But every other first division game went ahead.
Mainland Premier League (Part 1)
But every other first division game went ahead.
But every other first division game went ahead.
Well that makes it even more strange then doesn't it?
> display would help all clubs bar takings.
I have no problem with Keith's passion for the game either. The fact you think it's the only thing worth turning up to a game for says more about the quality of football???
Iain Glover's certainly regarded as one of the better referee assessors and he is helping to cultivate a new generation of referees coming up through the ranks. Give it time, be supportive. I know many of the referees and they are extremely passionate about the game and don't like making a single mistake. A referee typically makes 1500 judgements in a single game compared to a striker's 10-20 shots at goal and get a far, far higher proportion of decisions right.
It's interesting seeing the fans' perspective on refereeing. Great to see some supportive. Disappointing that there are very few constructive comments about how to improve the standard or recruit more referees. Certainly the attitudes of the fans in such a small town are going to inhibit recruitment.
I am a referee and I will probably get my arse kicked for posting on here. But them's the breaks.
Do refs get paid?
If this is not addressed why would anyone want to be a ref?
And despite Mainland's better late than never effort last week, I had to endure idiot parents/supporters in a Junior Game on Saturday. If kids have no respect for the ref at 11/12 years of age when will they learn it? And if their parents think their sideline behavior is acceptable how can we expect their lil' darlings to not copy?
Maybe we need some heavy sanctions to finally get some people to pull their heads in.
Can't agree with this:the majority of people go to watch football,not coaches make dicks of themselves...KB is merely an unnecessary sideshow...
Sorry to interupt with a random question. Apparently the Asia Pacific Football Academy lads play games against men down there in Chch. Does anyone know whether they have a team entered in one of the Mainland leagues or are they just arranging friendlies?
Sorry to interupt with a random question. Apparently the Asia Pacific Football Academy lads play games against men down there in Chch. Does anyone know whether they have a team entered in one of the Mainland leagues or are they just arranging friendlies?
Sorry to interupt with a random question. Apparently the Asia Pacific Football Academy lads play games against men down there in Chch. Does anyone know whether they have a team entered in one of the Mainland leagues or are they just arranging friendlies?
Some of them play for Selwyn in the developement league (PDL). Think they had at least 5 or 6 in the Selwyn squad when they played Western, they lost 5 nil and there was only one i would say was good enough but they were playing against slightly older players. I would say there are better players in the canterbury academy team that play in that league.
Bring it on more the better, if whiskey nose does it why shouldn't we in NZ get stuck in to crap officiating.
Make the powers that take our fees think about improving the off game training. How about pay the better [do we have any these days? bring back Iain Glover] refs more for their time.
Several thousand turning up at games to watch a Keith display would help all clubs bar takings.
Bugger that most of the MPL teams don't have a bar at their venues.
Will have to make do with Canterbury United home game bar now.
LOL - I'll let the old man that he is still thought highly of.
Unfortunately he's pretty borked, so as Mithrandir said, he is now just able to do assessing. Glad to see he is doing well. I'll have to make sure to tell him that when I'm down, and then pinch his beer
1) I bloody love refs. I don't hassle them, I do appeal, and generally they are good natured and do a good job.
2) So some of the footballing elite and rich (as it must cost a packet to do it) go to this Uni and never play a real game. I heard that Mainland also have a girls team who never play a competitive game either. Just train and play friendlies. Oh, and then there's the Mainland academy team....
Sorry to interupt with a random question.� Apparently the Asia Pacific Football Academy lads play games against men down there in Chch.� Does anyone know whether they have a team entered in one of the Mainland leagues or are they just arranging friendlies?
Yeah they played a couple of them against tech in pdl on the weekend. Couple tidy players in there. I rate a few of them.
Do refs get paid?
Sure do.
Sorry to interupt with a random question.� Apparently the Asia Pacific Football Academy lads play games against men down there in Chch.� Does anyone know whether they have a team entered in one of the Mainland leagues or are they just arranging friendlies?
Yea? They beat Tech reserves at the weekend. Not that Selwyn should be playing in the PDL at all, they should have been in Div 1 for goodness sake.
Yea? They beat Tech reserves at the weekend. Not that Selwyn should be playing in the PDL at all, they should have been in Div 1 for goodness sake.
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Not sure why you feel I should be compelled to give an explanation (mind you with several thousand posts up I wouldn't bother trolling through them to check on the topic either ) but any way here goes -
Hoary old chestnut. I believe that the "PDL" league should revert to being the reserve league of the MPL clubs. The majority of clubs in the PDL have no idea or commitment to player development anyway so to call it that is a complete misnomer imho. Ronaldoknow2011-07-11 22:18:03
Tristan Nicol, Sam Miles spring to mind. There would be several others (Tane Gent) well worth a look given Mainland's performance in the national Youth League over the past couple of years. Bombay Hills mentality, smacks of players in and around Dorkland where it is easier to gather for training/matches as a group being one of the criteria for selection. Nelson would certainly have some other good potential candidates as well.
Not sure why you feel I should be compelled to give an explanation (mind you with several thousand posts up I wouldn't bother trolling through them to check on the topic either ) but any way here goes -
Hoary old chestnut. I believe that the "PDL" league should revert to being the reserve league of the MPL clubs. The majority of clubs in the PDL have no idea or commitment to player development anyway so to call it that is a complete misnomer imho.
That's all well and good but a clubs first team should actually be in the MPL or Division 1, like Mid Cant, Waimak, Parklands etc. They would develop just as well if not even quicker in those leagues.
Exactly. Player development my arse. A bye in a player development league? Since when was a bye good for a players development? Oxymoronic farce. Ronaldoknow2011-07-11 22:46:54
Tristan Nicol, Sam Miles spring to mind. There would be several others (Tane Gent) well worth a look given Mainland's performance in the national Youth League over the past couple of years. Bombay Hills mentality, smacks of players in and around Dorkland where it is easier to gather for training/matches as a group being one of the criteria for selection. Nelson would certainly have some other good potential candidates as well.[/QUOTE]
Golden Boot in the NYL not so long ago, you'd have to ask what more he needs to do to get a call up to the age group teams.
That's all well and good but a clubs first team should actually be in the MPL or Division 1, like Mid Cant, Waimak, Parklands etc. They would develop just as well if not even quicker in those leagues.
Same story with pap redwood and probably one or 2 others. If you dont have a team in Div 1 or MPL why should you be allowed in PDL?
gings2011-07-11 23:24:38
They had 5 players in the NZ U17 World Cup team.� More than any other "club".� Would those players have made it anyway?� I dunno.� But it must be good for their development that players of that quality are training together constantly.�
They can't get competitive games as they aren't a club. All hell would break lose if Mainland allowed them to enter local leagues. Their are criteria around establishing new clubs and they fall well short. They would have been better to fund the programme through the Selwyn/Rolleston club setup, but that doesn't have the same appeal does it?
it was hardly a 'friendly'. Some of the football was quite good but disappointing to see such gamesmanship, diving, whinging, badgering ref/linesman from supposedly the cream of NZ and the South Pacific.
well done Stevel for getting a player into APFA. I'm pretty sure in the first 2 intakes(seasons) the total number of scholarships for local players was 1. I hope the player enjoys it and finds it a positive experience. I guess I am also interested in what factors go into making the decsion to go to the APFA as opposed to working in 'his team'.
yes RK a lot of the Whole of Football Plan looks far better than anything an Academy could offer. It certainly requires a 'new' mindset at the beginner grades but looking at what trials I have seen of it so far it looks like high involvement and fun.
BTW Bara clinic tonight @ Linfield. Should be good
You make some very good points SE. Even when Coastal had their Sporting Futures academy up and running 2 years ago (before Mainland hijacked it by poaching Ed Baranowski) most of the players came from out of our area, something I am not comfortable with. Clubs should be based around a geographical area, not one or 2 teams and take total responsibility for promoting and running the game in [bold]their[/bold] area with the support of the Federation and NZ Football. They should not be in competition with their own federation! That is why I am such a supporter of the WOF plan, it is not someone coming in saying you don't know jack sh*t, we'll take over. If the Federations concentrated there energies in supporting clubs to become strong in the administration and development of player focused pathways within their area we would all benefit. It's like mining for gold, you've got to turn over the ground on as large an area as you can manage as often as you can to get the nuggets. Many club and non club based academies only attract players already good at the game and from out of their area. At the moment we miss so many nuggets through cost and these poor club structures. If clubs set up their own academies (and they should as part of their player development programme) that is great, but it must be part of a pathway for people in their area, not the be all and end all of the players development. Any academy in NZ Football should be treated as a stepping stone to exporting players into a semi pro or pro environment, which is what Sporting Futures will look to do when it is re-established later this year. I see no point in developing players merely for the purpose in playing for our mens or womens senior teams in the local Mainland league. If we get the use of them for a couple of years on the way through that would be good but if we end up with all of them staying here over the course of the next 4 - 5 years then as a club we have actually failed in what we have set out to do, even if it means we win a league title or 2 in the mean time. When someone down the road signs up little Johnny next year in our First Kicks programme, he is not dreaming of him ending up in our men's first team is he? As clubs we need to try and help him achieve his dream for little Johnny.
I agree.� There are a proliferation of academies here in Welington filling a gap that a combination of club/CF isn't.� They generally cost a bomb, and those parents wouldn't be paying if the players were getting all that�they needed from their junior clubs/schools/CF.
You'll always get a certain number that pay over the odds to get the perceived "best" for their child. We see it here in our own area. Many of our members live in the poorest parts of town (Bromley, Linwood, Aranui, Wainoni) while some live in relatively affluent areas such as South Shore where the household income would easily be 2 to 3 times that of the others. While they may be members of the same football club the difference is seen in the high schools they attend - many bus out of the area to Boys High, Shirley boys, Girls High etc rather than attend the local schools Aranui High, Linwood College or Mairehau high. Interestingly while many clubs lost players due to the earthquake Coastal actually maintained numbers due to an influx of members from other areas because of the perceived quality of the player development programmes!
Back in the dim, distant past, I played for both Johnson Villa and Onslow JFCs (in different seasons). Each club had a progression to North Wellington seniors (the reason for 2 separate junior clubs was that the boundary between Wgtn JFA and Mana JFA passed through the middle of North Wgtn's player catchment area). Has Onslow since seceded from North Wellington?
Back in the dim, distant past, I played for both Johnson Villa and Onslow JFCs (in different seasons). Each club had a progression to North Wellington seniors (the reason for 2 separate junior clubs was that the boundary between Wgtn JFA and Mana JFA passed through the middle of North Wgtn's player catchment area). Has Onslow since seceded from North Wellington?
Don't mind us, we never stay on topic either.