 
What are the costs, a bit of gas for 5 or 6 cars?  Not everyone travels in style. 
 
The whole point of the cup is the opportunity to play clubs you've neve rplayed before, the structure as is doesn't really allow that which is a pity.  Does anyone seriously think that Eastbourne wouldn't LOVE an away trip tp palmy or the Hawkes Bay in the cup?
 
Nightz, why are you always so wedded to the status quo?  DO you think that football is run so well that nothing should ever change?
no - he just likes disagreeing with people
 
Not every one......just James Dean  

A dog with a bone :)

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monkeyboy wrote:
Ok so say Eastbourne, drew Napier City Rovers, do they really want to travel all that way just to lose a match??
id love to go for a road trip to napier even if not much chance of a win..roadtrips are amazing especially to napier and dominate the thirsty whale,what team wouldnt enjoy that,even more so the teams like eastbourne
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almost 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Lets bring some sense back to this topic and forget the idotic rants of James Dean.
 
Yes, everyone loves a boozy road trip. If you want to go on one than organise it for yourself at the end of the season like many already do.
Yes, Its good to play new teams.
Yes, you could travel up and down to the Naki/Napier in cars in 1 day to keep the costs down (not much fun if you are going for the purpose of a boozy road trip though).
Yes, I'm sure the lads from Eastbourne would love to play at Park Island but they could also get a home match against Gisborne who I'm sure like the rest of us wouldnt really want to travel to Bishop for a game.
 
Be realistic guys. The top clubs from our region already potentially face a south island trip and than an Auckland trip. I'm sure they wont want to be forking out dollars for potentially 3 other long trips (they travel in what you call style as they want to be properly prepared for games) before it gets down to the business end of the competition. Think of others for once and not your own selfish desires.
 
PS: Yes Uncle Steve you know that Olympic will get a run of bad away draws if these guys got there way.

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almost 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
nightz wrote:
Lets bring some sense back to this topic and forget the idotic rants of James Dean.
 
Yes, everyone loves a boozy road trip. If you want to go on one than organise it for yourself at the end of the season like many already do.
Yes, Its good to play new teams.
Yes, you could travel up and down to the Naki/Napier in cars in 1 day to keep the costs down (not much fun if you are going for the purpose of a boozy road trip though).
Yes, I'm sure the lads from Eastbourne would love to play at Park Island but they could also get a home match against Gisborne who I'm sure like the rest of us wouldnt really want to travel to Bishop for a game.
 
Be realistic guys. The top clubs from our region already potentially face a south island trip and than an Auckland trip. I'm sure they wont want to be forking out dollars for potentially 3 other long trips (they travel in what you call style as they want to be properly prepared for games) before it gets down to the business end of the competition. Think of others for once and not your own selfish desires.
 
PS: Yes Uncle Steve you know that Olympic will get a run of bad away draws if these guys got there way.
Nightz, that's precisely where I think we will never agree.
 
I believe the beauty of the Chatham Cup is that it is (or should be) a competition for all clubs, not one that should try to accomodate the priorities of elite clubs - at least at the expense of other clubs or the mystique of the competition. All clubs that enter should at least have the belief that while they may not necessarily be able to win the cup, they can at least hope for a gutsy and memorable cup run, a couple of novel roadies and the thrill of knock out football. Once they no longer have that belief (and Im not saying its gone yet, but I believe the heavily localised structure of the comp for so many rounds is eroding it) then interest in the Cup will fade. Once universal interest is gone, the Cup loses its mystique, value and prestige - eventually to the point even Western Suburbs will think twice about entering one day.
 
And as for "realistic" ... come on. What we are talking about is simply a variation on what we have now. We're not proposing the thing goes nationwide in Round 1, just that it is extended to the Hawkes Bay and Taranaki. And if that means grumpy, tired, travel weary Wests have to take their bus on a couple of extra road trips during the year and get lumps kicked out of them at Hawera or Stratford, then great. That's what its all about.
 
 
 
 
 
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Nightz I didn't want to have to say anything on this topic but you really seem to have no idea, or have a poor view on the topic. The cup is quite precisely the cup. It should be RANDOM so any team from the region can draw each other and having to go away a few times if a team manages to get far in the cup well then I am sure there is enough money to accomodate this. Its ridiculous that teams from Wellington are getting kicked out in round one when other teams from Northern, Southern and Central haven't even started their campaigns. I play for Tawa and if it was so unfortunate that we got drawn away to Gisborne then Napier then Dunedin and so on (very, very unlikely) then I am sure as a club and a team we would find or have money to pay for this and still be prepared for the game. And yes its great for the piss up, but just because the lesser teams do it, all teams do and its great team bonding after having a good win or a close lose etc. Get your head in the game mate!!!
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almost 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Nightz has never played in the Chatham Cup

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almost 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
well don't give them byes put them all in the hat from round 1 then as the saying goes "you have to beat them all to win it" 
 
i think we have to make it a proper cup competion with the little guys getting the dream draw in the cup and see if there is a fairytale story would make a more intresting cup competition all round
 
and i know that mini buses or buses are too expensive to the central region and take some fans with you more enjoyable all round
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nightz wrote:
Lets bring some sense back to this topic and forget the idotic rants of James Dean.
 
Yes, everyone loves a boozy road trip. If you want to go on one than organise it for yourself at the end of the season like many already do.
Yes, Its good to play new teams.
Yes, you could travel up and down to the Naki/Napier in cars in 1 day to keep the costs down (not much fun if you are going for the purpose of a boozy road trip though).
Yes, I'm sure the lads from Eastbourne would love to play at Park Island but they could also get a home match against Gisborne who I'm sure like the rest of us wouldnt really want to travel to Bishop for a game.
 
Be realistic guys. The top clubs from our region already potentially face a south island trip and than an Auckland trip. I'm sure they wont want to be forking out dollars for potentially 3 other long trips (they travel in what you call style as they want to be properly prepared for games) before it gets down to the business end of the competition. Think of others for once and not your own selfish desires.
 
PS: Yes Uncle Steve you know that Olympic will get a run of bad away draws if these guys got there way.
 
Well if you're not interested in playing teams from outside of the region then why even enter the chatham cup?  The whole point of it is the opportunity to travel and play teams from different regions, why would you even do it otherwise?  Seriously,for clubs that don't play in a travelling league the opportunity to meet sides from outside the region is the only drawcard.  If your only possibility is a glamour tie in the kapiti coast then for me I can't really understand the point of spending the entry fee.  You keep using Gisborne as an example.  That's the most isolated place in the country so of course it's going to be difficult.  But it's going to be difficult for a team from Taranaki to draw Gisborne, as they already can do.
 
You say think of the big clubs that already might have to travel to the Sth Island.  Firstly, I'd have some sympathy if they weren't in a league that included fortnightly travel.  Secondly, the liklihood of getting a Sth Island team means you have already advanced to the quarters, so that realistically is only gong to be one of the big boys with the way the competition is structured.  Again, I don't have much sympathy.  That's the nature of the competition, you have to be prepared to travel if you want to win it.
 
If bigger sides want to travel and prepare, that is their perogative.  But equaly, smaller sides will do it cheaper and still enjoy themselves.
 
If you ask many players at a lower level what their best footballing memories are, I bet often it would be a great chatham cup run or an out of city tie.  We had a trip to Chch when I was playing in Dunedin and it was fantastic.  If we followed all of your suggestions football would be very dull. "Status quo, status quo, status quo!"
 
This is not about being selfish, it is about creating a true cup competition.  As it stands, you may as well get the top 2 from the top league in each federation and get them to play each other, because basically anyone else will be knocked out in the regional rounds, which if you go back and read it is sam's point in the first place. 
james dean2009-04-28 22:33:49

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