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Marius Lacatus wrote:
 All clubs that enter should at least have the belief that while they may not necessarily be able to win the cup, they can at least hope for a gutsy and memorable cup run, a couple of novel roadies and the thrill of knock out football.   
 
 
Marius, they should have that belief now. If they win enough games they get to travel.
 
James, not worth replying to you as you have trouble reading.
 
Footballmad, The statement you made, below, shows you agree with me, ie keep the status quo. Try reading the thread.
 
"It should be RANDOM so any team from the region can draw each other and having to go away a few times if a team manages to get far in the cup well then I am sure there is enough money to accomodate this".
 

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I notice you ignored Feverish's post...
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Nightz I have completely lost you. I am not agreeing with you one bit. Central and Wellington should all have been joined up for round 1 and be random this would make it much better and costs are not an issue what so ever.

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nightz wrote:
[Marius, they should have that belief now. If they win enough games they get to travel 
 
I.e. unless you can beat a Central League team a lower level team will NEVER get a true away trip.  How pointless, why pay the entry fee.
 
I see you're a real believer in the romance of the cup.
 
 

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wingback4eva wrote:
I notice you ignored Feverish's post...
 
Are you pointing out that his credibility has increased?

Incredible stamina. No shame. Yellow Fever.

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I didnt ignore it. It didnt require a response.

James Dean, if you think its only worth paying the entry fee to get an away trip (thats what you wrote isnt it) you are entering for the wrong reason. The current format of the draw has been around for a while now yet teams still enter, why is that James Dean? Could be the cup still holds its  romance.

 

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footballmad wrote:

Nightz I have completely lost you. I am not agreeing with you one bit. Central and Wellington should all have been joined up for round 1 and be random this would make it much better and costs are not an issue what so ever.

are you saying this in response as tawa or clubs in general? - i cant see how eastbourne (not that i know their finances) would be able to afford to travel to gissy first round... so it is an issue and im sure some of these rural clubs in central such as club "desert road"(theres no such thing but you get my drift) cant afford to travel to wellington. sure it would be a great road trip - but lets be realistic not every club can afford to fund a trip like the way tawa would - and to just presume the money would be found somewhere without stating the facts of where it comes from is just bull. If it did go wellington/central first round and my subs went up as a consequence to fund your ego/booze in a club where one man couldnt afford to fund the team to travel - i would be walking out the door faster than you could say 2nd round trip.

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F**K, ok I'll amdit I was wrong.
 
I must be going mad or something as I've got bobbolton agreeing with me. Sorry guys (except James Dean) I was wrong and you all were right.
 
 

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bobboltontawa2 wrote:
footballmad wrote:

Nightz I have completely lost you. I am not agreeing with you one bit. Central and Wellington should all have been joined up for round 1 and be random this would make it much better and costs are not an issue what so ever.

are you saying this in response as tawa or clubs in general? - i cant see how eastbourne (not that i know their finances) would be able to afford to travel to gissy first round... so it is an issue and im sure some of these rural clubs in central such as club "desert road"(theres no such thing but you get my drift) cant afford to travel to wellington. sure it would be a great road trip - but lets be realistic not every club can afford to fund a trip like the way tawa would - and to just presume the money would be found somewhere without stating the facts of where it comes from is just bull. If it did go wellington/central first round and my subs went up as a consequence to fund your ego/booze in a club where one man couldnt afford to fund the team to travel - i would be walking out the door faster than you could say 2nd round trip.

 
If this is not reason enough to make it wellington/central first round, I really don't know what is.  Come on NZFA, change the structure and put the subs up - you will be doing everyone a favour.

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yea we turn it into hockey and pay 350 a year - good sh*t

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Don't be so ridiculous. Why the hell would subs go out. I'm sure people from you "rural club" can afford some petrol money to travel away without it affecting your precious subs. And yes next comment will be what if you go to Gisborne, but thats ONE team that this could happen to.
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And if money is that hard to find do a raffle for some cash for the petrol
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it's a bit of a worry Nightx when only bobbolton understands what the heck your logic is.

So have you played in the Chatham Cup?

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footballmad wrote:
And if money is that hard to find do a raffle for some cash for the petrol
 
what do a 2 dollar raffle 50 times to raise the funds??? no that is a f**king joke - if you want to travel get into central league, but then again you have chocked at that for the last 5 years --- next thing you know you'll be asking for central teams be allowed into premier league.
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footballmad wrote:
Don't be so ridiculous. Why the hell would subs go out. I'm sure people from you "rural club" can afford some petrol money to travel away without it affecting your precious subs. And yes next comment will be what if you go to Gisborne, but thats ONE team that this could happen to.
 
Exactly mate, people on here are talking like you're going to have to fly to Australia.  Let's have a bit of perspective please.

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nightz wrote:

James Dean, if you think its only worth paying the entry fee to get an away trip (thats what you wrote isnt it) you are entering for the wrong reason. The current format of the draw has been around for a while now yet teams still enter, why is that James Dean? Could be the cup still holds its  romance.

 
I wouldn't expect you to appreciate my argument, but go back and have another read if that's what you think it boils down to.
 
STATUS QUO, STATUS QUO, STATUS QUO
 
And if you've never played in the cup, perhaps you just don't appreciate how enjoyable it is, how memorable the occasions are, when you get an away trip.  I'm sure there are others who agree with me.
james dean2009-04-30 21:39:02

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james dean wrote:
nightz wrote:

James Dean, if you think its only worth paying the entry fee to get an away trip (thats what you wrote isnt it) you are entering for the wrong reason. The current format of the draw has been around for a while now yet teams still enter, why is that James Dean? Could be the cup still holds its  romance.

 
I wouldn't expect you to appreciate my argument, but go back and have another read if that's what you think it boils down to.
 
STATUS QUO, STATUS QUO, STATUS QUO
 
And if you've never played in the cup, perhaps you just don't appreciate how enjoyable it is, how memorable the occasions are, when you get an away trip.  I'm sure there are others who agree with me.
 
the cup isnt about the travel though - sure its an added bonus for teams that are good enough to get to that stage but there are plenty more factors to take into than just having a great trip away - and i cant argue the fact that away trips bring together a team and great booze trips.
 
funny ive played chatham cup against eastbourne - even scored to knock them out, a win in the chatham cup was more important than worrying about getting pissed on the road trip back. went on to lose to petone (who were in premier league at that stage)
 
the factors for not travling 1st round far outway the benefits or reasons for wanting to travel first round. im sure  wellington teams such as wellington collge, eastbourne, douglas villa, bnu love the fact for 1 weekend they get the oppoturnity (if the random draw is kind)  to play great teams such as tawas,petones,island bays, miramars, olympics, uniteds. theres no better pleasure in playing olympic in the 1st round as an absoulte minnow and losing 13-1.
 
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I'm a bit confused but ok, I guess we'll just say that there are different views on the matter and leave it at that
 
I wouldn't really call Eastbourne a road trip though...
james dean2009-04-30 21:57:04

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james dean wrote:
I'm a bit confused but ok, I guess we'll just say that there are different views on the matter and leave it at that
 
I wouldn't really call Eastbourne a road trip though...
 
thats the point you dont need a road trip to pick up a win or an excuse for a trip to town. 
 
 
 
bobboltontawa22009-04-30 22:04:09
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james dean wrote:
I'm a bit confused but ok, I guess we'll just say that there are different views on the matter and leave it at that
 
I wouldn't really call Eastbourne a road trip though...
 
yeah it's easier to take the ferry..

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this is what the cups about
Olympic:   13         May 2, 2004  Wellington College:    0       Newtown Park 1     
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bobboltontawa2 wrote:
footballmad wrote:
And if money is that hard to find do a raffle for some cash for the petrol
 
what do a 2 dollar raffle 50 times to raise the funds??? no that is a f**king joke - if you want to travel get into central league, but then again you have chocked at that for the last 5 years --- next thing you know you'll be asking for central teams be allowed into premier league.
 
Thats  the pot calling the kettle black, your club has come second for 3 years in a row in Champs Premier, if thats not choking what is??
 
 
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Stop Press wrote:
bobboltontawa2 wrote:
footballmad wrote:
And if money is that hard to find do a raffle for some cash for the petrol
 
what do a 2 dollar raffle 50 times to raise the funds??? no that is a f**king joke - if you want to travel get into central league, but then again you have chocked at that for the last 5 years --- next thing you know you'll be asking for central teams be allowed into premier league.
 
Thats  the pot calling the kettle black, your club has come second for 3 years in a row in Champs Premier, if thats not choking what is??
 
 
 
 football mad is tawa.
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bobboltontawa2 wrote:
this is what the cups about
Olympic:   13         May 2, 2004  Wellington College:    0       Newtown Park 1     
 
Wellington College have made the Quarters on 2 occasions.
 
And I don't see how this adds to anything, there will always be mismatches in the early rounds whether it's wellington teams playing each othe ror you open it up like some are advocating.

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End of the day people have there own views. But the main point I think is its stupid that all these teams are entering from other regions at round 2 when teams like Tawa, Island Bay, Karori have already played 2 games (if they make it that far) and Wairarapa, Olympic, Miramar, Petone, Lower Hutt and Wellington United have already played a game (again if they make it that far). Does this Seem fair??? My view is no especially when there are some pretty average teams entering at round 2. The last three years playing for Tawa we have had an easy first game then had to play Miramar (three years ago), Wests (two years ago) and Olympic (last year). Much easier to go further if we got some of the easier central teams. And yes I know if we want to win it we have to beat everyone but realistically we won't, so I would like to get as far as possible in the competition.
How can this be more fairer and get better teams going into further rounds?? Joining central and Wellington straight away.
 
Bobbolton why do $2 raffles thats not going to get you much money
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I agree with the people who want the central teams in earlier! Because Wellington is such a strong area, they get punished for it, and some poor central area sides get an easy run. I dont mind clubs travelling to rural towns to play, i think thats what the cup about.
 
I dont think its about a piss trip either! Some of the smaller clubs could have a lucky draw and make some the bigger Central league clubs ie West, Miramar, Lower Hutt etc travel to their sh*te small homegrounds. Anything to mix it up i think!!
 
A thing i dont agree with in the current structure, is that teams from say taupo already have to travel to say auckland! How is that different! In Nelson 3 teams entered the cup, Nelson united played Richmond (both local first division) in the 1st Qualifying  round, then the winner of that had to play Nelson Suburbs (mainland Prem League) in a second Qualifying to get one team from Nelson to play against the Chch teams. Why filter out the sh*te when they could get a dream fixture at home and possibly win, and knock out one of the bigger Prem league sides. 
 
To me that is what the cup is about, going to rural places and having to grind out results, and posssilbly seeing major upsets! If some teams get drilled 10-0, maybe they shouldnt be in the cup!
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those two last posts are quality. spot on. amen
 
(with exception of OEN's final remark - which Buffon, see below, rightly had violent reaction to)
Marius Lacatus2009-05-01 19:37:30
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one_eyed_nik wrote:
To me that is what the cup is about, going to rural places and having to grind out results, and posssilbly seeing major upsets! If some teams get drilled 10-0, maybe they shouldnt be in the cup!


Really? You really meant this?

The Cup is meant to be a knockout competition open to the 1st team at any club in New Zealand with the addition of premier secondary school teams and the odd pub team.

If we take your point of view why don't we just make it elitist and only include clubs who have a chance to win it??

Dreadful, dreadful comment.

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Well i meant it in the sense that if teams dont want to travel early on in the cup then they shouldnt be in there. Sorry to offend!
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none taken on my part. and shouldnt detract from an otherwise inspired post
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bobboltontawa2 wrote:
this is what the cups about
Olympic:   13         May 2, 2004  Wellington College:    0       Newtown Park 1     
 
Ha, i'd forgotten about that day. Good times
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righto, now that everybody is well and truly convinced that the Cup is rigged in favour of central region teams and against any team i have ever played for, focus returns to this weekend's Round 1 showdowns.
 
Match of the round - greeks vs lower hutt. Im picking the bubbles.
An upset or two would be good. wont be from the vegas or eastbourne. could be a couple of cricket scores. maybe naenae, the wharf or even IB to shake things up.
 
 
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 dunedin teams get punished the worst.. dunedin tech, roslyn and caversham could all compete happily in central league... yet only one team gets out of dunedin into the 1/4 finals of the cup and to get there they require a hard run right from round 2 usually. 
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just like otago can compete in the NZFC... oh man your real funny
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Stop Out             __    Naenae               __
Island Bay Utd       __    Miramar Rangers      __
Olympic              __    Lower Hutt City      __
Petone               __    Stokes Valley        __
Wairarapa Utd        __    Waterside Karori     __
North Wellington     __    Tawa                 __
Eastbourne           __    Western Suburbs      __
Kapiti Coast Utd     __    Wellington Utd       __

 
maybe karori, slight chance the Bay..
 
 
but should run to form...
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for me horseshead is correct in terms of last yr. i am a tech player and we beat cavy in the cup who ended up winning the league and went on to play mirimar who won the central league who hadnt conceded in something like 7/8 games before playing us. we were 2up ater 20min. although the final scoreline was 2-1 it was far more comfortable than this suggests, all respect to mirimar. but tech finished 3rd in the league behind cavy and roslyn. i have also played in the central league and believe these 3 teams could compete in the central league. im not saying we would win of course but definatley would not disgrace ourselfs
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jonny cash otago united is a separate issue. The point that parca makes is true. Also figure in that cavy beat nomads 3-1 and roslyn beat nelson (who made the chatham cup semi final, and were unbeaten in the mainland prem league) 2-0 in the SI champ semi finals. I'm just saying there is evidence that dunedin club football is stronger than the set up of the chatham cup suggests. I agree also parca I watched that game vs Mar and you guys could have won by 3 or 4 it was a pritty comfortable win really.
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almost 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Fair calls, i reckon some wellington teams do get it easy, i mean in hawkes bay, some premier clubs get seeded through 1st round and they are minging.. rovers go straight through to round 3 i believe??... how wack is it/? haha
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RJM11 wrote:
Fair calls, i reckon some wellington teams do get it easy, i mean in hawkes bay, some premier clubs get seeded through 1st round and they are minging.. rovers go straight through to round 3 i believe??... how wack is it/? haha
 
The Wellington teams get stiffed. Its the central region teams (ie taranaki, palmy and Hawkes bay) that get the easy ride, and that's not just Rovers but a selection of v average clubs that play below the Central league. by round 2, Wgtn-based central league teams have already played a game (and if the draw's rough, they could have played or been knocked out by another central league team) and Champs Premier sides (most of which would be better sides than some of these central region teams we're talking about) have played two matches.
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