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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
yes but the same rule still applies each team can only have 3 players dropped down. I think there is a rule that they cant drop down two many divisions how many I am not sure but you could drop 3 down to the 2nds, 3 down to your 3rds hence regraded and 3 to your 4ths hence regarded therefore technically having 9 first team players. Bit of a loop hole that a lot of teams exploit.
The interesting one is I thought Kaori 1st team had finished the season hence not allowing them to play anymore?
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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Both red cards were valid.
 
As for the game itself, thought Wharfies had more clear cut chances but Marist did have a few as well. It was never going to be high scoring in those conditions though.
 
As for the "bending" of the rules, Wharfies definitely aren't the first team to do that.
 
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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
kiwilad wrote:
yes but the same rule still applies each team can only have 3 players dropped down. I think there is a rule that they cant drop down two many divisions how many I am not sure but you could drop 3 down to the 2nds, 3 down to your 3rds hence regraded and 3 to your 4ths hence regarded therefore technically having 9 first team players. Bit of a loop hole that a lot of teams exploit.
The interesting one is I thought Kaori 1st team had finished the season hence not allowing them to play anymore?
 
Karori 1st team still have a game to play
 
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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Whilst most of the Premier teams have finished their games, I believe that Wharfies still need to play Wairarapa (possibly due to postponement for Wairarapa being in Chatham Cup matches?)... so, they're not technically finished for the season.

With the "bending" of the rules, this has been used by quite a few teams (I believe that it even happened to Wharfies this season).  It's one of those things where they've followed the letter of the law, but just not really the spirit of the law... But hey, if that's the way the rule is written, then why not use it to your own advantage?
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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
  and Marist will not have it easy at Wainui, with them fighting to aviod the automatic relegation spot.
yeah we have had 3 wins from our last 4 games i think. naenae, petone and then uni losing to diamonds. we just need a better result agasint marist then uni can get agasint naenae so probely a draw for us will do it. or if wafies wins cap 2 i think were safe aswell? without a playoff game.
our new coach has done wonders and our team full of 5players 18 and under are fighting to get the club back to its glory days
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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Yeah the whole relegation issue is complicated by the Wharfies dream team doing well in Capital 2 and the possibility of Petone being promoted from Capital Premier which (I think) Means there are less relegation spots?  Although the new mooted 8 team league would once again change everything...

Normo's coming home

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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

I feel sorry for the Karori 2nd team goal keeper getting the boot, replaced by a snotts goal keeper. haha

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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Does anyone know when the play off match vs Upper Hutt is going to be held? and if its going to be at 2 or 230?
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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
I could understand Marists frustration, last weekend I end up marking Peter Halstead, this weekend he's back in Central League and still banging em in, apparently Cap 1 isn't enough of a challenge for him!!! ;)
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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Does anyone know what the rule is regarding dropping players down from Prem teams? Is it that it can't be done when the Prem team has played their last game, or can't be done when the Prem league is finished?

Founder

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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
monkeyboy wrote:
I could understand Marists frustration, last weekend I end up marking Peter Halstead, this weekend he's back in Central League and still banging em in, apparently Cap 1 isn't enough of a challenge for him!!! ;)
 
he was on the bench for Miramar firsts in the weekend.

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Reference things I wanna watch, reference girls I wanna bite
Now I'm firefly like a burning kite
And yousa fake fuck like a fleshlight

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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Id say the playoff would be a 2.30. Marist vs Upper Hutt. Unless Miramar lose and Marist win their last game.
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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
They might make it a 2pm kickoff in case they need extra time and pens, although it's starting to get lighter at night now...
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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
True never thought about that. I wonder what ground the playof will be at?
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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Happy Valley #2, its a beauty.
Wainui are on fire, 9 points from last 3 games i believe. I saw them play Uni in the weekend, and they deserved all 3 pts. They were hungrier than the Uni players and put 3 away in the first half, and defended like stallions the whole second half. Full credit to them.
University will have to be a lot more determined against naenae this week if they want to stay up.
 
 
 
 
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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Feverish wrote:
Does anyone know what the rule is regarding dropping players down from Prem teams? Is it that it can't be done when the Prem team has played their last game, or can't be done when the Prem league is finished?
 
"A �player� is defined as a person who actually takes the field in the current season. If a Club has a team in a higher competition, the following shall apply:

a) once a player has played for a Club�s lower graded team, he is deemed to be a member of that team until such time that he returns to the higher graded team

b) no more than three Central or Premier League players can be regraded down into any local league team for any one game. When the relevant Central or Premier League is completed, no further players can be regraded from such

Central or Premier League teams.

c) for Capital 1 division and below, no more than three players can be regraded down into any one team for any one game

d) when a team has completed its� season, and is involved in a playoff, no further players can be regraded to that team"

 
Point B does not apply as Kaori 1st still have a catch up game vs the rapa.  As to point A, Kaori would not have been able to drop four players down unless one of those players had played his most recent minute (i.e. the weekend before that particular game) of footy for the 2nd (well that my understanding).
 
Or if the 12:30 game was the 3rd teams game and the 2:30 game was the 2nd teams game then it is all legit.  as they would be dropping 3 to the 2nd and 1 to the 3rds.  which would regrade the  keeper as a third team player before playing him in the 2nd team game
2ndBest2007-08-13 22:31:44
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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Feverish wrote:
The Karori first team keeper isn't smart enough to think of that - they must have a smart coach..
 
Isnt the coash his dad?  maybe smarts skipped a generation
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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Toe Knee wrote:
Happy Valley #2, its a beauty.
Wainui are on fire, 9 points from last 3 games i believe. I saw them play Uni in the weekend, and they deserved all 3 pts. They were hungrier than the Uni players and put 3 away in the first half, and defended like stallions the whole second half. Full credit to them.
University will have to be a lot more determined against naenae this week if they want to stay up.
played in the game and yes we did get of to an unbleavile start and defended extreamely well 2nds half. i was the sub left mid for the 2nd half who made thouse 2giant tackles. rember? btw you a wainui boy or uni?
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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Also saw the Uni vs Wainui game. Yes they did get off to a flyer i believe all three of the goals came from corners two poorly cleared. Maybe Uni could of got a result as we were on attack basically the whole 2nd half but couldnt seem to put it in the back of the net.

steelo2007-08-13 23:12:29
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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
i think i know you toe knee. i think you were the right back that was marking me?. you uni boys play some great football aye and streatch teams well and do not desearve to be that low in the table. our hole team is amazed you guys arent a mid table team with the way you knock it round. your center back and craig moore look alike wasnet as dominate as last time we played you and if it means anything to you i would rather see waterside go down as i think your a better team riise2007-08-13 23:31:03
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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

I feel sorry for the Karori 2nd team goal keeper getting the boot, replaced by a snotts goal keeper. haha

 
haha don't feel sorry for me, i was quite happy sitting behind the wind block/bags the sub bench managed to make after we returned from the local dairy with an excessive amount of pies.... I struggle kicking the ball as it is without having to deal with a 90 Kmh  headwind!!
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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Hey 2ndBest
 
If what you say is true then that means clubs are allow to drop most of the 1st team players and then promote them again. for example, drop 3 to 2nds, drop another 3 to the 3rds and drop 2 to the 4th and then promote them again that is fine then right. That is not aginst the capital soccer rule, am i correct.
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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

That�s my interpretation of it.  Maybe there is a lawyer out there to clarify.  Maybe capital soccer are playing on the fact they first teams are unlikely to drop outfield players down as they would have to play two games a day.  It�s alright for keepers cos we do diddly squat.  I think they may have changed the rule sometime in the last two year, as I pretty sure the rule use to say that a player had to play two consecutive games to be regraded (i.e. a first team player getting dropped for two weeks and not playing a minute for the first team during those two weeks).

2ndBest2007-08-14 09:34:50
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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Correct 2nd Best,- i am surprize Wharfies did not drop their complete 1st team as thier second team is  " not very good " to be kind. If you have enough teams,say 3 playing at 12.30 , drop 3 to each, play 5 minutes, sub them off and they are avaliabe to be promoted back to your 2nd team, plus the 3 your can drop down [12 in total] to play the same day, Great rules !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! but well done to any club that plays by the RULES, thats all you can do, yeah right.
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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

well that's a stupid rule. Then why not just don't have the rule and just let the first team play for the 2nd, whenever they are near relegation.

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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
I AGREE, Capital Soccer need to change this, but I bet they do nothing , as the the clubs voted for this in 2005 so I am told.
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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
this sounds like a lot of fuss over a goal keeper. Their regular second team keeper has been injured all season.
Two players who played who were classed as 'first' team players have played seconds all year, and due to suspensions got on for a few minutes for the firsts the week before.
 
My original question was - is the Prem league "finished" when your team finishes, or the last game is played?

Founder

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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
So it all comes down to the clubs. That means if clubs that have good relationship with capital soccer is easier for them to change the rule to their advantage. That suxs then.
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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Feverish its not about the keeper playing for them its about the rule, if you allow clubs that do that then others will follow and what is the point in having those rules.
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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Feverish wrote:
My original question was - is the Prem league "finished" when your team finishes, or the last game is played?
 
My understanding is that it's over when the last game is played...
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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Feverish wrote:
 
My original question was - is the Prem league "finished" when your team finishes, or the last game is played?


when a team has completed its� season, and is involved in a playoff, no further players can be regraded to that team"

the words "its' season" implies to me that a team's season is over when it has played its last league game, ie all teams in capital prem have finished their seasons, except for karori, wairarapa and UH
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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Hanbanan wrote:
Feverish wrote:
My original question was - is the Prem league "finished" when your team finishes, or the last game is played?
 
My understanding is that it's over when the last game is played...
 
Again from capital soccer..."When the relevant Central or Premier League is completed, no further players can be regraded from such

Central or Premier League teams".

 

Sounds like it means when the league has finished.

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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Naky wrote:
So it all comes down to the clubs. That means if clubs that have good relationship with capital soccer is easier for them to change the rule to their advantage. That suxs then.
 
How does it have anything to do with the clubs relationship with Capital Soccer?  The rules are the same for every team in every league?

Normo's coming home

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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
wulfsteam wrote:
Feverish wrote:
 
My original question was - is the Prem league "finished" when your team finishes, or the last game is played?


when a team has completed its� season, and is involved in a playoff, no further players can be regraded to that team"

the words "its' season" implies to me that a team's season is over when it has played its last league game, ie all teams in capital prem have finished their seasons, except for karori, wairarapa and UH
 
This clause is only relevant if the 2nds had finished their grade AND were in a playoff (which is not the case).  It would stop first teamers being dropped to win the playoff. 
2ndBest2007-08-14 12:12:07
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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
true, re read that rule and i agree with your comment 2ndBest wulfsteam2007-08-14 14:15:01
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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
technically capital premier has not finished. . so neither of these arguments matter when it comes to dropping players down because wharfies or the premier league have "technically" finished.
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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
They might make it a 2pm kickoff in case they need extra time and pens, although it's starting to get lighter at night now...
 
 
The word we got at training tonight was that the play off is at Bell park. Us (UH) v one of you"s.
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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Miramar 4-1 North Wellington, league winners thanks very much, combined goals of miramar 1sts and 2nds 2day make a perfect ten
 
U cant stop the mar
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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
we wainui lost out last chance to stay up today with marist going up 1-0 eairly on after a hand ball goal (appartently) then we pulled it back 1-1 then marist pulled out a stunner of a goal then ran away to win 4-1. our changes dident realy work which included changing our striker which was hard for the new guy to try slot in. i dident go the best sitting on the bench all game and watch 2nd team players go on infront of me. wish i had 2mins to try score a ripper and even it up but marist realy played awsome and run away very late in the game riise2007-08-18 19:48:09
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