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Junior Coaching Courses Requirements
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hey hey, this isn't a dating website.
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hey hey, this isn't a dating website.
they will have to wait for the web upgrade later this year
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hey hey, this isn't a dating website.
they will have to wait for the web upgrade later this year
YF have the funds fior this????
Queenslander 3x a year.
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I think taking the points system away up to a certain age is a joke. Kids have to learn to win and loose and i think the younger they learn this the better. I can't see how this will benefit young players coming through. Lucious for someone like you this coaching course sounds like a waste of time but for someone new or less qualified it is a good idea. I would just go along put up with the 4 hours of pain and get on with it. Would be a shame for your team to loose you over a matter like this. Maybe Capital Football could wave the fees on this course and pay for it with all the revenue there gathering from clubs for BS fees and administration.
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Waste of time spending 4 hours on theory unless they are going to spend twice as much time teaching you how to teach kids the technical aspects of the game. I can see why Laurie wouldnt want to do this course.
That is what level 2 is for. Surely it is best to learn techniques in how to coach kids, before teaching coaches techniques and tactics.
And you only need to teach techniques, tactics are only for those grades were winning matters.
A dog with a bone :)
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I think taking the points system away�up to a certain age�is a joke. Kids have to learn to win and loose and i think the younger they learn this the better. I can't see how this will benefit young players coming through.�Lucious for someone like you this coaching course�sounds like a waste of time but for someone new or less qualified it is a good idea. I would just go along put up with the 4 hours of�pain and get on with it. Would be a shame for your�team to loose you over a matter like this. �Maybe Capital Football could wave the fees on this course and pay for it �with all the revenue there gathering�from clubs for BS fees and administration.
Kids are competitive by nature. They will want to know the score, and they will try and win every game. What not keeping a cumulative points table does is stops parents/coaches from obsessing on who is on top of the table and obtaining self worth from their kids teams results rather than on developing players skills.
Kids know who the winners and losers are and there is no need for a points table at any age under 10 IMO.
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I think taking the points system away�up to a certain age�is a joke. Kids have to learn to win and loose and i think the younger they learn this the better. I can't see how this will benefit young players coming through.�Lucious for someone like you this coaching course�sounds like a waste of time but for someone new or less qualified it is a good idea. I would just go along put up with the 4 hours of�pain and get on with it. Would be a shame for your�team to loose you over a matter like this. �Maybe Capital Football could wave the fees on this course and pay for it �with all the revenue there gathering�from clubs for BS fees and administration.
The cost is not the issue, you can come off the street and do a 4 hour course and then coach a 10 year old team, you could be a paedophile they dont care, I have 30 years coaching juniors, done very well, but will not do the course and can't coach....
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same applies to people who haven't done the course. Completely different issue.
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Waste of time spending 4 hours on theory unless they are going to spend twice as much time teaching you how to teach kids the technical aspects of the game. I can see why Laurie wouldnt want to do this course.
That is what level 2 is for. Surely it is best to learn techniques in how to coach kids, before teaching coaches techniques and tactics.
And you only need to teach techniques, tactics are only for those grades were winning matters.
But then you'd get people complaining about committing a whole day to go do a course. And for your information, there are four modules at Level 2: Technical, tactical, football fitness, and player centred coaching.
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Good coaching of 8 year olds has nothing to do with finishing top or bottom of a league. Therefore, I can completely understand why league tables aren't published.
I think removing individual match scores is a bit silly - people count and kids know. But I can understand why it is done. A story - my club in ages 10-12 poached a lot of the kids from other teams in the wellington region so that we could win under 11, 12 and 13 regional leagues. I ended up missing out on the side because of the influx of players.
I do think Greenie's point is a good one though. If an individual club can demonstrate that it is giving an equivalent course for its members then that should be satisfactory. Capital footballl and NZF are not the only arbiters of coaching best practice and not the only ones with the ability to deliver these courses. This should be about empowering clubs, not taxing well meaning volunteers.
Lucious I have to admit I have very little sympathy for you. Yes it's a pain but if you quit in a fit of pique the only losers will be you and the kids you coach. Suck it up and do the course
Normo's coming home
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agreed! man up! sit there for 4 hours, share your knowledge and get the certification. CArry on doing what you love.
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agreed! man up! sit there for 4 hours, share your knowledge and get the certification. CArry on doing what you love.
Maybe I'm old school but I feel I've earned my stripes, put your self in my position all those years, one or two sessions a week. Saturday mornings and travel to games and now I have to sit a bloody course to see if I measure up if I want to continue, well there ain't gonna be no course, I'll give you the tip.
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Can't beleive that you seriously think that becuase though you've been coaching for so long that you should be simply given accreditation. Who's to say you've been doing it the right way for the last 30 years??? IMO it sounds like you're looking for an excuse to give up and you've been handed one with this new accreditation process.
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Just like someone who has a drivers license, he should have to re-sit the Whole test (theory and practical) every year. Coaching kids how to play soccer is now so important that coaches must re-sit the test every 12 months to keep up the the eccentric system.
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I would be more concerend about if Adults who want to coach Kids have had Police or background checks rather than a basic coaching course. There are some strange ones out there
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Can't beleive that you seriously think that becuase though you've been coaching for so long that you should be simply given accreditation. Who's to say you've been doing it the right way for the last 30 years??? IMO it sounds like you're looking for an excuse to give up and you've been handed one with this new accreditation process.
I think my record is pretty sound, if I've been doing it all wrong for 30 years some pretty handy players have survived my wrong way training and gone on to better things. Your opinion could not be further from the truth,not that your opinion is of any consequence.
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So how is CF meant to verify your record then? The way you talk makes you sounds like you believe you have nothing else to learn.
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I am a builder by trade and currently all builders are going through a new license scheme that comes into play in march next year. I have only been building 8 years but had no problem getting it and i must admit the whole thing is a joke full of loop holes and won't fix the leaky building problems this country is facing. Anyhow there are builders who have been building a good 30 years in the trade and they have to get this. They are pissed about this and some are refusing to apply but at the end of the day they still have to get the license otherwise they can't build for themselves. IMO i don't think they should have to get it but the fact is it is so easy to get they are just getting on with it and getting it. Not being rude but I suggest you do the same. It would be a shame if your team lost you as a coach over something as small as this.
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The problem is they keep changing the courses and accreditation. I first started coaching in 2000 and was a bit disappointed with an older coaches view on not sitting any more accreditation courses "he had already sat 2". A bit arrogant I thought. But now 11 years later it has changed 3 more times, and can now relate to someone was has been around a bit and expected to sit the latest courses with little regard for previous experience and qualifications I'm all for change in the right direction but we seem to change to the next big thing every 4 years.
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Yes agreed that the courses change, however I too have been coaching juniors for 8 years now and I too thought 'here we go' another course, but I went and I actually learned quite a bit. I don't purport to being the best coach in the world, but I wanted to hear what the new coaching was all about and learn more about the WOFP. To put it simply, what NZF are doing is brilliant, it makes total sense. Once I sat down with our local FDO and learnt more about the concept and what benefits it would provide the kids I decided I would put my money where my mouth was and attend. it's great, and I also took my 13 year old son along, he too did the course and has used some of the information contained (for the fun football level ie 7-8 year olds) and is coaching a PDP team. It's given him confidence and what more could we ask than a programme that fits for anyone who wants to learn, and improve their knowledge.
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clearly NZF will change the requirements as the next "big" thing comes in for football. At the end of the day as a parent of f future footballer who I hope receives good coaching I would hope that the coach is up to date or at least aware of the recent chanfges in NZF/FIFA requirements.
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well I did another component of the new coaching accreditation yesterday
and I reckon if you are not learning something positive from these courses It's probably because you don't want to.
Have a go anyway, even listening to other teams coach's might be helpful. Or look at it is networking to get your sides some non-comp games against other sides who might have a motivated coach.
and I reckon if you are not learning something positive from these courses It's probably because you don't want to.
Have a go anyway, even listening to other teams coach's might be helpful. Or look at it is networking to get your sides some non-comp games against other sides who might have a motivated coach.
E's Flat Ah's Flat Too
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I did my Youth Level 2 Tactical module on Friday night with 2ndBest (who said the Fever exec don't know how to party?).
It was good.
Incredible stamina. No shame. Yellow Fever.
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well I did another component of the new coaching accreditation yesterday
and I reckon if you are not learning something positive from these courses It's probably because you don't want to.
Have a go anyway, even listening to other teams coach's might be helpful. Or look at it is networking to get your sides some non-comp games against other sides who might have a motivated coach.
and I reckon if you are not learning something positive from these courses It's probably because you don't want to.
Have a go anyway, even listening to other teams coach's might be helpful. Or look at it is networking to get your sides some non-comp games against other sides who might have a motivated coach.
there are a couple of threads in here where you can chuck your thoughts...
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Doesn�t seem to be a topic replicating this one in the coaching section so I�ll attempt to throw my tuppence worth in here.
I support the Whole of Football plan but there are some challenges with its implementation, especially in regards to what has been written in this thread.
I�d like to think there could be some recognition of prior learning, as there is in other sports and actually was in the old CNZ qualification.
At the cliff face it�s not as easy as just saying you have to do this course or that course or you can�t coach. Some of us clubs don�t have that luxury. My club [in HB] is a junior club with 15 junior teams, 14 of those teams are coached by parents that have kids in their team. The other team is coached by a senior player, 1 coach has a university coaching diploma [but coached another sport], 2 are currently sitting the junior level 1 course, and most of the others [including the ones already mentioned] have done the Small Whites Course. If our club refused to allow parents to coach without going through the new coaching qualification, we would struggle to get coaches. I�m only basing this on my dealings with the coaches in the club [I coordinate them] and that is the gut feeling I get from that. I�m certain that many other clubs will have the same problem.
Central Football certainly haven�t signalled that they will be going the same way as Capital football but, undoubtedly, HB will go the same way if sense doesn�t prevail.
Another gut feeling is that our kids will be better off being coached by qualified coaches but I�m not sure there is empirical evidence to back that up. I know of an overseas sports organisation [not football] that imposes a similar restriction on their senior competition and has done for 5 or more years. I don�t know what difficulties there are in maintaining that but the consensus is that the standard of play has not improved, significantly or at all, over that period.
Book knowledge is a valuable tool in the coaches toolbox but there are other tools of equal importance that can help develop kids as players and citizens.
Solution? Well how about the likes of Central Football/Capital Football actually visiting each club and running a short and sharp course [4 or 5 hours] that provides the right stuff for coaches � something like a Small Whites Course on steroids. Do it for free too. We have a talented player pathway in place now [at a cost] and we should have the same for coaches too.
As it stands now, everyone doesn�t go to a free Small Whites Course [and I have never ever heard a bad report on that course] how can we expect people to go to a �proper� course at a cost? Not going to happen.
There needs to be some practicality in play here.
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Good thoughts. I guess on the flipside, if by "practicality" you mean "giving away the coaching licence without actually going to the course on the basis that the coach has been around for a while" then I don't agree.
As for delivering the course at clubs, that is exactly what has been happening here in Welly. The course that 2ndBest and I went on the other night was run at (and pretty much for) Stop Out, but was still open to others like us. I think that is them being practical.
As for the cost, it is certainly reasonable to charge a small amount for the course. I don't think there is a single club in Wellington that I can think of that would not cover that small cost for any of its coaches that wanted to attend the course. Your club should surely do the same? That takes the cost component out of it from the individual coach's perspective.
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I don't mean practical in that sense; the overseas example actually applied to me, I had coached internationally, had the diploma, fancied myself as being the best around and had similar thoughts to an earlier poster had here about telling them to shove it, but my passion for the game and coaching made me bite the bullet and do their course. I personally didn't learn a great deal but considered it a worthwhile exercise and it actually renergised me a bit. If the same situation arose again - choose no course and no coaching or course and coaching - easy choice because i enjoy coaching too much to give it all up for the sake of pride.
As for funding, yeah we pay for any coaching courses at our club too so it is no cost to the coaches. We've sorted our act out a little and have been getting the cash from grants rather than club fees. My moan is that we pay a lot of money to Central Football [here we go again!!!!] and don't get a great deal back without having to dip into our pockets. The free Small Whites Courses were a good initiative but there should be more of it.
Sounds like Capital Football have it sussed, in HB we have suffered a bit because Jonathan Gould has shot through to Perth and his replacement [Leon Birnie] has just started. The Whole of Football Plan was started [and I don't know how it is going] in 4 of our strongest clubs and the rest of us left for next year and beyond. To tell the truth that is just resulting in the big clubs getting bigger while we smaller ones are left to go it alone [hence our move to hire a coaching coordinator to do what CF should be doing in some way] or struggle, depending on our level of commitment. Rant over.
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And not forgetting everyone, the Intro to Coaching course (that provides info on the WOFP) is free! the other courses are really reasonable and some of the coaches at the club I am with who have 40 plus years experience have been and they too have said they were really impressed with the way the courses were run pertaining to the NZF initiative. CF are actually coming into clubs to run sessions, all you have to do is ask! they have run 5 courses at our club already.
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Is CF Capital Football or Central Football?
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Sorry, it's Capital Football for us. but I guess Central Football for you! 
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Against my better judgement. I attended the course at capital football last night, Paul Greig who ran the course did a pretty good job, the reason I attended, is that I have committed to my team next year, despite the crap from this site about ulterior motives, I decided to eat humble pie and attend.
What did I learn? just a little, did it cover the cost that my Club had to pay? No, did it even cover after 4 hours anything about Child Protection which is close to my heart? no, this was just a process that Capital Football/ NZF have to go through to gain further funding to justify there existence.
What did I learn? just a little, did it cover the cost that my Club had to pay? No, did it even cover after 4 hours anything about Child Protection which is close to my heart? no, this was just a process that Capital Football/ NZF have to go through to gain further funding to justify there existence.
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If you want to learn about child protection Lucious, how about attending a refereeing course to learn the laws and learn how to deal with misconduct? The coaching courses run by CF for NZF are about coaching, not child protection :-)
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If you want to learn about child protection Lucious, how about attending a refereeing course to learn the laws and learn how to deal with misconduct? The coaching courses run by CF for NZF are about coaching, not child protection :-)
Actually to fair to Lucious I believe he is talking about how you interact with children, whats appropriate, inappropriate etc. as opposed ot the laws of the game. it is something that should (needs) be included in a Junior coaching course, as should a basic background police check.
Teza2011-08-21 08:43:22
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