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04 Jun 09:35 · edited 04 Jun 09:39 · History

innit. Easiest way to not give away penalties, is to avoid making careless fouls in the penalty area.

04 Jun 10:21

patrick478 wrote:

Nelfoos wrote:

Everyone I talked to said the penalty was an abysmal decision, but the people I'm talking to are biased.

You could say the penalty was soft, Keeper got the to the ball first but took out Gregorius as well, so it was a pen

I always find it hilarious when players go straight through others, and try to argue it's not a foul because they touched the ball.

Did I mention you got that card wrong yesterday (although I didn't really see what you eventually booked him for)? ;)

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04 Jun 11:15

Feverish wrote:

patrick478 wrote:

Nelfoos wrote:

Everyone I talked to said the penalty was an abysmal decision, but the people I'm talking to are biased.

You could say the penalty was soft, Keeper got the to the ball first but took out Gregorius as well, so it was a pen

I always find it hilarious when players go straight through others, and try to argue it's not a foul because they touched the ball.

Did I mention you got that card wrong yesterday (although I didn't really see what you eventually booked him for)? ;)

Yes, you did tell me (from 30 meters away)! ?

Yellow Fever - Misery loves company

05 Jun 08:08

patrick478 wrote:

Nelfoos wrote:

Everyone I talked to said the penalty was an abysmal decision, but the people I'm talking to are biased.

You could say the penalty was soft, Keeper got the to the ball first but took out Gregorius as well, so it was a pen

I always find it hilarious when players go straight through others, and try to argue it's not a foul because they touched the ball.

Agree that is hilarious but it's equally hilarious when a referee says the same thing to justify a terrible tackle - which happened three times in my game on the weekend. I eventually got a yellow card for trying to explain that "he got the ball" isn't actually a rule and I know people will say you shouldn't talk to the ref but it was pretty frustrating after the third time (for us - the other team had some very rough calls too). He had a shocker and unfortunately for him he was being assessed, but then again I think that could have been the problem. 

That turned into a bit of a rant, point is I know plenty of players don't know the rule book back to front but we're all human :)

Fuck this stupid game

05 Jun 08:11

TopLeft07 wrote:

patrick478 wrote:

Nelfoos wrote:

Everyone I talked to said the penalty was an abysmal decision, but the people I'm talking to are biased.

You could say the penalty was soft, Keeper got the to the ball first but took out Gregorius as well, so it was a pen

I always find it hilarious when players go straight through others, and try to argue it's not a foul because they touched the ball.

Agree that is hilarious but it's equally hilarious when a referee says the same thing to justify a terrible tackle - which happened three times in my game on the weekend. I eventually got a yellow card for trying to explain that "he got the ball" isn't actually a rule and I know people will say you shouldn't talk to the ref but it was pretty frustrating after the third time (for us - the other team had some very rough calls too). He had a shocker and unfortunately for him he was being assessed, but then again I think that could have been the problem. 

That turned into a bit of a rant, point is I know plenty of players don't know the rule book back to front but we're all human :)

See, I wouldn't say that it's an unfortunate thing that there was an assesor there. Assesor's are more like coaches than assessors, they are there to help refs get better, not to just tell them off for things they do wrong.

Not commenting on the incidents in question here - but if there's a general thing that a ref needs to work on, the assessors will be able to work with the ref after the match to talk through the issues.


Yellow Fever - Misery loves company

05 Jun 08:30
Well in my experience it seems that more often than not the ref has a shocker when he's being assessed, to the point it's pretty much expected and I don't know if it's the added pressure or trying to stick to every rule rather than applying common sense but it can't be a good thing.

Fuck this stupid game

07 Jun 06:43

I wasn't there but....moving the ball away from a corner kick then running away and  gesture to another team mate  to 'retake it' the second player then can takes it or crosses it from where the ball is found so as to confuse the deffending team is deception and therefore 'unsporting', yellow card and free kick. I think Man U did this years ago and got pinged.

07 Jun 06:47

topiary wrote:

I wasn't there but....moving the ball away from a corner kick then running away and  gesture to another team mate  to 'retake it' the second player then can takes it or crosses it from where the ball is found so as to confuse the deffending team is deception and therefore 'unsporting', yellow card and free kick. I think Man U did this years ago and got pinged.

I've seen it before and nothing got called, Wellington United were pretty adamant they were allowed to do it

any refs know what the rule is?

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07 Jun 07:22

topiary wrote:

I wasn't there but....moving the ball away from a corner kick then running away and  gesture to another team mate  to 'retake it' the second player then can takes it or crosses it from where the ball is found so as to confuse the deffending team is deception and therefore 'unsporting', yellow card and free kick. I think Man U did this years ago and got pinged.

I've seen it before and nothing got called, Wellington United were pretty adamant they were allowed to do it

any refs know what the rule is?

the ball is in play when kicked by an attacker outide the corner arc. Any other scenario is covered by laws of game  and too numerous to cover here unless specified!
07 Jun 07:30

keefy_NZ wrote:

topiary wrote:

I wasn't there but....moving the ball away from a corner kick then running away and  gesture to another team mate  to 'retake it' the second player then can takes it or crosses it from where the ball is found so as to confuse the deffending team is deception and therefore 'unsporting', yellow card and free kick. I think Man U did this years ago and got pinged.

I've seen it before and nothing got called, Wellington United were pretty adamant they were allowed to do it

any refs know what the rule is?

the ball is in play when kicked by an attacker outide the corner arc. Any other scenario is covered by laws of game  and too numerous to cover here unless specified!

you need to notify the ref if you are doing that carry on -otherwise he will never know what was going down

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07 Jun 07:33

keefy_NZ wrote:

topiary wrote:

I wasn't there but....moving the ball away from a corner kick then running away and  gesture to another team mate  to 'retake it' the second player then can takes it or crosses it from where the ball is found so as to confuse the deffending team is deception and therefore 'unsporting', yellow card and free kick. I think Man U did this years ago and got pinged.

I've seen it before and nothing got called, Wellington United were pretty adamant they were allowed to do it

any refs know what the rule is?

the ball is in play when kicked by an attacker outide the corner arc. Any other scenario is covered by laws of game  and too numerous to cover here unless specified!

IANAR but

"The ball is in play when it is kicked and clearly moves; it does not need to leave the corner area."
Law 17 
http://www.theifab.com/laws/the-corner-kick/chapte...

changed at "2016/17 laws"; immediately before then it didn't have the "clearly".

If the ref didn't see it move, then it could be argued that the ball didn't "clearly move".

07 Jun 08:06

Oops  fair call there. If ball is kicked and moves game on!!

07 Jun 08:10

keefy_NZ wrote:

Oops  fair call there. If ball is kicked and moves game on!!

And no need to notify ref but so unusual. Hope any interpretation is game changing
07 Jun 08:14

keefy_NZ wrote:

keefy_NZ wrote:

Oops  fair call there. If ball is kicked and moves game on!!

And no need to notify ref but so unusual. Hope any interpretation is''nt  game changing

07 Jun 08:30

keefy_NZ wrote:

keefy_NZ wrote:

Oops  fair call there. If ball is kicked and moves game on!!

And no need to notify ref but so unusual. Hope any interpretation is game changing

not needed by law but good luck doing it if you don't

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07 Jun 12:24

Feverish wrote:

keefy_NZ wrote:

topiary wrote:

I wasn't there but....moving the ball away from a corner kick then running away and  gesture to another team mate  to 'retake it' the second player then can takes it or crosses it from where the ball is found so as to confuse the deffending team is deception and therefore 'unsporting', yellow card and free kick. I think Man U did this years ago and got pinged.

I've seen it before and nothing got called, Wellington United were pretty adamant they were allowed to do it

any refs know what the rule is?

the ball is in play when kicked by an attacker outide the corner arc. Any other scenario is covered by laws of game  and too numerous to cover here unless specified!

you need to notify the ref if you are doing that carry on -otherwise he will never know what was going down

That was probably the problem, the AR saw it and said it had been played but the refs weren't miked up like they would have been in a Chatham Cup (ie Men's) game so the ref blew as he thought Briar Palmer was playing the ball to herself

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08 Jun 05:10 · edited 08 Jun 05:28 · History

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08 Jun 05:17

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08 Jun 05:36

The innovative corner has been used without penalty quite often over the years.

For instance both Waterside Karori and Miramar Rangers in the national league

in the 1980s.

I got a bit ratty when an opposing coach tried it in an under-12 game. I told

him not to be so silly at that age and (as ref) ordered a re-kick.

08 Jun 05:38

the refs weren't miked up like they would have been in a Chatham Cup (ie Men's) game 

I know you're trying to call for equality between mens and womens football here - but this is simply untrue. We didn't even have beep flags for the Chatham Cup game I did on Monday, let alone comms.

Yellow Fever - Misery loves company

08 Jun 07:09

patrick478 wrote:

the refs weren't miked up like they would have been in a Chatham Cup (ie Men's) game 

I know you're trying to call for equality between mens and womens football here - but this is simply untrue. We didn't even have beep flags for the Chatham Cup game I did on Monday, let alone comms.

fair enough - I though I saw it at the Chatham cup game I was at but I'm not sure I did, think it may have been the Mar v Rapa Central League game - the perils of watching 8 games over the weekend!

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08 Jun 07:17

I looked at this league for my preview today and man it's uneven. One team had scored like 50 goals and one team 4 goals.

I know nothing about women's footy but surely this is not the best version of the truth?

Incredible stamina. No shame. Yellow Fever.

08 Jun 08:02

Smithy wrote:

I looked at this league for my preview today and man it's uneven. One team had scored like 50 goals and one team 4 goals.

I know nothing about women's footy but surely this is not the best version of the truth?

It's a 6 team league with 3 divisions in it

Title challengers - Upper Hutt, Wgtn Utd & Palmy Marist 

Then there is Seatoun, used to be (and still are) a decent team but are aging and not able to keep up with the younger players of the top 3

then there is Stop Out & Rapa battling it out for the wooden spoon and trying (unsuccessfully) not to concede many goals

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08 Jun 08:59 · edited 08 Jun 09:04 · History

patrick478 wrote:

the refs weren't miked up like they would have been in a Chatham Cup (ie Men's) game 

I know you're trying to call for equality between mens and womens football here - but this is simply untrue. We didn't even have beep flags for the Chatham Cup game I did on Monday, let alone comms.

Actually, Beep flags would have(very likely)  been used in two of the wormens cup games given the officials present.

15 Jun 09:25

zonknz wrote:

equity intended or equality misspelt?

They've put out a document about this (linked from the club newsletter which is public now). I'm pretty sure they mean equality...

15 Jun 10:07

yomcat wrote:

zonknz wrote:

equity intended or equality misspelt?

They've put out a document about this (linked from the club newsletter which is public now). I'm pretty sure they mean equality...

Don't know why Cap Football didn't wait until this document was ready until they added it to the email. The vague as hell email about equity was just weird, even if they had said equality not equity.

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15 Jun 10:07 · edited 15 Jun 10:08 · History

Interesting. I note that Stopout W and Central League teams are now kicking off at the same time on Sat, so should be a joint function etc, same number in the ball crews for each game.

15 Jun 10:10

Speaking of which, interesting appointment!

15 Jun 10:12

I think equity makes sense; the clubs 'taking a stake' in the womens game, rather than playing lip service to the same number of chairs out in the technical area for both.("equality")

15 Jun 21:33

zonknz wrote:

Speaking of which, interesting appointment!

That's my fault. I'm suppose to be doing Cap 1 game at that time but am injured, so Jamie assigned himself to this game and referee originally on this game is now doing my Cap 1 game. 

I'm an optimistic pessimist. 
I'm positive things will go wrong.
15 Jun 21:40

zonknz wrote:

Interesting. I note that Stopout W and Central League teams are now kicking off at the same time on Sat, so should be a joint function etc, same number in the ball crews for each game.

When I was out there they had a joint function (with all the teams, not just the Hutt Park ones), but no ball kids (for any games, I think the concurrent game was against Seatoun reserves in Cap something, so no ball kids anyway).

The lack of ball kids at W-League is annoying, especially at places where there's no nearby fence - Hutt Park (and Newtown, though Wellington United provide ball kids) is a prime example.

15 Jun 21:59

It will be interesting to see if there is a review of the changes where a discussion can be held about the good and bad points a move to Saturdays has brought about.

16 Jun 04:42

zonknz wrote:

Interesting. I note that Stopout W and Central League teams are now kicking off at the same time on Sat, so should be a joint function etc, same number in the ball crews for each game.

If they finish their respective games at the same time it could be interesting with the boys and girls showering in the same changing rooms

16 Jun 05:52

whatever wrote:

zonknz wrote:

Interesting. I note that Stopout W and Central League teams are now kicking off at the same time on Sat, so should be a joint function etc, same number in the ball crews for each game.

If they finish their respective games at the same time it could be interesting with the boys and girls showering in the same changing rooms

Down boy

Confusing all this equity/ equality banter. Good that they want to maintain standards. Being on Sat would make it harder for some clubs. Also not sure what the relevance is to non WL clubs

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16 Jun 09:29 · edited 16 Jun 09:31 · History

whatever wrote:

zonknz wrote:

Interesting. I note that Stopout W and Central League teams are now kicking off at the same time on Sat, so should be a joint function etc, same number in the ball crews for each game.

If they finish their respective games at the same time it could be interesting with the boys and girls showering in the same changing rooms

This is an issue even at different kick offs; i.e a cap (n) game at seatoun following w league match..

20 Jun 12:19

Round 3 of the NWKO Cup this weekend


Seatoun v Palmerston North Marist, Seatoun Park, KO 12:30, Saturday

Seatoun beat BNU 2-0, while Palmy Marist beat Wellington United 2-0 in the last round, both teams had byes for the first round

They have never met in the NWKO Cup before

Seatoun have reached the Semi-Finals 6 times (2004, 05, 06, 07, 08 & 13)

Palmerston North Marist's best performance was reaching the Quarter final stage in 1994 & 96

My Pick : Palmerston North Marist

Upper Hutt City v Wairarapa United, Maidstone, KO 3:30, Saturday

Upper Hutt City beat Victoria University 1-0, Wairarapa United beat Stop Out 2-0 in the last round, both teams had byes in the first round

Previous NWKO meetings

1999 Wairarapa United 9 Upper Hutt City 0

Upper Hutt City's best performance was reaching the semi-finals in 2009 & 2016

Wairarapa United were runners up in 1999 & 2000 (losing 3-2 to Three Kings United & 6-0 to Lynn-Avon United)

My Pick : Upper Hutt City

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23 Jun 10:00

Neither of the above matches seem worth a watch after Seatoun losing to Stop Out... I am more interested by the Vic Uni game on the Sunady against Karori (if I read the right date?)

23 Jun 23:25

Neither of the above matches seem worth a watch after Seatoun losing to Stop Out... I am more interested by the Vic Uni game on the Sunady against Karori (if I read the right date?)

Yup that's gonna be a huge game, only team Vic Uni are yet to beat this season. Next week is their biggest game of the season though vs Wgtn United.

Valley FC til I die?

25 Jun 04:57

Nelfoos wrote:

Neither of the above matches seem worth a watch after Seatoun losing to Stop Out... I am more interested by the Vic Uni game on the Sunady against Karori (if I read the right date?)

Yup that's gonna be a huge game, only team Vic Uni are yet to beat this season. Next week is their biggest game of the season though vs Wgtn United.

Karori win 3-2

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